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    Old 06-19-2005, 02:04 PM   #16
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    Re: Suboxone tapering........

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    Hi,
    Well, I have not reached my doc yet. The receptionist was not able to ask him my question regarding the Naltextrone taking away the sub. withdrawals and allowing one to withdraw from it in a few days. I am going to stop in his office and speak with him myself. It was too complicated a question for the office person to ask him as she wanted me to explain it directly to him.

    Even though I have not had any replies to my post, I know that many of you are on the sub. and need all the information that is available. Therefore, I will keep posting what I am able to find out.

    Also, Because I happened to fall asleep early last night, I did not take my usual daily dose of .2 mgs. (not 2 mgs) last night. I feel perfectly fine right now although, it may be, that it is still in my system. It has been almost 40 hours since my last dose. I am going to wait until this evening and if I do feel some w.d. symptoms (Those darn restless legs!) I will of course take my dose, if not, I will just play it by ear. I hope that someone is at least reading this as there are so many of you who have suffered or are terrified to stop the sub. due to bad experiences of others. Of course if you try to stop without tapering, that will of course happen.

    I'll keep in touch so that hopefully I can help others to withdraw from sub in the totally painless way that I am. I have to say, that since I have gone slowly, there have been virtually no symptoms.

    I know many are maintaining on the sub for long periods of time. Please, feel no shame on that. I probably would do that too if I could afford it. It is a wonderful drug that does no damage to your body and for many is the key to never, ever, use drugs again, perhaps avoiding an early death.

    Love to all of you on this journey,

    Linda
    my name is RYAN been on suboxone about 8 months, i am having poblems double dosing and then running out. I want to just qut this expensive drug. what can i take 2 help the withdraws that i know are comming?also dont think my doc. knows much about it. Im on 8mg once a day! I dont feel its enough. please help me!!

     
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    Old 06-19-2005, 02:12 PM   #17
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    Re: Suboxone tapering........

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    Oh Alegre!!
    I just finished posting you a reply that took me about twenty minutes, then I must have hit some button and poof, it's gone.

    Suffice it to say that you are doing great. I guess the pills that you have, Temoreki? are what is prescribed for pain. Upon researching buprenorphine, I learned that the usual dose for moderate to severe pain is .03 mgs, every six hours. This is actually equal to 10 mgs. of morphine. That is as far as it's attachment to your opiate receptors. It attachess itself to your receptors and stays there much longer than the short acting opiates like Vicodin. So, if you were to try and take a pain pill while on the sub. there would be no effect. You would have to go off the sub. and wait a week or so, so to do that we would have to actually PLAN a relapse a week or more ahead. Now, I have done some stupid things, but I would not do that.

    I am concerned that you are getting your sub from another person rather than a doctor. First of all, it is illegal and you will be put in jail, if caught, but secondly, there are many wonderful addiction doctors around who will prescribe it to you and support you during your taper. You are almost there, but in case you get some residual symptoms, he could help. At night I take something called Seroquel, it is totally non addictive and just relaxes me into a normal drowsy sleepiness, not like Ambien, which is a sleeping pill I tred.

    Please post to me anytime, I will check a couple times every day.

    I am so impressed with the people I have met on this board. This would really be a wonderful subject for a show like Oprah. I would want to approach her with my story, my many, many failures to quit and then finally how so many of us have used Suboxone to not only detox, but to have time to think rationally about my life and my family. I know that if I had not found the sub. I would be dead or in jail, I am absolutely sure of it. I feel I missed a lot of my daughters years in high school do to my drug obsession, I also ended up spending thousands of dollars on internet pharmacies, etc.

    The use of this board is also a subject that I would want to let people know about. You see, I have no one that supports me emotionally at home in this regard. Mainly, because my husband got so very disgusted when I continued to relapse, he felt, if I wanted to, I could, so he came to the conclusion that I didn't want to, which wasn't true, I wanted to with all my heart, but the sub has allowed me to do it and I am so very thankful

    Sweetie please post me everyday and let me know how you're doing.

