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    Old 02-27-2007, 03:26 PM   #1
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    Tossed Out By My Pain Management Doctor Today!

    Well, I must say that today has been one of the most humiliating experiences of my life. I was made to feel like a dirty, sneaky, deceiving common street addict at my doctor's office.

    I had an appointment this morning with my pain management doctor which started out well. The doctor was discussing what he thought needed to be done to permanently fix the problem in my spine so that I may be finally pain-free. After he left the room, the nurse came in and said that the doctor was not going to prescribe any more pain meds for me because, according to his records, I was getting drugs from multiple doctors and was abusing the system. I was shocked... I have NEVER doctor shopped and did not know what they were talking about. The doctor must have overheard me challenging the nurse's statements, because he came back in with a clipboard containing prescription records from my insurance company. He started to read how I got a prescription of 50 hydrocodone from a different doctor last July while under HIS care. I told him that was where I was in the emergency room for severe pain and I was undergoing all sorts of tests on my kidneys, liver... etc. The hydrocodone had been prescribed by my PRIMARY CARE physician. I had already given her full disclosure of the drugs that my pain management doctor was prescribing (which at the time was just darvocet and soma). The primary care doctor felt I needed something a bit stronger for the pain I was dealing with than the darvocet and gave me the 50 hydrocodone.

    I explained all this today to the pain management doctor, but he by then had already made up his mind about me and said I was abusing the system. Now if I wanted to sneak around and doctor shop, would I be stupid enough to submit he script to my insurance company for processing????? And WHY was something that happened LAST JULY being thrown in my face TODAY????

    It appears the pain doctor no longer wishes to see me. He flat out told me he will not prescribe anything at all. I feel I am being persecuted for doing nothing wrong.


    On the flip side of this mess, I did not tell the doctor that I have fully braced myself for a cold-turkey detox from all this crap that HE ALONE has been prescribing to me for the past year. HE is the one that has me on hydrocodone AND darvocet at the same time. I know I have become physically addicted to the narcotics,.....but is it possible for anyone to take this garbage for over 2 years and NOT get addicted?????

    The doctor did not know I have planned on stopping the meds of my own choice. Had I planned on a continued pain med-maintenance program, his actions today would have thrown me into an involuntary cold turkey withdrawl. Luckily I DO still have some of the meds in my possession to try to get somewhat tapered before my March 9 planned self-induced detox, otherwise I would be in a fine mess.
    I did not know that the doctors could just do what he is doing. He never once today made any sort of comments about what I will face without any of the pain meds in my system. If I was naive to the reality of withdrawl, I would probably end up in the emergency room once the withdrawlsb struck in full force.

    I am furious that there is probably some terrible mark in my medical record labeling me as a drug abusing doctor-shopping addict. NONE of this is true. I have taken no more than the meds that were prescribed to me by HIM.

    What will happen in the future if I have any serious medical situation requiring the administration of pain medication>??? Do I have any recourse to clear my name?

    I was worried about my planned detox, now I am truly devastated.....

    --Lou

     
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    Old 02-27-2007, 03:32 PM   #2
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    OMG, I just wanted to say :hugs: to you through this difficult time...Dr's can be what we think our are "best friends" and then just be azzez other times...I am so sorry that he made you feel that way for no reason....I hope that things get better for you and I am glad to hear that you are planning a self detox!! Great news! Gl to you and I wish you the best!!!

     
    Old 02-27-2007, 03:36 PM   #3
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    How absolutely mortifying! I can understand exactly your position though...the dr that was RXing my hydro cut me off cold turkey too. She said she had gotten a letter from the DEA for overprescribing to me. I don't know what that means (or even if it's true). I thought it was extremely odd though...She had Rxd approx 200 in a 3 month period. I always took them as RX'd---actually less than if you want to be technical...I took 1-3 per day. I was absolutely horrified. I wonder if there is some "file" on me with the DEA!! I wasn't getting meds from any other doc either. If anyone has any info on this process (pharmacies, doctors, ins companies, DEA "red flagging" patients) please post a reply here because this too has really, really bothered me.

     
    Old 02-27-2007, 04:41 PM   #4
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    The DEA was actually getting on the doctor, not you. they monitor what doctors prescribe because sooooo many doctors are over-prescribing and people are getting hooked. Tooo bad the DEA didn't catch on sooner, you might not be addicted. They were telling that doc she/he better watch out before they lose their license. you're prob not the only patient she/he has done this too. I might even report her to the medical board if i were you......
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    Old 02-27-2007, 04:50 PM   #5
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    How does the DEA get prescription records??? Do they get your name and a list of the meds you are taking? Isn't that against the law? It really seems to be too "big-brotherish" to me.

