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    Old 03-22-2006, 12:15 AM   #31
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    Re: Ultram addiction

    Cher,
    Addiction is a nasty thing,I agree BUT all the posts about Ultram are so negative I was thinking to myself if I dint know better and my Dr. prescribed it No way in hell after reading these posts!!! Ultram and ANY other kind of Rx can be addicting no doubt about that ultram saved my life from ALOT of pain!!! I am so sorry I stepped on your toes but read back on these subject every post is negative and for some of us the medicine helps that was the point I was trying to get across!!! Sorry I meant no offense.

    Addiction is scary and I do hope everyone beats it,Good luck Cher in your endeavors.....
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    Old 03-22-2006, 05:42 AM   #32
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    Ultram when used as prescribed is a fine pain killer.It's when it's abused that the problems start although there is a small percentage of people who after long term use can be suceptable to siezures.It's ordered here in Canada with little problems...Dave

     
    Old 03-22-2006, 05:49 AM   #33
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    It's especially good for nerve pain

     
    Old 03-22-2006, 08:00 AM   #34
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    Re: Ultram addiction

    hello all, just adding my two cents in. I commented early on in this thread and then was gone for nearly a couple of weeks for surgery. Everyone's body chemistry is uniquely theirs. Therefore, those who have taken tramadol/ultram and did not experience problems should not assume that others did not experience legitimate problems or that they somehow caused their own problems. Do not believe that as long as it is taken as prescribed for legitimate pain there are no risks. At the recommendation of my doctor, I agreed to switch to Tramadol after I home-detoxed from a tolerance dependency to Vicodin. I was prescribed it for low backpain and fibromyalgia, and it was taken only as directed by my doctor. My doctor stated that there would be no risks with the Tramadol. He was wrong. After several months I began experiencing the same familiar tolerance dependency symptoms. My doctor insisted it couldn't be because he believed it to be non-habit forming. So, I went with my own gut instincts about it. I knew the signs of tolerance dependency as I had just been through it the year before with Vicodin. Once I made that clear association, I knew what had to be done. For me, I have made a personal commitment to not taking any habit-forming drug on a long term basis; period. The WDs from Tramadol were worse than the WDs from Vicodin.

    There is a legitimately serious problem with Tramadol for many. If you are not among the many who have had adverse personal experiences then great for you; you are lucky. But, for the rest of us we speak from our own unfortunate personal experiences. Tramadol was first thought to be a non-habit forming wonder drug alternative to opiate painkillers. It is not. Medical literature is changing and doctor's awareness are slowly evolving as a result of real experiences like these.

    For those going through detox and post-detox WDs who are wondering if they will ever stablize and be normal again, yes you will. It just takes time. It actually takes longer with Tramadol than from the Vicodin. The body is a marvelous creation, and is designed to heal itself. You can shorten that time by exercising daily 20-30 min; any kind of exercise that gets your muscles moving...walking, swimming, treadmill, exercise bike. Exercising is the external demand signal from the body to the brain to go into high gear and work harder where the body starts producing "extra go-juice" to handle the extra demand.....it takes 20-30 min to get the factory fired up, and then when the external demand signal is stopped the resulting "extra go-juice" that was generated is now available to be used to help the body sensories regenerate more quickly.

    Also, for those who have been on Tramadol more than a year, you need to know that you should not abruptly stop taking it. Current information is evolving regarding risks of seizure when the drug is abruptly stopped so if you choose to discontinue it, a taper step down processed would be best.

    Everyone must make personal life management choices, including pain management choices, for themself. Do not acquiesce that choice to anyone other than yourself; not even to a doctor. Doctors are only human and they make mistakes like all the rest of us. It is your life. If you aren't steering it; then who is? Scarey thought.

     
    Old 03-22-2006, 08:15 AM   #35
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    Re: Ultram addiction

    I think there's a link between people who are prone to depression and who are most likely to suffer the worst withdrawals coming off this drug, especially because of its serotonin uptake action. It seems to be these peoples bobys that suffer the most coming off the drug; but this is just my opinion, I wonder how many of the worst suffers will back this up???

     
    Old 03-22-2006, 09:42 AM   #36
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    Re: Ultram addiction

    Hi Blaster, well I can't imagine that many would have had a worst WD experience than what I went through with Tramadol. For me, the worst WDs were associated with Xanax; followed by Tramadol; then least among them was Vicodin...aka Hydro Hell.

