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    Old 04-12-2004, 04:14 PM   #16
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    Re: suboxone withdrawal

    First off just because she said her doc was seeing 110 patients today doesn't mean they are all sub patients. My doctor is an addictionologist and sees several patients besides his 30 sub patients, so that could be what she means when she says he has to see several patients today. Secondly, the size of the city shouldn't matter if there are any sub doctors in her area. I live in a large city and still have to drive out of state for my suboxone. So I don't think the size of the city really matters. I don't think she was implying that it was anything like a meth clinic she was just upset and concerned because her doctor completely cut her off unfairly might I add.

     
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    Old 04-12-2004, 04:57 PM   #17
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    Well, what happened today? Did you get into see a doc and did you call your 'old' doc? I'm anxious to hear. How do you feel? Are you in full blown withdrawals or what? What are your symptoms? I'm asking in case I ever end up in this situation, or anyone else on the board. I'm praying very hard that you find someone to help you SOON. And as wrong as it is for me to say, I wouldn't blame you ONE BIT if you took 4 hydros a day to help you for about 4 or 5 days. Another girl did this (she took darvon) and it helped her a lot. Anyway, I know I'm not strong enough (depends on how sick you are and how sick I was) but I believe that is what I would do since you are so sick. I'm so sorry you are dealing w/this crap. Please keep us posted.

     
    Old 04-12-2004, 07:25 PM   #18
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    Hello everyone!! I feel like I've been hit by a bus. But I did go see my old doctor (the one who orginally put me on the sub) and I'm GOOD TO GO!! Thank the Lord above! I wasn't able to get in touch with the doctor who cut me off, but at this point, I'm just really glad to be back on the drug. I still can't believe how bad the w/d's from the sub are! The longest I've ever had to go without was about 2 days so I had never experienced it before. To any other sub users, when and if you decide to go off, do a VERY slow taper. It may actually take many months to get completely off of the meds, but after these last few days, it's definately something I don't plan on doing soon.
    I hate to say it but by this morning my w/d symtoms were darn near close to the hydro. I had the whole stomach problems, restless limbs, incredibly depressed, tired but couldn't sleep, etc. I'm glad it's over.

    TMB, I probably didn't make myself very clear earlier so I will try to explain now that I'm a little more level-headed. The doctor that I went to today actually runs a clinic in 5 towns. He travels all over and is in my town only 1 day a month. I imagine he tries to fit in a lot of people on that one day in each specific town. He sees patients for all types of psychiatric disorders. I'm not sure why he is so popular b/c his nurse told me today that he is still accepting new sub patients. As far as 50% of all new sub patients not returning for follow up visits, I had no idea the percentages were so high!!
    He actually had me listed as one of his current sub patients still, even though I haven't seen him in months.

    To anyone having a problem finding a sub doctor, try calling the DEA in your state. Apparently, there are HUNDREDS of doctors who are not registered on the sub website and after this experience, I found that the website is not updated that frequently. I live in Indiana, and all the doctor's listed in my area, are no longer prescribing sub for one reason or another. Can you believe one was actually in JAIL?? He has been for almost a year, yet he is still listed on the website.

    Anyway, again, thank you all again for your concern and prayers!! I have never been very good at opening up to people, but I'm so glad I did on here!
    You are all such kind and caring people and you really did help me feel so less alone. I did learn some very hard lessons these last few days: Doctor's are NOT always in it to help people and NEVER stop taking suboxone cold-turkey!
    Love and best wishes to you all,
    Mary Beth

     
    Old 04-13-2004, 02:49 AM   #19
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    Mary Beth,

    Glad you're feeling better. That was a tough week! Keep us posted and the best of luck.

    TMB

     
    Old 04-13-2004, 12:52 PM   #20
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    Dear MaryBeth, Hello, I also live in Indiana and I know exactly which doctor you are talking about that is in jail. He was on the new several times. I too couldn't believe that he was still on the list. My doctor that prescribes me suboxone is on the list, I don't know if I can give his name but it begins with an F and is in Indianapolis. He has been wonderful. I have been on it for about 1 year. I have always taken 1 2mg pill a day. He told me that he has only 1 other person on suboxone right now. I asked him why, after all he is an addictionologist, he said that almost all the people that call him don't seem to be serious about getting clean. He said they don't have jobs and just want to lay around on the couch all day and he doesn't feel like these people are serious about their recovery. I don't know what the future has in store for me, but I know that I don't want to detox anytime soon. I have been through the w/d and it is horrible! I go in to see him again in a few weeks and I am hoping we continue on as we have been. I have a steady job and have been clean for almost a year. Suboxone has changed my life. I feel better than I have in years. And oh by the way, my doctor has always called my refills in. When I go to see him he usually gives me a prescription with 2 refills and then calls them in after that. I hope I have been helpful. If you have anymore questions, feel free to ask....Stacy

