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TryAgain121 12-26-2010 09:19 PM

About the WAIS-IV
 
I suppose it seems like I am ruminating over this concept, but does the WAIS-IV IQ clinical test battery require a significant amount of education?, as I fear my prior home schooling and isolated environment has prevented me from being present in a rich educational environment. I was told I exceeded the educational requirements, although I disagreed with that notion. So does anyone who has taken this test have any insights?

I suppose I'm posting this here because the WAIS can be an ADD diagnostic tool.

janewhite1 12-26-2010 10:50 PM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
Some of the tests may rely on educational background or knowledge, including vocabulary tests. Most, however, require only basic reading writing and arithmetic skills. Some, such as arranging blocks, require no education at all.

TryAgain121 12-26-2010 11:33 PM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
Yeah, that's about what I was thinking. I think the arithmetic requirements have been reigned in with the newer version, as well. Although, I saw a sample question from the WAIS and apparently some algerbra was involved, I wasn't sure if that was an accurate representation or not.

janewhite1 12-27-2010 12:00 AM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
When I took the WISC, I remember most of the questions were ability, and very few were knowledge.

TryAgain121 12-27-2010 12:22 AM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
Right, but since that is for children, I don't know if that is an accurate representation of the adult version. But, there is the information, similarities, and comprehension tests, but those might simply call for base knowledge requirements.

If I get a score of 90 though, I will quite incensed.

Free in Freepor 12-29-2010 09:30 PM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
The WAIS-IV was normed on adults from a wide range of backgrounds. Efforts are made to include persons from education levels (ranging from elementary drop outs to college graduates) in proportion with the US Census.

A score of 90 is within the limits of the average range.

TryAgain121 12-30-2010 01:02 AM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
[QUOTE=Free in Freepor;4650148]The WAIS-IV was normed on adults from a wide range of backgrounds. Efforts are made to include persons from education levels (ranging from elementary drop outs to college graduates) in proportion with the US Census.

A score of 90 is within the limits of the average range.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I know it is average, but that is not a desirable score. Can education drastically effect the scoring? After reviewing the subtests, it seems so.

Free in Freepor 12-30-2010 08:20 AM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
Educated persons tend to have better developed vocabularies and critical thinking skills.

janewhite1 12-30-2010 08:53 AM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
ToFree:

Yes, I agree. But reading skills, vocabulary, basic arithmetic and thinking skills are really the only "School" things that the test measures. It doesn't really measure knowledge. And, just from TryAgain's posts, his verbal skills are quite on par with most formally educated adults.

Can you develop those thinking skills? Definitely. After all, average scores on many IQ measures have gone up over the past century. Can you develop them outside of school, or in less formal educational settings? Definitely. Once you learn to read, reading and writing that you do on your own will further strengthen your abilities. And all kinds of logic puzzles and games will strengthen other parts of your brain.

One reason vocabulary is included is to help estimate brain damage from trauma or illness. Unless the injury has specifically affected the language center, vocabulary should remain intact, giving a rough estimate of a person's brainpower Before.

Don't sweat the test too much. It's not an admission test to life.

Free in Freepor 12-30-2010 08:58 AM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
[QUOTE=janewhite1;4650388]ToFree:

Yes, I agree. But reading skills, vocabulary, basic arithmetic and thinking skills are really the only "School" things that the test measures. It doesn't really measure knowledge. And, just from TryAgain's posts, his verbal skills are quite on par with most formally educated adults.

Can you develop those thinking skills? Definitely. After all, average scores on many IQ measures have gone up over the past century. Can you develop them outside of school, or in less formal educational settings? Definitely. Once you learn to read, reading and writing that you do on your own will further strengthen your abilities. And all kinds of logic puzzles and games will strengthen other parts of your brain.

One reason vocabulary is included is to help estimate brain damage from trauma or illness. Unless the injury has specifically affected the language center, vocabulary should remain intact, giving a rough estimate of a person's brainpower Before.

