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TryAgain121 12-26-2010 09:19 PM

About the WAIS-IV
 
I suppose it seems like I am ruminating over this concept, but does the WAIS-IV IQ clinical test battery require a significant amount of education?, as I fear my prior home schooling and isolated environment has prevented me from being present in a rich educational environment. I was told I exceeded the educational requirements, although I disagreed with that notion. So does anyone who has taken this test have any insights?

I suppose I'm posting this here because the WAIS can be an ADD diagnostic tool.

janewhite1 12-26-2010 10:50 PM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
Some of the tests may rely on educational background or knowledge, including vocabulary tests. Most, however, require only basic reading writing and arithmetic skills. Some, such as arranging blocks, require no education at all.

TryAgain121 12-26-2010 11:33 PM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
Yeah, that's about what I was thinking. I think the arithmetic requirements have been reigned in with the newer version, as well. Although, I saw a sample question from the WAIS and apparently some algerbra was involved, I wasn't sure if that was an accurate representation or not.

janewhite1 12-27-2010 12:00 AM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
When I took the WISC, I remember most of the questions were ability, and very few were knowledge.

TryAgain121 12-27-2010 12:22 AM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
Right, but since that is for children, I don't know if that is an accurate representation of the adult version. But, there is the information, similarities, and comprehension tests, but those might simply call for base knowledge requirements.

If I get a score of 90 though, I will quite incensed.

Free in Freepor 12-29-2010 09:30 PM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
The WAIS-IV was normed on adults from a wide range of backgrounds. Efforts are made to include persons from education levels (ranging from elementary drop outs to college graduates) in proportion with the US Census.

A score of 90 is within the limits of the average range.

TryAgain121 12-30-2010 01:02 AM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
[QUOTE=Free in Freepor;4650148]The WAIS-IV was normed on adults from a wide range of backgrounds. Efforts are made to include persons from education levels (ranging from elementary drop outs to college graduates) in proportion with the US Census.

A score of 90 is within the limits of the average range.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I know it is average, but that is not a desirable score. Can education drastically effect the scoring? After reviewing the subtests, it seems so.

Free in Freepor 12-30-2010 08:20 AM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
Educated persons tend to have better developed vocabularies and critical thinking skills.

janewhite1 12-30-2010 08:53 AM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
ToFree:

Yes, I agree. But reading skills, vocabulary, basic arithmetic and thinking skills are really the only "School" things that the test measures. It doesn't really measure knowledge. And, just from TryAgain's posts, his verbal skills are quite on par with most formally educated adults.

Can you develop those thinking skills? Definitely. After all, average scores on many IQ measures have gone up over the past century. Can you develop them outside of school, or in less formal educational settings? Definitely. Once you learn to read, reading and writing that you do on your own will further strengthen your abilities. And all kinds of logic puzzles and games will strengthen other parts of your brain.

One reason vocabulary is included is to help estimate brain damage from trauma or illness. Unless the injury has specifically affected the language center, vocabulary should remain intact, giving a rough estimate of a person's brainpower Before.

Don't sweat the test too much. It's not an admission test to life.

Free in Freepor 12-30-2010 08:58 AM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
[QUOTE=janewhite1;4650388]ToFree:

Yes, I agree. But reading skills, vocabulary, basic arithmetic and thinking skills are really the only "School" things that the test measures. It doesn't really measure knowledge. And, just from TryAgain's posts, his verbal skills are quite on par with most formally educated adults.

Can you develop those thinking skills? Definitely. After all, average scores on many IQ measures have gone up over the past century. Can you develop them outside of school, or in less formal educational settings? Definitely. Once you learn to read, reading and writing that you do on your own will further strengthen your abilities. And all kinds of logic puzzles and games will strengthen other parts of your brain.

One reason vocabulary is included is to help estimate brain damage from trauma or illness. Unless the injury has specifically affected the language center, vocabulary should remain intact, giving a rough estimate of a person's brainpower Before.