    Linda

    ps.What state do you live in?? Are you married, boyfriend, any pets, in scho ol?
    Hi my name is ryan and I know suboxone has saved my life, its just a problem finding a doctor to help me get off of the stuff, my doctor has moved into private practice and i cant afford to travel that far plus pay his outrageous fee! please help me find a doctor I can contact to help me, I am out of suboxone as of today, and I am scared. I take 8mg once a day! dont know what 2 do??

     
    Old 06-19-2005, 02:19 PM   #18
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    Re: Suboxone tapering........

    Hi my name is ryan and I need help finding a doctor who will help wean me off of suboxone, I am a single guy, that works in the coal mines, and have been on 8mg a day for 8 months. My doctor has moved in to private practice far away from where I live, who can help me? I will take all advice Thankyou Please Help me!

     
    Old 06-20-2005, 09:23 PM   #19
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    Ryan,

    Sorry, I have been having computer problems and have not been on the boards for a while.

    I agree, that the sub is very expensive. What did you mean by "double dosing"? Do you have a doctor helping you? He should be able to put you on a proper dose and then you can start tapering very slowly every two or three days (very, very slowly). As I said, I am now down to .01 mgs., I suppose I will stop and see what happens as ggrl. said in a post that I should be able to jump off now. I tried taking some Darvocet and I hate how it makes me feel. I didn't know how much to take. I took it for three days, about two every four hours and I felt sick to my tummy and dizzy, I actually used to like Darvocet. What was I thinking?? It's horrible. So, I think I will just stop the sub. and if I feel any symptoms such as restless legs, etc. I will take less than .01, I will just scrape a bit off.

    I don't know your history Ryan. I had a large Lortab habit and my doc put me on 16 mg a day to start. After a while, I was able to taper it to 8 mgs. a day, then, 4 and so on. I stayed at 2 mgs. for awhile and then tapered to where I am now.

    Please, call your doctor. He/She, is the only one who can adjust you to the proper dose. Why do you feel that 8 mgs. is not enough? I wish I could help, but, everyones body is different and I can only say what has worked for me.

    Let me know how you are, ok?

    DWD

     
    Old 06-20-2005, 09:27 PM   #20
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    Re: Suboxone tapering........

    Sorry Ryan,
    I just re-read your post and realized that you don't have a doc. now.
    You should still be ok because the sub. has a very long half life in the body, this means that in 48 hours, you still have half the dose in your tissues.

    Take care!

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    Old 06-21-2005, 03:25 AM   #21
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    Re: Suboxone tapering........

    Done w/-
    The darvocet..can make you feel yucky..
    i think after long term sub..your body is so used to it..that the full agonist opiates are intense..
    try taking a full day off..first...see how you feel.
    Im here for you..L.

    ggrl

     
    Old 06-21-2005, 02:51 PM   #22
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    Hi ggrl!

    Thanks, that's what I will do. How are you doing? Are you at 5 mgs. a day?
    I feel that you should stay at whatever dose allows you to feel "normal", and if this is the amount that does that for you, then stay on it. As long as you can afford it, I would stay on it and then when you feel up to it, and have the desire to, try tapering again, but by even smaller amounts then before.


    I am always here for you, as well. I check these boards every day.

    "Hugs to You"

     
    Old 06-22-2005, 04:07 AM   #23
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    Re: Suboxone tapering........

    Hi L..
    How are you today..im at .05 mgs....i am so impressed w/ your taper..im finding it difficult to come down from here.
    I have skipped days-depending..some i felt kinda ill-some were doable-but 48-72 hrs. in-not so good!!
    With almost 2 yrs..on sub..alot has been accomplished..
    I have lost my obsession..w/ the drug..i know-im medicated now..but its like a fading memory.My life is in a differant place now..
    You know-there are many debates on suboxone-trading opiates..etc.
    But many times when a person-comes off long term-hard drugs-they are spending so much time healing-i feel the sub-gave me productive clean time from my doc..and now-when i do come off-my life is in a differant place..
    So-ill be kicking sub-but not going back to all the problems-i had when i was using..
    Between therapy/cleaning up financial debt/moving/changing friends..its a whole differant world.
    Thats the positives of sub..
    I hope you are ok..and let me know how your doing-
    ggrl

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    Old 06-22-2005, 08:16 AM   #24
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    Re: Suboxone tapering........

    down from 8 mgs to 6 to 4mgs. I hope its not that bad next month when I drop down to 2mgs.. Oh well, its gotta be done!