     
    Old 04-13-2004, 10:41 PM   #21
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    Hi Stacy! I was so surprised to read that you are in Indiana too! I will most definately check our your Dr. "F"! He sounds wonderful... Tell me, though, does he give you 2mg b/c that's what works best for you, or is that all he will prescibe for you. My concern is that I've been taking 8mg for so long, I would hate to drop down to 2mg, considering the w/d's and all. I also can't believe your doc actually calls in refills! Would you believe that the doctor that I am now going to lies to me constantly? He told me that he can't call in the prescription because because of DEA regulations and he will only write one week's prescription at a time. This means that I have to fill a new prescription EVERY week!! And I'm one of the lucky few whose insurance covers the sub so I have to pay my copay every darn week. I haven't had the balls yet to tell him I know he's bold-faced lying to me. JERK!!!
    This is exactly why I found a new doctor in the first place.
    Anyway, it's late and I know I'm not making a lot of sense. Thanks so much for responding and, who knows, maybe I'll see you in the waiting room! I'll be the lady with the 3 rowdy kids all over the place!
    Mary Beth

     
    Old 04-14-2004, 09:05 AM   #22
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    Hello, the reason I take the 2mg a day is because I don't have insurance. When I started taking it last March, I was the only patient that had ever come to my doctor about suboxone. The drug had only been approved by the FDA since October 2002. I printed out everything I could find on the internet about the suboxone, which wasn't much, and gave it to him. He told me that he had no problem with giving me the drug but that I might find it hard to find a pharmacy that carries it. He told me the milligrams the pill came in and to go home and call every pharmacy until I could find that would fill it. So I did. I only found 1. Tucker Pharmacy. He wrote the script the next day. The reason I only took 1 2mg pill a day is because it is all I could afford. I get 35 pills a month. I have found that when I exercise, which is almost every day, I sometimes I have to take another quarter or half a pill. I think it must come out through my pores when I sweat. I can honestly say I never had any withdrawals when I went on it. I mean I went from about 30 vicodens a day to the suboxone. I never had a day where I felt bad. I guess I am lucky. I think Dr. Fr**k is very particular about who he prescribes to. He isn't going to give it to somebody who is not serious about recovery. He is very involved in NA and very serious about recovery. You sound like a good candidate. My only advice is to be brutally honest with him about everything. Tell him what you have been through with your previous doctors. He is a great guy and has changed my life. Good luck! Stacy

     
    Old 04-14-2004, 10:33 AM   #23
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    Stacy,

    I wanted to preface this post by thanking everyone for contributing their thoughts. We all think we're the only ones, however these boards show us we are all basically in the same boat. The more experiences you relate, the more help I find. I have some questions about your experiences with sub and exercise. my experience is: Long time Heroin addict. Been on meth several times lost everything...Went to jail( not the first time), decided enough was truely enough. Been at it since the late 60's. Been clean since late 80's. Every day alittle better. After 15 years, very productive, great family, good job etc. I've been running and exercising since getting clean. Very important to me. One year ago, root canal, vicodin, eventually full blown relapse using about 120 mgs of hydo per day. Jumped on sub. Did a great job. Stopped on a dime. Never stopped exercising or running even when I relapsed. Went on sub and could really have been on any dose I chose. 4 mg per day seemed right for me. I take my sub in the early a.m. and off to the gym. 30 days ago I decided that it's time to get off. Down to 1/4 of a 2mg tab per day. Again, I take this before I exercise. That's my problem. My doc said to level at ny dose. Don't try to go any longer. Simply go longer between doses. I don't do this because I am used to make wake-up before I go to exercise. I don't feel too chipper in the morning. Going from 1 tab to 1/4 was hard. On the other hand, I'm really stringing this thing out. I'll keep you posted as I make the move lower. Thanks for your input.

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    Old 04-14-2004, 11:32 AM   #24
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    Dear TMB: For me, I have always been on 2mg a day. I take half in the morning when I get up, literally when my eyes open, and I take the other half around lunch time or when I start to get those tell tale hot flashes that say you need more. When I sweat, I think the suboxone excretes through my pours and out through the sweat. I have also had the same problem when I had the stomach flu a while back and I was throwing up. I think it is probably because the dosage that I take is so low that when that tiny little bit leaves my body, via sweating, I just start to go into withdrawal. I always know when this happens because I get the hot flashes. This is why my doctor gives me 35 pills a month instead of 30. That way if I take a little more I'll have it. I did try to detox last year in May and it was a disaster. My doctor had told me that I was on such a low dose I should not have severe withdrawals. Well let me tell you, it was HORRIBLE! A week after taking my last pill, I thought I was going to die! I had no energy to move. I mean it took every ounce of energy just to breath. I went back on the suboxone and I am in no hurry to go off of it again. There are several threads on this board from people who have tried to wean off the suboxone, and it is not nearly as easy as all the doctors think it is. Anyway, this is just my story there are probably others that see it differently. Good luck and keep us posted....Stacy

     
    Old 04-14-2004, 12:05 PM   #25
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    Thanks so much.