Don't sweat the test too much. It's not an admission test to life.[/QUOTE]

The WAIS IV does not test reading. The arithmetic is really more of a memory/concentration test than math ability per se. The oral math is basic arithmetic, no algebra or higher math.

addprogrammer 12-30-2010 12:02 PM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
[QUOTE=janewhite1;4650388]ToFree:

Yes, I agree. But reading skills, vocabulary, basic arithmetic and thinking skills are really the only "School" things that the test measures. It doesn't really measure knowledge. And, just from TryAgain's posts, his verbal skills are quite on par with most formally educated adults.

Can you develop those thinking skills? Definitely. After all, average scores on many IQ measures have gone up over the past century. Can you develop them outside of school, or in less formal educational settings? Definitely. Once you learn to read, reading and writing that you do on your own will further strengthen your abilities. And all kinds of logic puzzles and games will strengthen other parts of your brain.

One reason vocabulary is included is to help estimate brain damage from trauma or illness. Unless the injury has specifically affected the language center, vocabulary should remain intact, giving a rough estimate of a person's brainpower Before.

Don't sweat the test too much. It's not an admission test to life.[/QUOTE]

Jane,

You are the fourth source of the "ADHD Doctorate" degree resource I want and we all need. You should be hired to formally write your stuff into a course co-authored by neurologists, psychiatrists and psychologists possessing the prerequisite of your level of understanding and communication skills.

Everything you write is dead-on target. You blow the problem to hell with no collateral damage at all.

Get going, girl, on the job you were born to do.

Bob

TryAgain121 12-30-2010 01:21 PM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
[QUOTE=janewhite1;4650388]ToFree:

Yes, I agree. But reading skills, vocabulary, basic arithmetic and thinking skills are really the only "School" things that the test measures. It doesn't really measure knowledge. And, just from TryAgain's posts, his verbal skills are quite on par with most formally educated adults.

Can you develop those thinking skills? Definitely. After all, average scores on many IQ measures have gone up over the past century. Can you develop them outside of school, or in less formal educational settings? Definitely. Once you learn to read, reading and writing that you do on your own will further strengthen your abilities. And all kinds of logic puzzles and games will strengthen other parts of your brain.

One reason vocabulary is included is to help estimate brain damage from trauma or illness. Unless the injury has specifically affected the language center, vocabulary should remain intact, giving a rough estimate of a person's brainpower Before.

Don't sweat the test too much. It's not an admission test to life.[/QUOTE]

Information subtest: Degree of general information acquired from culture (e.g. Who is the president of Russia?). I understand that this is informal osmosis, and not formal education, but to score well on this subtest one must not be in an isolated environment.

Anyway, I've been told my education level exceeds the requirements, as does my vocabulary by a qualified psychologist. "Most people don't use your vocabulary" I have been informed, however I barely use whatever advanced verbal skills I actually have attained. Quick question, by "thinking skills" are you referring to concepts such as inductive reasoning? And, even if the test does require extensive reading, I am aptly prepared, as I score extremely high on any verbal test, though not perfect but that could be because I second guess my original analysis.

But, I have made an appointment with a professional to discuss in-depth this IQ test battery.

TryAgain121 12-30-2010 10:58 PM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
I have been informed of something known as the WASI, or the Wechsler Abbreviated Scale of Intelligence, which is a short, four-subtest verion of the WAIS III battery which can be taken in approximately 30 minutes, I may opt for this.

Free in Freepor 12-31-2010 06:04 PM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
The WASI consists of block design, matrix reasoning, similarities, and vocabulary.
It's painless.

Those are 4 of the most reliable subtests from the WAIS IV, with the heaviest "g factor loading".

TryAgain121 12-31-2010 11:47 PM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
[QUOTE=Free in Freepor;4651376]The WASI consists of block design, matrix reasoning, similarities, and vocabulary.
It's painless.

Those are 4 of the most reliable subtests from the WAIS IV, with the heaviest "g factor loading".[/QUOTE]


Yep, your statements are consistent with what I've read prior. I also read that your performance on the block design tests is almost completely accurate when determining future performance in higher level math. I believe it is also one of the subtests susceptible to anxiety. Also, there are different "gs" Gf is general fluid intelligence, and Gc is General Crystallized(sp) intelligence, vocabulary would test Gc while matrix reasoning would be more easily manipulated by someone with a high Gf, as is block design. I think I will most likely request this test, as it has nearly the same amount of accuracy in a mere fraction of the time.