     
    Old 06-22-2005, 02:55 PM   #25
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    Re: Suboxone tapering........

    Hey!
    To me, the tapering down to 2 mgs was a piece of cake. After that though, you do need to taper very slowly. For example, I am down to .01 mgs per day. It took me three months to taper from 2 mgs. to where I am now.

    Good Luck, and don't be in a rush. Listen to your body.

     
    Old 06-22-2005, 03:09 PM   #26
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    Hey Goddess Girl!!!

    You're doing great, .05 mgs is a very low amount. Stay there as long as you need to, just shave the very tiniest amount off of that when you taper. For all the same reasons that you gave (and a few more!) the sub has been an excellent experience for me. Other times when I had "quit", the addictive mind was still in existence. I had developed a real "habit" of desiring, searching for, and using Lortabs to solve all problems. But, as we ALL know, it just creates more and more problems. Sub. with therapy, breaks the circuit of this thinking. I am sorry for all the time I wasted and took away from my family, while using, but, I cannot change the past, only look toward and create a great future. I wish the same for everyone on this board.

    Ggrl. I am still taking the .01 mgs. per day. I have 2 and one half, 2 mg. tabs left. I will take an even smaller and smaller piece, until they are gone. Hopefully, I won't need anymore, but if I do, I will ask my doc for just five. He is retiring in August and just in case, I want to have them. Just a security blanket, after the long time I was on it. I read the "horror stories" of others who "jumped off" and they frightened me, a lot! But, no one was taking any less than 1 mg., I think, so I will try very soon. I see nothing wrong though in taking tinier and tinier pieces, until I have none. After that, if I can get through five or six days, I will know I am finished. I once went without sub for five days. I was then taking 2 mgs. a day and I honestly was feeling suicidal after the five days. So, I would rather be safe than sorry.

    Take care of yourself, Girl!
    I will be on here every day, for you!!!


    "someones mom"

     
    Old 06-22-2005, 09:10 PM   #27
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    Thanks for the advice! My doc told me the same thing about listening to my body! I will take it slow like everyone has said I just didnt' know how slow to take it!

     
    Old 06-23-2005, 05:17 AM   #28
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    Re: Suboxone tapering........

    L. Aka someones mom-
    Pretty funny there lady..
    Thank you so much for being my pal..i need the connection..
    ive been so emotional lately..
    i feel like the sub..is still working-but im underdosed..due to taper..and my body/brain-is feeling it..
    im really blown away by your patience..and focus..and i know that everyone following your taper..feels the same way..
    so right on.. to you..( )

    Tony B-
    Hi there!!!
    Slow is the way to go..You just hang in there w/ us..and everyone else here-doing the sub..we can all be helpful to each other.
    Thats the best!!!!

    ggrl

     
    Old 06-23-2005, 06:16 AM   #29
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    goddessgrl, It sounds like you are still doin your taper. I havent been on-line in months. I am still hangin in on 4 mgs., I guess I could say I am doin a VERY slow taper I am sooo scared to go down to 2mgs. I have to work and I am afraid that it will affect the way I feel. When I first started on this journey I did try and taper in the early beginning and when I hit the 2mg. mark I felt depression big time. Thats what I cant get out of my mind. I have also started taking B-12 sublingually, and other vitamins as well to help increase my B vitamins that have been depleted, I heard that would help when I decide to come off. You seem to be doing GREAT, please let me know how you are doing. Any advice? A re you taking anything else to aide you along? I envy you, I would love to be where you are at with your tapering, you should be very proud of yourself! You are one strong women! Keep up the good work

     
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    Hi,to all!