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    Old 02-27-2007, 05:03 PM   #6
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    Wow, that is scary. I have always went to the same docter, but have gotten vicodin from dentist and gynos for operations and from work comp for operations. Who knew theyd get so mad, I dont entirley overdo, I get 60 ultram a month, too and try to save those for the week I seem to run out of vicodin. Im out now and have 6 ultam, till friday. Question is do I take them now or tomorrow and feel decent and suffer for the other 2 days. LOL. Gotta hate life sometimes. Im doing alot better, right after ex-husband was murdered was going through my scripts in 1-2 weeks then coming off them CT. My husband finally put his foot down so slowed way down, or it was really gonna start effecting my marriage. I would have a heart attack if they just cut me off.

     
    Old 02-27-2007, 05:03 PM   #7
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    Flint-Thanks for clarifying that...I was mortified that the Government had my RX records and that somehow, I was "flagged" in some system now and forever! I need a new dr for sure because 1) you are absolutely right that she shouldn't have kept refilling for so long, but I am culpible too...I whined that I needed them---which I did---I was addicted by then! 2) she should have recognized that I was in trouble and rather than panic because of the "DEA letter", she should have helped me by tapering me or something vs just saying no, can't...because of you, I'm being investigated by the DEA. Nice, huh? Well, it was all a blessing in the end because I got off those nasty, evil pills and will never ever allow myself another...if I have a legit need again for pain (surgery), they'll just have to RX something else...I cannot take another vic...I'll be right back where I was. I am just thankful it ended when it did...to that point, I wasn't doing anything "illegal"! Who knows, if I'd been on them much longer and then had them taken away, I probably would have been a dr shopper, internet orderer or whatever...I was and am an addict and will always be. I know that. I just thought that whole guilt trip about the DEA investigating her because of me was so unprofessional and you are right, she was probably being looked at for other patients too. I'm reassured to know that I'm not red flagged at the pharmacy or the dea.

     
    Old 02-27-2007, 05:05 PM   #8
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    Hi there...First of all I just want to say that i'm sorry for what you are going through...granted there are many good/great doctors out there, but there are also just as many bad one's as well. Many more nowadays seem to be nothing but drug dealers with medical degrees and nice little white overcoats...such as mine was because of how all of the drugs are being manufactured and marketed to get us all hooked. Such a hypocrytical system isn't it? Keep in mind that everytime we filled our prescriptions all of the doctors got a nice little check from the pharmaceutical company....funny how that works. I understand how you feel because he was the one who got you addicted and he knew it and now he wants to give you a lecture... Well all I have to say my friend is don't feel bad..what goes around comes around

     
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    Also I have been on them through my present docter for almost 5 years now. So why would your doctor be getting in so much trouble for 1 year. I get 90 a month, no more no less. He says he will never up my meds. He is my Primary care docter though. Unless you werent the problem and your doctor was just panicing.

     
    Old 02-28-2007, 03:48 AM   #10
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    Also I have been on them through my present docter for almost 5 years now. So why would your doctor be getting in so much trouble for 1 year. I get 90 a month, no more no less. He says he will never up my meds. He is my Primary care docter though. Unless you werent the problem and your doctor was just panicing.
    I agree! I have been on Vicodin for almost 3 years now for a herniated disc. My doctor prescribes 120 pills per month and that is more than enough to get me through! I think this particular doctor is probably more concerned for his license more than anything. I am a pharmacy technician and believe me, the government is very strict about controlled drugs! It's sad though that people who really need these meds are treated like common trash just because people who really don't need them are abusing!

     
    Old 02-28-2007, 04:02 AM   #11
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    How absolutely mortifying! I can understand exactly your position though...the dr that was RXing my hydro cut me off cold turkey too. She said she had gotten a letter from the DEA for overprescribing to me. I don't know what that means (or even if it's true). I thought it was extremely odd though...She had Rxd approx 200 in a 3 month period. I always took them as RX'd---actually less than if you want to be technical...I took 1-3 per day. I was absolutely horrified. I wonder if there is some "file" on me with the DEA!! I wasn't getting meds from any other doc either. If anyone has any info on this process (pharmacies, doctors, ins companies, DEA "red flagging" patients) please post a reply here because this too has really, really bothered me.
    I don't know where everyone is from, but here in the great Commonwealth of KY, they have a rx monitoring system statewide that tracks every script you fill in the state. This may/may not be the case for your state, but that's how it works here in the Land of the Free...lol!

    Sorry to hear your troubles, though.

    God Bless!