TryAgain121 01-11-2011 10:52 AM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
So, I have an appt at the 20th of this month, and I will discuss many things with the doc at that point, but mainly the IQ test and its diagnostic power in recognizing ADD. Eh, I'm getting the rather ominous feeling that something is deeply impaired with my intelligence (or, even, that there was not much there to begin with).

I need to know if those treated for ADD/Depression etc have the potential to score higher. I've scored 130, and 126 on a timed one, but also lower. Something tells me the lower ones are more accurate, for some reason.

janewhite1 01-11-2011 06:24 PM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
Trust me, there are many reasons that someone can underperform on a test, from not feeling well test day to anxiety to trouble speaking the language the test is given in. It's impossible to "overperform." The test is too long and complicated for you to do well by dumb luck. Therefore, if you got a good score (and didn't cheat in some way ;)) then you deserve it.

That "something" telling you that you don't is your insecurity.

When I was considering grad school, my biggest fear was that I didn't have the creativity and raw intellectual brainpower to succeed in higher mathematics. During the semester I applied, I had a remarkable teacher (in 2 different classes.) She taught me something, not in words, because those would never have convinced me, but indirectly.

"That's just imposter syndrome. Everyone worries they aren't good enough." That was what reading the biographies of mathematicians taught me. "You ARE creative and innovative in mathematics, at least in some areas." That was what her assignments showed me.

She's retired now, after forty years of teaching, so what she gave me I pay in the only direction a debt like that can ever be paid: Forward.

TryAgain121 01-12-2011 12:18 AM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
[QUOTE=janewhite1;4659344]Trust me, there are many reasons that someone can underperform on a test, from not feeling well test day to anxiety to trouble speaking the language the test is given in. It's impossible to "overperform." The test is too long and complicated for you to do well by dumb luck. Therefore, if you got a good score (and didn't cheat in some way ;)) then you deserve it.

That "something" telling you that you don't is your insecurity.

When I was considering grad school, my biggest fear was that I didn't have the creativity and raw intellectual brainpower to succeed in higher mathematics. During the semester I applied, I had a remarkable teacher (in 2 different classes.) She taught me something, not in words, because those would never have convinced me, but indirectly.

"That's just imposter syndrome. Everyone worries they aren't good enough." That was what reading the biographies of mathematicians taught me. "You ARE creative and innovative in mathematics, at least in some areas." That was what her assignments showed me.

She's retired now, after forty years of teaching, so what she gave me I pay in the only direction a debt like that can ever be paid: Forward.[/QUOTE]


I should've mentioned that these were ONLINE tests (my ADD is rearing its ugly head again) that I scored those numbers in. If the wide range of scores are to be believed, then I am an idiot and a genius at the same time :P

I know what you mean, though, if someone scores high on an official one, it is not on accident. We shall see soon enough, I suppose.

Also, yes good teachers are invaluable, pity I didn't have too many of them. But maybe I'll get lucky in college.

janewhite1 01-12-2011 06:45 AM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
Ah. Online IQ tests may or may not mean anything at all, and cannot possibly test as wide a range of cognitive skills as an official one, simply due to format. I have no information about which online IQ tests are useful or reliable.

TryAgain121 01-12-2011 07:33 PM

Re: About the WAIS-IV
 
Yep, one problem is that they may or may not be "normed" properly, and anyone can put an IQ test online, while unknowingly putting the "wrong" answer as the right one in some cases. There are many other problems with online testing, as you said due to format. Namely testing "performance IQ."

In the end, I might have to visit another pysch with experience in LDs, as someone can be smarter than they seem, or perform. I do plan to keep my current apt and squeeze all the information out of that session as possible.

Also, I've read that if there is a large discrepency in test scores there is a chance that someone can be both really intelligent but that LD prevents them from performing well on paper. My SAT scores seem to be indicative of that, exceptional English scores, but poor everything else (I attributed that to lack of attentional abilities).

But, I have not considered the Neuropsychopathology of the matter :P


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