    (and Kimbee...so good to see--or rather--read--you!)

    I have not been on-line here for a long time. One of my two dogs passed away several weeks ago--she had very bad heart disease and was so ill for during that last month...needing so many pills, compounds, etc, help cleaning up (bad diarrhea), special diet and coaxing to eat, carrying back and forth everywhere.....and--most of all-- lots and lots of hugs and kisses. So.....I've been so sad, I was just not able to focus on the board.

    Celeste was the most gentle, sweet dog....and lived a good and full life (she was a rescue dog....about 10 months when we found her). And right to her last day, she was so content and so comfortable and so happy just to sit in my lap and be with me. But....no matter how "good--or how full" your furry friend's life has been....that doesn't stop the awful grieving you go through, when they have to move on without you. :-( (I am so fortunate to have my other dog, my Lhasa, Theo, who knows just what to "say"--and which knee to lick--whenever I feel sad.)

    So.....my mind has been so preoccupied the past six weeks or so with Celeste that I've barely been on the board during that time. But I did want to say that I am doing so very well on the Subutex--and it has brought me back to where I was, mentally, so many years ago, before Vicodins and I became such "tight friends!!!

    I realize that I had actually forgotten that I could feel like I now do....reacting "normally" to life....discovering that shopping, dr. appts, daily errands, etc are NOT the Himalayan mountains I used to climb each day. Even when I'm, say, in the newspaper shop, now, I find pleasure in just saying "good morning" to the owner. I no longer see each trip out of my apartment as a "reconnaissance" mission, where I must get back to the safety of my apartment ASAP.

    I never, ever believed I could be back at this point again. It truly is a miracle for me. And what amazes me most is waking up each day without automatically (and anxiously) thinking "Okay, I feel terrible. But, I'll pop a pill...and THEN I can get up...or walk my dogs...or write a letter....or finish some sketches....etc, etc, etc." And, of course--after taking that pill--what would happen, in actuality, was I'd be lucky for the pill "high" to last me long enough to even get dressed!!!

    For most of my life, clinical depression has been my mortal enemy. And, although my Prozac and Wellbutrin have worked well....I do believe that there is definitely an antidepressant effect from Subutex. It's like this hazy "cloud" has been lifted and life is clearer again. What I fear most about getting off the Sub--is losing that.

    Today is my appt with my Sub doctor...and we'll be discussing the past few months since I've seen her. She knows that depression has always been a big struggle for me....and she is adament that keeping it at bay is more important than anything. I don't know whether she may have at one time experienced it, herself--but she is often the first one to say that life has little meaning when one is depressed...that depression is the forerunner to so many of our other troubles (ie, drugs.)

    So, I will be discussing this aspect of the Sub with her....how it has lifted the last of my depression. (After a month or so on the Sub, I had tried to taper....but found my depression coming back within about ten days.)

    Trying to get conclusive information about this drug is just impossible. It's too new, too untested....and, now, it's become this issue bandied about by non-medical "civilians" (like me), all presenting such conflicting reports of how the Sub works--and how it should be viewed on a short and long-term basis. It's all conjecture at the moment.....but, all I can say is, it's given my life back to me. And, if, while I am taking it, I am just "exchanging one drug for another"--so be it. For now, I will consider it in the category of my Prozac and Wellbutrin...a drug that's kept me functioning.

    I do plan to taper....but hopefully not beyond the point where I've lost its benefits. I have to see what my doctor says today. On a personal level--it has given me so much "feeling" back, again. And, on a practical level, I am finally starting to do all the piled-up projects, etc, that were put off during all those drug years...so....I am in no hurry to go back to where I was.

    Reading other success stories about Sub are so important to me.. If it wasn't for wonderful people like Goddessgrl--and all her encouragement--I would be right where I was last year at this time....NOT a good place to be!

    Okay. Hello to you all, again. And, now I've got to read back through the archives and see what you all have been up to!

    luv, Lynn

     
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