Don't sweat the test too much. It's not an admission test to life.[/QUOTE]

The WAIS IV does not test reading. The arithmetic is really more of a memory/concentration test than math ability per se. The oral math is basic arithmetic, no algebra or higher math.

addprogrammer 12-30-2010 12:02 PM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
[QUOTE=janewhite1;4650388]ToFree:

Yes, I agree. But reading skills, vocabulary, basic arithmetic and thinking skills are really the only "School" things that the test measures. It doesn't really measure knowledge. And, just from TryAgain's posts, his verbal skills are quite on par with most formally educated adults.

Can you develop those thinking skills? Definitely. After all, average scores on many IQ measures have gone up over the past century. Can you develop them outside of school, or in less formal educational settings? Definitely. Once you learn to read, reading and writing that you do on your own will further strengthen your abilities. And all kinds of logic puzzles and games will strengthen other parts of your brain.

One reason vocabulary is included is to help estimate brain damage from trauma or illness. Unless the injury has specifically affected the language center, vocabulary should remain intact, giving a rough estimate of a person's brainpower Before.

Don't sweat the test too much. It's not an admission test to life.[/QUOTE]

Jane,

You are the fourth source of the "ADHD Doctorate" degree resource I want and we all need. You should be hired to formally write your stuff into a course co-authored by neurologists, psychiatrists and psychologists possessing the prerequisite of your level of understanding and communication skills.

Everything you write is dead-on target. You blow the problem to hell with no collateral damage at all.

Get going, girl, on the job you were born to do.

Bob

TryAgain121 12-30-2010 01:21 PM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
[QUOTE=janewhite1;4650388]ToFree:

Yes, I agree. But reading skills, vocabulary, basic arithmetic and thinking skills are really the only "School" things that the test measures. It doesn't really measure knowledge. And, just from TryAgain's posts, his verbal skills are quite on par with most formally educated adults.

Can you develop those thinking skills? Definitely. After all, average scores on many IQ measures have gone up over the past century. Can you develop them outside of school, or in less formal educational settings? Definitely. Once you learn to read, reading and writing that you do on your own will further strengthen your abilities. And all kinds of logic puzzles and games will strengthen other parts of your brain.

One reason vocabulary is included is to help estimate brain damage from trauma or illness. Unless the injury has specifically affected the language center, vocabulary should remain intact, giving a rough estimate of a person's brainpower Before.

Don't sweat the test too much. It's not an admission test to life.[/QUOTE]

Information subtest: Degree of general information acquired from culture (e.g. Who is the president of Russia?). I understand that this is informal osmosis, and not formal education, but to score well on this subtest one must not be in an isolated environment.

Anyway, I've been told my education level exceeds the requirements, as does my vocabulary by a qualified psychologist. "Most people don't use your vocabulary" I have been informed, however I barely use whatever advanced verbal skills I actually have attained. Quick question, by "thinking skills" are you referring to concepts such as inductive reasoning? And, even if the test does require extensive reading, I am aptly prepared, as I score extremely high on any verbal test, though not perfect but that could be because I second guess my original analysis.

But, I have made an appointment with a professional to discuss in-depth this IQ test battery.

TryAgain121 12-30-2010 10:58 PM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
I have been informed of something known as the WASI, or the Wechsler Abbreviated Scale of Intelligence, which is a short, four-subtest verion of the WAIS III battery which can be taken in approximately 30 minutes, I may opt for this.

Free in Freepor 12-31-2010 06:04 PM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
The WASI consists of block design, matrix reasoning, similarities, and vocabulary.
It's painless.

Those are 4 of the most reliable subtests from the WAIS IV, with the heaviest "g factor loading".

TryAgain121 12-31-2010 11:47 PM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
[QUOTE=Free in Freepor;4651376]The WASI consists of block design, matrix reasoning, similarities, and vocabulary.
It's painless.

Those are 4 of the most reliable subtests from the WAIS IV, with the heaviest "g factor loading".[/QUOTE]


Yep, your statements are consistent with what I've read prior. I also read that your performance on the block design tests is almost completely accurate when determining future performance in higher level math. I believe it is also one of the subtests susceptible to anxiety. Also, there are different "gs" Gf is general fluid intelligence, and Gc is General Crystallized(sp) intelligence, vocabulary would test Gc while matrix reasoning would be more easily manipulated by someone with a high Gf, as is block design. I think I will most likely request this test, as it has nearly the same amount of accuracy in a mere fraction of the time.


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