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    Old 04-06-2007, 01:50 PM   #1
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    Question Help I am confused about Tramadol ultram

    I've been taking Tramadol (Ultram) for nearly three years. Never really thought much of it, just took it on a daily basis mostly in the AM. This past January I started an antidepressant which increased my anxiety and pain levels. I have fibromyalgia. Throughout the next months, my Dr, increased the dosage of the anti-dep thinking perhaps the pain was being caused by anxiety. With each increase my pain heightened to levels off the 1-10 ratio. He stopped the antidepressant cold turkey and I was on a high dose but it had to be done. the following week i had another appt. The doctor put me on some weird nonpain med and said the pain would be gone by last Sunday. I found out while checking out at the office desk that day, my Ultram was being discontinued. This is where you get med refills. I wasn't really concerned at the time. I only took it once a day and never thought of it as an addictive drug. Plus at the time I was more concerned about the other drug that did not agree with my sysyem, not taking Ultram was trivial to me. Well, the days that followed, I never seen coming. Antidepressant withdrawal??, ultram withrawal? Something bad was going on and I had no control of it. It started with severe depression but the pain started to subside at first. That was short lived. To make matters worse, my DR. went on vacation for two weeks and nobody is willing or able to help. When I called for help, I never asked for meds, I have plenty left over. I just wanted answers. answers to why I am so sick, why my brain feels electric shocks, why I can't sleep, why my muscles are going from feeling itchy to severe spasms. It's been over a week now and I am confused and scared. I am going through some really strange unpleasant things. I am in so much pain I can not stand. It is difficult typing this. What is happening? I feel this is a no win situation. I go back on Ultram, I feel like I failed at stopping a drug. If I continie to stay away from it I feel like i am going to lose it. I am very confused. I can not handle the pain and the isolation from being cooped up. Has anyone ever had this happen to them?? I hope I don't seem like a nut, I am not. I am scared.

     
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    Old 04-06-2007, 02:02 PM   #2
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    Re: Help I am confused about Tramadol ultram

    Am I in the right message board area? If not would someone point me in the right direction. thank you.

     
    Old 04-06-2007, 03:01 PM   #3
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    Re: Help I am confused about Tramadol ultram

    Redhead-
    You are on the right board, but sometimes it takes a little bit to get a response. Through no fault of your own, your body has become dependant on those meds, and if I understand correctly, your doctor stopped you cold turkey on two meds at the same time. In my opinion, this wasn't the best thing in the world to do- especially since he didn't prepare you for what to expect physically and emotionally, and then, on top of that- leaving for vacation so you aren't even able to speak with him to get some answers to your questions.

    It sounds like you didn't abuse the meds at all, but this is simply a case of your body being dependant on them. I know this is scary for you. I am so sorry you are having to go through this without even being able to get any help or support, or even answers from the doctor. He should have at least let you know what to expect, and should have made some kind of arrangements for someone to be available to consult with you in the event you needed them.

    Keep checking back, other people will see this and respond. I'm sending positive thoughts your way sweetie. Take care.

     
    Old 04-06-2007, 04:21 PM   #4
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    Re: Help I am confused about Tramadol ultram

    I am new here myself and I am by far no expert on any of this- I am learning things the hard way as I continue down this new path that life has led me to and I am probably going to end up sounding like a broken record but I can attest that physical activity really does help. I have found walking really, really helps and trust me when I say that it took every ounce of energy I had left in me to actually get up and do it but am I glad I did- its almost like a new addiction for me
    I am hoping to adopt a healthy lifestyle and maintain it even after all the horror of going through this very difficult time in my life and what keeps me going is the thought of how good I am eventually going to feel when I finally get there- its been a long road getting to this point and I absolutely understand it is going to be an even longer road to achieve my goal but in the meantime I am going to keep up the walking and stay as positive as possible.
    You should try some type of physical activity- It will make you feel better.
    Never lose hope and most of all stay positive.
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    Old 04-06-2007, 10:01 PM   #5
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    Re: Help I am confused about Tramadol ultram

    Hello! I just stopped taking Tramadol 1 month ago and went through severe withdrawals. You can click on my user name and look at my previous posts. I started posting here the night that I discontinued use.

    Tramadol plus anti-depressants is really a bad idea. They both raise serotonin levels in the brain and you can get serotonin syndrome. You can look this up on a search engine.