     
    Old 02-28-2007, 05:52 AM   #12
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    did you actually sign a contract with this paindoc at anytime that stated what would happen if you obtained narcotics from anyone but him?the thing is the PM HAS to be notified before or very shortly thereafter of any narcotics being Rxed to you by another doc.this is right in my pain contract.i have had to have other narcotics Rxed for surgeries by my surgeon but i made dang sure that my PM was fully aware of this and my surgeon was also aware of my other pain meds i was on at that time too.its just full disclosure.
    but this incident sounds like there was more to it than just this.does this doc have some other issue with you over some stupid little thing or is there any other Rxs that were not obtained thru him?i am just wondering since this really sounds a bit harsh to just go and dismiss you over one incident that was an emergent type of situation.alot of what actually takes place in this type of situation is the trust level between the patient and doc and whether or not there is an actual real honest relationship between them as to how this type of thing will play out.just this one incident really shouldn't be held against you tho since it was an emergent type of thing at the time.but then again,if you did indeed sign a contract and did not actually notify the PM about the Rx,well,its kind of a crap shoot as to what would play out there ya know?this doc may be feeling pressure from other sources like the DEA for example.

    the biggest thing that the DEA wants to see is the justification for the actual rxing,and this comes down to just how well the actual doc documents your visits and explains your pain issues in your records.this is really what the DEA looks at.people can be dismissed from a PM just because a doc does not take the appropriate amount of time to fully document the need for the "over Rxing' or how they see it that way,you know what i mean?this could be part of the issue with you too,you never know.if i were you,i would contact this PMs record dept and request copies of your medical records just to see what is actually in there as far as documentation of your need for meds.this could also reveal other issues as well.there are always mistakes made in peoples records for various reasons.i found tons of errors in alot of my actual medical records from various specialists i had to see for my spinal cord injuries.some of these were rather big boo boos too.i was applying for disability at the time and some of the wrong crap in these records was actually hurting my chances because they didn't even contain basic actual Dx of syndromes and other things i had been Dxed with.everyone should obtain their own records every once in a while just to see what is actually in them and if the info is even all correct.there is just too much room for errors during many phases of the actual medical record docmuntation.the transcriber can really screw things up too.it wouldn't hurt to get those records and see for yourself what this doc has actually even documented on your pain and treatments.you just need to see them for yourself.

    i do wish you luck.marcia
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    I never had any sort of contract with this pain management doctor. I have heard others on this forum mention about "violating" their pain contract and losing their pain management doctor because of failing a urine test or having the wrong pill count left in their bottles..etc. NOTHING like this has ever been discussed with me. I was referred to the pain management doctor because my spinal surgery did not offer me the pain relief that was expected and immediately began treatment regimens. End if story...and now I hit this brick wall that has left me totally flabbergasted . I have a good mind to go back in the office, demand to speak to the doctor again, and tell him exactly how I am feeling. Yesterday when this was sprung on me., I was stunned and really had very little "come back". I ended up just leaving, which I am sure made me look exactly like the sneaky busted doctor shopper that this guy thinks I am. But will a doctor just agree to sit and talk for a few minutes...not a scheduled "appointment" per se....just a "clear the air" conversation.
    I don't know whether to look at this as a blessing and sign from higher up that it truly IS time to end this mess, or whether I should fight to restore my honor,.....

    -LOU

     
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    Feelbad:

    It is so true what you are saying. I had my family doc, who treated my pain for a while, send me my records, and there were OTHER PATIENTS' records mixed in with mine. If a doc wasn't paying close attention, they would think I was an 87 year old woman on all kinds of stuff I've never even heard of.

    You offer good advice there.

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    "I don't know whether to look at this as a blessing and sign from higher up that it truly IS time to end this mess, or whether I should fight to restore my honor,.....

    -LOU"


    Hello Lou

    I can't tell you the number of times I wanted to jump in here on this thread, but kept feeling my words might be inappropriate.

    I heartily agree that you have been wronged by this doctor. I think you got caught in the middle of some protocol and warning systems. But everybody had a right to rebuttal time. And you have a right to your dignity. And yes, if I were in your shoes, I would certainly make an attempt to have this doctor listen to, and hopefully, understand the truth of what has actually transpired. He has been unfair and judgemental. And I think he has used the situation to put aside his own legal culpability.... those who prescribe the meds also have an ethical and legal obligation to help the patient off the meds.

    But putting that all aside for just this moment... my other strong feeling, which made me hesitant to post, is that some "intervention" is taking place in the form of a blessing that could be seen as "in disguise." Your source has been cut off at the moment, you have already made a plan to stop cold turkey in March, and maybe this has all been a part of the plan before you even conceived it.

    I do think at some point you will need to confront this guy, if even just for the comfort it may give you to speak your piece. Not sure when that should happen. That is surely your decision. What I hope for you is that you can use the situation to your own benefit and always keep in mind that, first and foremost, your fight is to get off the drug. All else is secondary right now and can be fought as you feel capable.

    I am rooting for you. Stay strong, stay convicted.

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