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    Old 09-18-2004, 12:11 PM   #1
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    Hi there,

    I have been taking codeine for about 4 months now.I buy over the counter codeine/tylenol pills and I seperate the codeine from the pills using warm water and I have found myself now addicted to it.I knew it was happening but I used to be an alcoholic and some stress in my life caused me to take codeine recreationally.Now I am taking between 40X8mgs and recently have found that this isn't cutting it for me anymore, so today I crushed up about 100 8mg pills, which is 800mgs of codeine.

    What my question is: How in the heck do I get off of taking it?

    I want to stop taking it, but if I don't take it everyday my legs feel like someone is sticking pins and needles in them behind my knees, and I toss and turn in bed in pain.Should i just start taking less at a time and gradually take less and less or can I say, take 80 pills a day for a week and then the next week take 40 and then 20 and then 10 and then none?

    What kind of timeline can I cut back, can I take less each day until I am on a smaller dose and then completely stop?

    I have been suffering from severe depression aswell, with thoughts of suicide and lay in bed wishing I could just go to sleep and not wake when I took 100 pills I said to myself "well...this is the end of me"

    should I tell my doctor ive been taking codeine and am now addicted so he can give me something for it? I am ashamed that I have become addicted to it, but i know I need to stop if I want to get back to normal...

    has anyone ever stopped taking codeine and if you have how did you do it, without the suffering of withdrawls??

    thanks for any help anyone can offer...this sucks and is ruining my life...

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    Old 09-18-2004, 03:52 PM   #2
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    Re: how to get off of codeine?

    there just isnt a way to avoid withdrawal symptoms when you reach your level of use. so thats the first thing to think about how do i deal with this problem, a plan. tapering is a good theory but addicts in the majority of cases cannot take their medicine in the manner prescribed making it very difficult to achieve. cold turkey is not recommended for someone using several hundred milligrams of an opiate. you would have a severe withdrawal. i dont believe you would want to experience this. rehab is also available. cost is usually prohibitive but it is worth the price to return to a level of stability again in your life. a clean life. you have hard decisions to make. you want to stop. the next step is planning your recovery. the ways above i give you are just options you can choose.

    to go into tapering real quick it is best to do it as gradually as possible in relation to your supply of pills. the more the better generally to allow a smooth reduction. its discipline though. straight up hardcore discipline. you make out a regimen and you DO NOT stray from the path you have chosen.

    i know its hard. depression goes hand in hand with opiate addiction. it can be severe in most cases. getting a relationship with a counselor and getting all your feelings off your chest and out in the open will be a very good experience. i highly recommend you talk to someone whoever may be in your life. be it a confidant, a trusted friend, or someone you meet at an NA meetings. those i really would recommend for your recovery. talking is one of your very best tools in recovery. it is one way of beginning your recovery. there are so many ways. this board has a wealth of information about withdrawal and tapering. use the search engine and type in those words and up will come many many posts related specifically to what youre interested in.

    i know what you are feeling. you are an addict now. its a lifelong dilemma. just be open to all things in getting thru this and it will happen. getting over this is possible. but you have to take that first baby step. whichever direction you choose

    Old 09-18-2004, 04:19 PM   #3
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    Re: how to get off of codeine?

    Hi Frank,
    I would say yes yes yes to every question you asked. Yes you should try to taper as much as you can stand, and get used to making your tapering a priority over other things in your life. Yes you should confide in your doctor, as he can help, and maybe will prescribe a real anti-depressant for you to assist with your taper and of course your depression. The codeine is acting as a sort of anti-depressant for you because it made you feel better, at least initially.

    So you have reached the point where you've had enough and want to get this out of your life. That's good news. Get with your doc asap and figure out all your options.


    Old 09-18-2004, 09:35 PM   #4
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    Hi Frank,
    More than advice, I guess I'm just here to give you comfort. And let you know your not alone I am somewhat in the same boat. Addicted to a narcotic pain pill and not sure how the heck to get off of them. The advice offered here is great. I have attempted to taper off, and it is much harder than you think, as my recent attempts have failed. I guess where I'm at and what you should consider is just finding the strength to say it out loud to a doctor, a scary thought but then so is being addicted to pain pills the rest of your life. At least your taking the first steps to gaining your life back. Hang in there and keep us posted!

    Old 09-19-2004, 04:37 AM   #5
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    You have to start taper now. The dose you are on, there is no avoiding the discomfort of tapering or cold turkey. Be set in your mind that you are gonna feel uncomfortable. 100 pills in a day is a large habit. Immediately drop down significantly today. Then stabilize for 3-5 days, then jump down again. Tapering from this amount is gonna be a struggle. You can't go on like this, it is lethal! PHILSTER>>>> he is the one that can help you with this. I hope he checks in today. He can come up with a taper plan for you where there is minimal w/d...but the schedule is rigid, it involves setting alarm clocks in the middle of the night and everything. And no cheating by taking one or two more, that is only fooling yourself. Tapering is extremely hard, but it can be done. Set your mind and stay focused on your goal. I hope i helped some, i am worried about you. By the way, you have found a life-saving web-site here. So many of us have stumbled upon this site, by accident and it has literally saved so many of our lives. This board has been a life-saver for me, and i am so thankful that i found it. Stick around. Try to jump down today and let your body stabilize for 5 days or so. And i would jump down significantly! You are gonna feel some discomfort, so prepare with some vitamins, buy some gatorade or propel, some ensure shakes, IMMODIUM is a MUST. Maybe some herbal tea to calm your nerves. Call me out when you need to chat.....i am always around.