    You may want to think about changing doctors. To first put you on an anti-depressant while taking Tramadol and then to take you off cold turkey is very dangerous. He is really messing with your brain chemicals. It doesn't sound like he knows the dangers of anti-depressants and how to put a person on one safely and then take them off safely.

    Do a bit of research and then, maybe, find a new dr.

     
    Old 04-06-2007, 11:23 PM   #6
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    Re: Help I am confused about Tramadol ultram

    That sounds absolutely terrible- I really feel bad for you and I'm so sorry that you have to go through this. I agree w/ flushed, I think you should find a new doctor, but when you go in make sure you tell them everything so they can treat you appropriately. Hang in there and keep posting... we will respond
    Oh! ps... try the home detox plan, it can really be helpful.

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    Old 04-08-2007, 07:29 AM   #7
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    Re: Help I am confused about Tramadol ultram

    Thank you so much for your support and replying. I am so so sorry to say I had to go back on ULTRAM. I could not handle the pain. I was already off it 8 days but the pain did not get better as time passed, it got worse. I was and still am very scared. So, this is what I did. I took my Ultram prescription bottle out, looked at it and cried. I took the 2 pills I normally did in the past and put them on the TV tray next to me. I just stared at them, I was so afraid of them and at the same time so disappointed in myself. I kept thinking, "I am so weak, I am not strong enough to make it through the pain." "I kept thinking what if I am wrong and it is NOT withdrawal pain and then I will be even more confused after I take these pills." I was so torn but I gave into the pain. I took those two pills. I have come to the conclusion that pills own me. I am now so afraid of what they have done to me but yet I am so confused. The doctor I put all my trust in wasn't straight forward with me. Sorry to say, however, he owns me too. I have a complicated pain condition. This doctor is a neurologist and pain management doctor. In the past, when I tried seeing other doctors, they would say something like, you need a specialist or this is out of my expertise, or I've never heard of that before. My neurologist /pain DR was and is the only Dr in my area who knows about my condition. This is also very troubling to me. He goes on vacation, and my life gets put on hold with days of anxiety building, wondering what is going on ?
    Oh, I wanted to say thank you about the reply about the Serotonin Syndrome. I will look it up. Also, Thank you to ALL who replied. I don't feel as alone now.
    I am hoping some you very nice and knowledgeable people can help me with some questions because I still have pain eventhough I have been back on Tramadol Ultram for two days. It is burning pain. The other symptoms like brain zaps, nausea have lessoned. I am taking 2 tablets 2x per day. My bottle says I can take more but I will not do this because I did not do it in the past. I am trying to get back to where I was before the High Doses of an antidep threw me into a tail spin. It seems, however, my body does not know what to do with Ultram anymore.
    Is it still possible I have too much Serotonin?
    Does it take a while for the pain recepters to adjust? In other words, Does my blood level have to build back up again in regards to Tramadol?
    What about the antidepressant I was taken off 3 weeks ago? Is it possible my body is still reacting to it?
    Any input would be so appreciated.

    Thank you so so much.

     
    Old 04-08-2007, 11:44 AM   #8
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    Re: Help I am confused about Tramadol ultram

    Serotonin Syndrome makes sense. How do I fix this? Did I mention my doctor put me on Seroquel the same time he took me off the 90mgs of Cymbalta? He told me it would help with anxiety. I have no psychotic mood disorders. I have Fibromyalgia which is a pain disorder. I am so confused as to what is helping and what is not. Am I in danger because of all this serotonin stuff? I know I can not stay on the tramadol. I did not realize that a high dose of antidepressant medication could stay in your body this long? 3 weeks? why did my doctor tell me about this? I complained of increased muscle pain and anxiety after I took Cymbalta. He just kept raising the dose. When it got to the point where I could no longer drive, my husband had to take me to the appt. He then discontinued it. Now it's not surprising why he took me off so quickly and also discontinued the Tramadol. I need help from a professional and i do not know where to go. I am scared.