    My Doctor too has told me he doesn't have anyone that has sucssesfully weaned down to zero from sub without using. I do think I'm pretty close after going down to 1/4 of a tab.I'll keep you posted.

    TMB

     
    Old 04-14-2004, 01:50 PM   #26
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    Getting off sub is next to impossible- I feel okay some days and HORRIBLE others and it has been almost a month for me!

    My advice to sub users is once you start it...don't ever stop!

    Michelle

     
    Old 04-14-2004, 04:07 PM   #27
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    mechelle i told you that it would be rough harder than hydro if you ask me.the only way to beat it is to go back to usin im ashamed to say.this is why the failure rate for sub is so high if yu do not take it for the rest of your life.it doesnt matter how slow you taper or nothin there will still be w/ds at the end and they are terrible.-spark

     
    Old 04-15-2004, 06:01 AM   #28
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    Michelle - how much are you on now? Do you take it every time you feel withdrawals..or at established times? I am soooo sorry that you are finding it so tough. Sounds like you are at a level that doesn't really help you much....so you're suffering sporadic withdrawals. (If I remember correctly, you never took enough Sub for it to be totally effective, did you? When is your doctor's appt? (Don't bother with all these questions if you're feeling lousy! Basically, I just want to say I've been thinking about you. :-) Lynn

     
    Old 04-15-2004, 11:56 AM   #29
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    Was supposed to go today , Lynn, but didn't because of a vomitting child ! Don't know that I would have anyway because he is going to tell me I need treatment and after what happened this weekend with my mom, I don't know if I can do that!

    Thanks for asking though. Hope you are doing okay- I read where you thought about "fading away" and almost cried! You better not...you are a huge support for me! I love ya!

    Take care- tell Alice "hello!"
    Michelle


    PS Yep, Spark, it is the pits!!!! TERRIBLE!!!! How are you? Using? Fill me in if you have a second!

     
    Old 04-15-2004, 05:26 PM   #30
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    Hi, Michelle (aka "y'all" and "Scarlet")

    Okay.....I promise not to "fade away"--as long as you don't!!! :-) What you wrote to me was so sweet. Particularly since I had an absolutely horrid day at work today--it really upset me--so your words were just what I needed to hear!!

    Now, don't you worry about "sharing" when you don't feel like it. All our problems wait patiently in the wings--always ready to pop up again when we bring them onto the stage! LOL!! I only wish that our problems would just "fade away"!!! :-) But I know that there are times when we feel almost too hopeless and too miserable to even think about sharing and discussing them--we feel like NOTHING would help. I often feel like that. So, don't ever worry when you don't feel like writing...I sure understand that feeling!

    I can't find that thread about your mother?? So, I don't know what happened. But, I just wish you would see that specialist because he/she could give you specific information about how the meds are affecting you--at the amounts that you are taking them. He may also come up with some info. that you might not have considered. (This is the kind of stuff I wonder about when I consider seeing an addictionologist.) You don't have to go into treatment....just tell him you're thinking about it. It would just be good to have all the knowledge you could about what you are dealing with in your specific case. (Of course, vomiting children are a perfectly good reason for cancelling an appointment! LOL! My little Theo, the Lhasa, threw up the minute I walked into the vet with him, on Monday. Yuck! I'll just bet he was holding it in until he got into the reception area...so he could get his point across to the vet--in no uncertain terms--exactly what he thought of the place!!!)

    I, too, look for messages here from my board pals. They become so important without me realizing it...until a good friend (like you) stops writing!! The board's members have changed so much in the last month...and it always takes me a bit to get used to anything new! But...I was NEW three months ago! It's just that, as nice as it is to meet new friends.....I can't help missing the "old crowd". So...I'm very happy you and some of the others have stayed on. I guess this is the nature of these chat boards. Last week I was really feeling like I was one of the very few posters in our "crowd" that had not made much of an effort yet, re. my pills. But the posts I got back, really did help. I only wish I could help you more to get through all this. I've watched you get sadder and sadder dealing with the darn reality of drugs...getting off them..while retaining your sanity!! :-) Just as long as you know that I (and all your other caring friends) are with you 24/7 mentally--if not physically! (I think we all need to get together and talk POLITICS!!! Now THAT would get our adrenalin up, at a time when nothing else seems to help! LOLOL!)

    Gotta go now. Take care....sleep well! luv, Lynn :-) xxx

     
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