    Old 09-19-2004, 08:21 AM   #6
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    Hi everyone,

    You guys are so supportive, I wish I could listen to you. I wish I could find the resolve (if you could call it that). The desire so strong to quit that i would.

    I guess it's inevitable. I mentioned this before because I'm out of money. Of course I got paid for a job, which is all I needed to buy more hydro.

    damn. but I don't have it so I will suffer for 2 days.
    all I can do is sit here and stare at the tv., but I need to act "normal" for the family. not an easy task.

    What scared me yesterday is that I got a script from my doc, and it was only 5 of hydro, but 500 of tylenol - darn. A little uncomfortable taking that much tylenol, but what the heck, didn't stop me from taking 15 one day and the other 15 yesterday. So now I wait until tomorrow afternoon for the delivery of 10/325s.

    sorry for the babbling.

    Old 09-19-2004, 08:40 AM   #7
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    IMO tapering is a lost cause for real addicts. Get a detox and rehab scheduled and go. Simple as that.

    Old 10-05-2004, 02:34 AM   #8
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    well thanks for the tips and stuff guys...

    I have since found out some good stuff some bad since my last reply/question...

    I have found out that my methods of extracting codiene being so crude that I am only actually getting 50% of the actual amounts I had been thinking I was taking...and at most if i broke up 100pills I wasnt taking 800mgs after all, more like 400-500mgs...but most times I just use about 30-60pills so in reality most times I have been taking say 120mgs of codiene, because most times i do 33pills then 1 bottle lasts for 6 times...

    so I am going to start by making sure I only take 33 at one time for now...I am contemplating telling my doctors...

    as far as addictions and it being part of my best friends mom died of a heroin overdose, she was the first in a chain of ppl to OD...she was 33 and left behind a 17YO, a 14YO and a 13YO...ive known their family since I was 5 and my dad used to hang out with their brother when they were kids..

    then a neighbor named Dan died of an overdose.

    then my dad's girlfriend hung herself in the drunktank with her pantyhose after running from paying for her ****are.

    then my dad died of an overdose 4 years ago now, he was 46.

    then my uncle died, less than 3 years ago.

    my mom's ex got aids from drug use and had to have both his legs amputated from an infection of some sort, his arms no longer work and he has trouble to just breath.He is the one that used to emotionally and physically abuse me and why I feel so worthless in my own mind now.I used to have to turn my head the other direction if I didnt want to see him sticking a needle in his arm, at the age of about 12...he used to strangle me when he was mad at me and I had many days of feeling terrified to walk into my own home, wondering if I had done something wrong...and many nightmares as a child waking up being afraid...from about age 6-14 I had to live with this guy...he is getting what he gave I suppose...

    then my grandmother died...

    and my mom is still a addict...and my 16 YO sister has already done everything under the sun...and my 25 YO cousin is a heroin addict, since he was about 20...

    So I kinda know about addicted people and the life...

    I quit drinking in 1998 and have been drunk once since then about 5 months ago...but to quit drinking I buried myself in work and being recenlty I have lost myself...I am walking around with a cloud of anxiety, depression, emptyness all around me and no sign's at all of it ever stopping...I was once told by a co-worker that quit drinking for a few years that you reach a point in your soberness where you feel crazy....I guess ive reached that point...I thought I wouldn't have that point in my life...but here I am and ending life sounds better than all of the struggling and working thru things that I must work thru...if I make it out alive it will be the hardest thing I have ever done and is it even worth it? to see all of the suffering, pain, sorrow, confusion, hurt, materialism, commercialism, hatred, that life has to offer??? how do any of you get by without being an addict? or does it just take alot of ignorance to your surroundings to fake your thru then die anyways? seriously I don't know of any reason to want to be alive, maybe it's just me and "MAYBE" this period in my life will pass....but won't life just be bouncing from one addiction to the next
    Everything is an addiction, for instance if you "need" to own a car to get around and go to work, are you not dependant on that car? isn't that the same as being a crackhead? except car's are socially acceptable addictions and crack isn't? people die everyday from car's...just as many as die of overdoses, parent's raise their children as if a car is okay to be dependant on...and people spend enormous amounts of money...more than some spend on crack, on cars? This is just an example of the ways in which I think and how you may see why I feel screwed up everywhere I turn offense to anyone addicted to driving...your okay....I am not...thanks for listening and responding if you want to...

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    Old 10-07-2004, 08:19 AM   #9
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    Try not to group everything in life to being the equivilant of a drug addiction. Thats just a way to justify it. The withdrawal problem that characterizes every addictive habit is often referred to as dependency. Being dependent/relying on a car to get to work is a different kind of dependency than a drug addiction. What drug dependency means is that the addict depends upon his or her habit to avoid the withdrawal symptoms that are associated with the habit.

    Another characteristic that makes addictive habits different from non-addictive habits is their ability to produce a positive feeling while at the same time getting rid of a negative one. A non-addictive habit only gets rid of a negative feeling.

    The positive feeling that every addiction produces is the feeling of being in control. The negative feeling that it gets rid of is the feeling of being controlled.

    Make sure you acknowledge that being addicted to a narcotic is a problem and not a solution. It took me a long time to realize this. I'm on my third day clean, I feel like crap but at the same time I've never felt better! Good luck!

    Old 10-07-2004, 09:21 AM   #10
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    Yo Frank,

    A sordid tale indeed. Judging by your history you'll probably have to work really hard to get clean, stay clean, and live a happier life. It'll take a lot of therapy and group therapy (via AA/NA meetings) is good stuff. I hope that you can break out of the current funk, get off the dope, and get some help. You've seen where addiction takes people and you know that you don't want to go there. Get to work on it. I wish you the best that life has to offer....there is a good life out there....I promise.

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