     
    Old 04-08-2007, 09:59 PM   #9
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    Dear Flushed...You've received excellent advice about seeking another Dr. Ultram & Serotonin Specific Reuptake Inhibitors (anti-depressant) ie)Cymbalta are never a good idea to mix and if they are should be very closely monitored. Cymbalta at 90mg is 3/4 of the max therapeutic dose and with the ultram very likely caused you the muscle probs you had...The poster who mentioned Serotonin Syndrome is correct. Also you might have experienced a rapid heart rate and increased anxiety. Then to abruptly discontinue the Ultram and not replace it with another pain management agent can be very scary & irresponsible...Seek a physician who has better knowledge of drug interactions or ask your pharmacist. Take Care & God Bless----SD

     
    Old 04-09-2007, 10:45 AM   #10
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    I am so sorry that you are having such a rough time. Did the Tramadol help your fibro? I am sure that going off of the Tram was really unbearable for you because I don't have fibro and every muscle in my body aches this last week. I am sure that my brain is still re-balancing itself and sending out pain messages to "trick" me into taking some Tram. So, fibro is so incredibly painful that I can't imagine the pain you must be feeling with the fibro + pain messages. If the tram helps, I don't see the harm in continuing it for legitimate pain. Maybe stay on it and discontinue the anti-depressants?

    If I were you, I would really educate myself on the meds you take and what they do to your brain. If you can't get another Dr., you can then go into your existing Dr. educated. If he gives you a new med. research it before you take it and if you don't like what you are reading, call him and ask for something else.

    Okay, so now if I were you (LOL), your seretonin is messed up in your brain. This Dr. is taking you on and off of seretonin altering meds. I would taper down on the seretonin altering stuff, but don't halt all of it all at once. Decide what you want to take- the Tram or an anti-depressant with some other pain management pill other than Tram. The one that you don't want to take, wean off of it-- slowly. Research what you should do-- I don't know how to do it. I was taking 1 50mg. Tram 3x per day. I quit cold turkey and it was pretty rough but I did it-- however, I don't have fibro.

    Let me know how you are doing. I really feel for you and I pray that you find a solution that you are comfortable with.

    ((Hugs))

     
    Old 04-17-2007, 07:58 PM   #11
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    Hello All...I am new here...I had been on opiates for 5years .from a car accident..got all the way up to Oxycontin and Fetanyl patches (not good) I went to rehab (twice) and have gotten down to 1 ultram a day (the regular 50 mg pill) but if I go longer than 24 hours I ache so bad I cant stop squirming around, no sleep and the just a horrific experience...does anyone know why at such a low dose that I am having such an issue? I take nothing else...would Advil get me through from this point because I am so low? I am in grad school and have finals in 2 weeks so I cant afford to not be "on point" ....I no longer suffer from the pain and I want off of it!

    Thanks for anyones help out there

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    Old 04-17-2007, 08:15 PM   #12
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    Hello All...I am new here...I had been on opiates for 5years .from a car accident..got all the way up to Oxycontin and Fetanyl patches (not good) I went to rehab (twice) and have gotten down to 1 ultram a day (the regular 50 mg pill) but if I go longer than 24 hours I ache so bad I cant stop squirming around, no sleep and the just a horrific experience...does anyone know why at such a low dose that I am having such an issue? I take nothing else...would Advil get me through from this point because I am so low? I am in grad school and have finals in 2 weeks so I cant afford to not be "on point" ....I no longer suffer from the pain and I want off of it!

    Thanks for anyones help out there

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    Old 04-18-2007, 09:04 AM   #13
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    Hello Raccoon! When I stopped I was taking 3 50mg per day and the withdrawals were horrible. What you describe sounds like withdrawals. I am not sure if your withdrawals will be lessened because you are at a low dose. If you want to get off of it, maybe it would be a good idea to wait until your school is out.

    It's tough but I have been off of them for 7 weeks and I feel fabulous.

    Good luck!!

     
    Old 05-10-2007, 06:08 PM   #14
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    You are having withdrawal from both the Anti depressant and the Tramadol. It was very irrisponsible for your doc to not taper you from both of those drugs and then to become inaccessible for help. I feel your pain. I have withdrawn from both of these types of drugs and it was horrible. Get to another doctor quick. There are ways to help you get over this.

    Good luck

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    Old 05-13-2007, 12:14 AM   #15
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    yeah i feel you. i was in law school for two years and got kicked out b/c i was on methadone and couldn't even crack a book b/c i was nodding out all the time. i got 'all the way' down to one ultram/ day but couldn't even kick that b/c the chils were so bad. eventually i just went back on the methadone. i have been on suboxone for 2-5 mos now and am doing great. don't let anyone ever tell you you aren't clean b/c you take a perscription correctly, but on the other hand, you have to be honest with yourself. nothing, even getting thruogh school, is worth dying for.

     
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