    I have never been diagnosed with clinical depression, nor do I feel that I have clinical depression. I have only experienced typical situational depression associated with giref & loss life trauma events. But, perhaps the actual brain chemistry impact might be the same, so it could be a distinction without significance as far as the brain reads it.

    Without a doubt my WDs were occurring during a grief/loss period, the death of my mother. While there might be an interesting linkage regarding the intensity of WDs, I don't really think the potential depression factor is dominant regarding the actual habit-forming factor. But, then anything is possible; it could be possible that brain chemistries during grief/loss cycle make us perhaps more vulnerable----but, there is still a habit forming chemistry with the drug itself regardless. The drug by design is an opiate derivative intended to impact the body's opiate sensory receptors. And, it does...in fact, it masquerades so effectively that it eventually actually tricks the sensories into tolerance dependency cycle. There is just sooooooooooo little that is known about all this stuff. Which is the reason for me, post-detox, I only take a habit-forming drug for very short term treatment; e.g., post surgery pain, etc. I realize that for folks with addictions risks that even short term is not an option. While I am cursed with chronic pain management challenges associated with tolerance dependency, thank God have never had to deal with addiction. While there is a shared shallow murky area, there is a very distinct clinical difference.

    For those who aren't aware of it...the shared shallow murky area is the tolerance dependency stage. It eventually occurs with all habit forming drugs. Tramadol/Ultram has now been acknowledged by the National Institute of Health as a habit forming drug. The time it takes to develop tolerance dependency varies among individuals based on individual body chemistry. During this period the euphoria and pain management is progressively blunted and requires increased levels to be effective. When the euphoria starts dissipating then it is a sign that dependency is occuring, and action should be taken to stop or switch the drug to break the cycle. With Tramadol, it can be difficult to detect as there is only a minimal, almost undetectable euphoria, so the blunting experience is equally almost undetectable.

    With addiction, the clinical distinction for addiction specialists is basically a very simple initial assessment; i.e. the person's ability to properly manage drugs. If a person has an inability to properly manage drugs then the complexity assessment comes into play regarding why and treatment.

    However, the initial simple assessment regarding risks are:

    1. Is the drug being legitimately prescribed by a doctor?
    2. Are you properly managing drugs by taking only as prescribed and not acquiring "extra dosing" supplies through "other" sources?

    Both questions should be HONESTLY answered yes. If both questions can not be answered yes then you are at risk of addiction, and the degree of your risks need to be further assessed to determine your treatment needs. With addicts most will answer no to one or both questions. With tolerance dependency most will answer yes to one or both questions. The bottom line is that if both questions can not be answered YES, then further assessment is needed to determine and manage your risks.

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    Old 03-24-2006, 12:03 PM   #37
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    Re: Ultram addiction

    Medair,
    Hey how are you doing? are you doing ok. I hope everything is going well. Stay strong and remember that we are all here for you.

     
    Old 03-24-2006, 09:33 PM   #38
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    Re: Ultram addiction

    I'm doing much better, thanks. I'm exercising daily and drinking tons of fluids. The aches are slowly dissipating, and the strength and energy are coming back.

    To those of you who think depression may have an effect on how dependency begins, I NEVER had a depressed day in my entire life, and I'm 55 years old. The depression I had coming off tramadol was intolerable. I took MS Contin, Dilaudid, morphine, and Percocet 10 mg for months after hip surgery, 6 months total, and came off those without any problem at all, no withdrawals, nothing. There's something sinister about Ultram/tramadol. I believe it will be found eventually how dangerous this drug is. It works great for pain but the damage it does isn't worth it. I thought I had found my miracle drug too like so many others. From what I've read (and I've read everything I could put my eyes on), the withdrawals from Ultram are much worse than the so-called opiates like morphine and Percocet or even Vicodin. If you take this drug for more than a few weeks, watch for signs of tolerance and the signs of withdrawal when you stop. It can be very dangerous.

    As for me, I'm clean and getting better every single day!!

     
    Old 03-24-2006, 10:05 PM   #39
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    Re: Ultram addiction

    Medair, so glad to hear you are doing so well! Congratulations with a new beginning on life! And, I agree with you about Ultram/Tramadol. I truly think that eventually it will be taken off the market. It will take years and many will go through hell with it in the meantime. So many doctors are quick to prescribe as a misperceived low risk drug. As I have said many times on this board it was a worse detox than Vicodin for me with much longer lasting and more intense post-detox WDs. It feels wonderful and harmless while you are on it, and you are tricked into believing it is riskfree because there isn't the euphoria feel with it that exists with Vicodin or other opiates. However, the body chemistries that are changed with this drug are far more significant and longer lasting. After my experience with it, I feel anyone messing with it is playing with fire. Anyone who insists on continuing to take it should do random dosing and hten have a drug free day every 10 days to disrupt the brain's signal of expectancy. I don't know that will prevent tolerance dependency, but it is thought to at least prolong it.

     
    Old 03-25-2006, 07:51 PM   #40
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    I am so glad you're doing better. I hope everything goes well in your continued recovery.

    Love, cher

    ps I know depression has nothing to do with it i wasn't depressed either

     
    Old 03-26-2006, 01:32 AM   #41
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    Re: Ultram addiction

    serotonin and depression are intrinsically linked and Ultram has a major action on this chemical, so there's board to be a link in some cases, but not all of course, so I apologise if anyone felt "branded" by my statement.

    Best Wishes coming off this drug to anyone who's suffering.....

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    Old 03-29-2006, 08:00 PM   #42
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    Medair, hope all is well. If my 2 cents count, then I agree with you that there is something sinister about this drug. Of course it effects different people in different ways, This drug has torn apart my life more than once and while I take full responsibility for my actions I must comment on how hard it can be to get help for ultram addiction. So many doctors have told me "just stop taking it" or "ultram isn't addictive" If you try to go to a traditional place for addiction I've found that most will not accept you, no matter what the amount (I was taking an absurd amount) because ultram is not catagorized as an addictive substance. And unfortunately I've come across addicts of other drugs who roll their eyes and say something like they wish theirs was a lighter drug like ultram. SIGH! I have been wondering as well if there is a way to get the information to all doctors that there have been many cases of ultram addiction, and not a lawsuit (wouldn't work even if I wanted it to, as I was not following the prscribed amount), but for the sake of those people out there who at risk of abusing this drug not realizing it CAN (not will) inprison you little at a time until it is way out of control. Anyway, that was a length two cents, but I still struggle with this real addiction everyday... Hugs to all out there that need it....

     
    Old 03-29-2006, 08:10 PM   #43
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    Has anyone experienced weight gain as a side effect from taking Ultram?

     
    Old 03-30-2006, 03:13 AM   #44
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    nether heard of that on all my time on the boards, although I have heard of people getting sugar craving from pure opiates so I guess it's quite possible.

     
    Old 04-24-2006, 09:29 AM   #45
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    good Morning to the wonderful people. Your infromation is so valuble. I hope you can answer my questions related to my 21 year ol Daughter. She was in rehab for an painpill addiction. Her DOC was oxycodne. It all started when she had 25 sinus surgeries since 7th grade. She had some good years and then some very bad ones. Last year we took her to a pain management specilists who put her on oxycodone. After taking these for about 3 months she came to us and said she felt she was becoming addicted to them. She didn't want them anymore but said when she tried to not take them she was having bad withdrawls. She went to an inpatient facility for a week and did very well. Esp, with one on one counsling

    The next fall and spring semester she was doing very well. Has a new boyfriend and made lots of friends. Then in Jan, 2006 she had to have 4 wisdom teeth dug out. They gave her ultram for that as it is not a narcotic. Then 1 month later she went to Florida for spring break and got sun poisoning. She had 2nd degree burn on both legs. Again they gave her ultram because of it not being addicting. A month after that she fell and has a bulding disk on c 5-6 with mild DDD. Pretty painful. Ulram was again prescribed.

    About two weeks ago she started reading everything she could about ULtram and was scared to death about what she read. So after taking 8 pills a day for 3-4 months she just quit cold turkey. She is on Topomax so she hasn't had any seizures. She did pretty good until the last week when she started having severe anxiety. All the symptoms IE fast heart rate (100-150) face feels hot all the time, shakey, pressure headache, Can't sleep. as well as think. She says it feels like when she detoxed off of oxycodone.

    I thought it was a little wierd that the withdrawls wouldn't start for a week but that it is doing. I took her to the doctor and he upped her Zoloft to 150mg a day and gave her 1mg ativan for severe anxiety/panic attacks. I am going to call him to day to see if Klonipin .5mg three times a day would help to get her out of the withdrawl state. I think she will need something like that to get her through the last couple of weeks of finals/school.

    Can anyone here tell me if you can have ultram withdrawls a week after taking the last pill. She took 50mg tablets 5-6 times a day. How long do these horrible withdrawls last? Any information would be appreciated. Thanks

     
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