It appears you have not yet Signed Up with our community. To Sign Up for free, please click here....



Addiction & Recovery Message Board

  • man, what did i do?please read



  • Post New Thread   Closed Thread
    Thread Tools Search this Thread
    Old 08-26-2007, 04:46 AM   #1
    cam724
    Member
    (female)
     
    cam724's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Sep 2006
    Location: massachusetts
    Posts: 62
    cam724 HB User
    Unhappy man, what did i do?please read

    so i was suppose to "taper" off the percocets, i got 18 from my doc and the were suppose to last nine days.....they only lasted 4.....i have 3 left, i did not taper and now i am screwed.....i just cant taper, when they are right here.....i guess i am going cold turkey because i have no doctor that will keep prescribing for me....(they all say i am too young...27) but i am not too young to have this back issue...then he gives me soma and i have read some crappy stuff about that....i have my immodium and xanax and a couple valium, man i hope the w/d's aren;t bad, i have 2 little kids...this sux

     
    Sponsors Lightbulb
       
    Old 08-26-2007, 05:17 AM   #2
    makinit
    Junior Member
    (male)
     
    makinit's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Jan 2006
    Location: summerfield, flordia, U.S.
    Posts: 49
    makinit HB User
    Re: man, what did i do?please read

    Ouote: "MAN WHAT DID I DO?" You didn't taper! Like I posted before, you can do this detox cold turkey. Your not on such a high dose, so use the home detox plan and get it over with. Don't forget the most important part of aftercare program or you will find yourself back with the same issue. Cam, I know it is a scary thing but you can do this.

    Post Sample Home Detox Plan
    SAMPLE HOME DETOX RESCUE OPTIONS

    Substance Abuse in any form substantially depletes your body of nutrients. In order to be effective during WDs most people state they needed to increase doseage levels beyond the recommend dose level; some substantially. Levels are for intensity of Detox WDs; post-detox WDs would be less. Use your own judgment about your needs and what you feel is best for you and what you are comfortable with and customize your own detox list to your preferences/needs. These things may help lessen WDs; others have reported good success.

    What Symptoms To Expect
    Vicodin has a half-life of 4-8 hours; therefore, WDs will begin for most between 8-16 hours after last dose taken. Most people express that detox feels like the worst flu they have ever had in their life. You will likely experience severe achy joints, weakness, restless legs syndrome, headaches, lack of clarity in thought, irritability-does not play well with others, severe “coffee jitters” to the extent that it is difficult to sit still and some experience involuntary muscle twitches, general feeling of “the all overs”, nausea but most do not report vomiting, and most report diarrhea. WDs will increasingly worsen up to about days 3-4 and then begin to turn the corner and stabilize.

    It is best to plan your detox needs and shop in advance of starting. When you externally provide the body with chemicals that alter the brain, the body reads the signal and reacts by stopping its own natural production levels. So, when you cold turkey stop the external source, it jolts your body and whiplashes your system into wakeup mode. All those little workers have been snoozing for however long you have been administering the external supply source. Now the alarm bells are ringing all throughout your system, and they are running around like keystone cops screaming “oh ******!!!!” They will get back on the job for you again, but it takes a while for them to get synchronized and functioning efficiently again.

    1-2 weeks Ahead of Planned Detox
    If possible, plan your detox 1-2 weeks ahead and commence with the Multi-Vitamin, Multi-Mineral, B-Complex 100mg, Zinc (pain-take only after eating food), & St. John's Wort (depression; but do NOT take if you are taking SSRIs) to build a solid base level BEFORE you start the detox. Many who have not built a solid base in advance have reported a more difficult time during detox. It took them a minimum of 1 week to achieve maximum relief level when days 1-4 are likely to be your worst WD days during detox. You may not feel depression now, but detox WDs usually results in the onset of depression until your body acclimates and can regulate itself. Building a nutriment base BEFORE detox will help lessen WDs and lessen the level of additional supplements you will need to help you cope. Waiting til you are actually in WDs to start taking supplements will mean that the supplements will be less effective and you will likely need substantially increased levels.

    About Work
    You should plan to take time off work to detox, usually a week. Options on work are plan to take off or call in sick with the flu, or the hybrid plan is time detox where you take last pill late the night before, go to work jittery and leave work early “with flu”---since you went home sick w/flu no one will be terribly surprised when you aren’t able to make it in most, if not all, of the following week.

    During days 1-2 (and possibly day 3)
    Most detoxers say it is best if you can try to sleep as much as you can during the first couple of days at least. Nyquil, Benadryl (not w/Benzodiazepine Detox!), Valerian Root, 5HTP (do not exceed 300mg daily) are types of things that may help you to sleep. Select other things from the OTC Options list as needed use other things from the list.

    Days 3-5
    You will likely start to stabilize. When you feel that you are starting to level off begin the L-Tyrosine/B6/D-Phenylalanine/Sublingual B-Complex w/B-12 to help w/pain and energy.

    THINGS THAT MAY HELP

    -HOT baths several times a day to help with aches; add Epsom Salts or vingear

    -Heating Pad & warm blankets to keep muscles warm and relaxed.

    -Hot Rice Socks for muscle warmers. Fill cotton socks w/rice, stretch and leave room on ends to loop and self tie sock end. Heat rice socks in microwave for approximately 2 min. Heat check & apply to achey areas.

    -Keep nourished; drink lots of water: Add 1 tablespoon of Apple Cider Vinegar for body PH rebalancing & pain; and if you can, add 1 tablespoon Honey for energy

    -Relaxation Exercise to help lessen muscle cramping ,pain, & restless legs syndrome, EASY exercise regimine to activate your own natural endorphins & dopamine to help w/pain, While in bed work your muscles-tighten the muscles in your entire body all at once as hard as you can---hold it for several seconds(hold breath)---slowly release muscles and breath. Do entire body 5 times and then repeat doing one area at time--both legs then both arms-then low back/abdomen area; repeat cycle/one leg-one arm, etc.

    SHOPPING LIST OPTIONS TO HAVE ON HAND DURING DETOX
    Print out list to shop and to use as a tool to track what you take & its effectiveness.

    Soup & Frozen Meals- enough for a few days

    Liquid Nutritionally Balanced Meals; e.g., Slim Fast or Ensure

    Gatorade (replaces electrolytes)

    Benadryl (50mg w/hydro; taper ease aide)

    Robitussin DXM-helps WDs; taper ease aide

    Tagamet-taper ease aide; slows absorption of Hydro

    Tylenol PM(but not w/Benzodiazepine Detox!)- during WDs you can take this during the day w/o it making you sleepy

    Imodium (4-6 hours after onset; first few hours let body purge toxin concentrates) [detoxers have posted that 4-6 tablets x3 daily substantially helped them not only control diahhreah, but also lessened WDs]

    Salonpas Patches For Muscle Pain

    Aspercreme For Joint Pain (does NOT have Aspirin in it)

    Airborne-3 boxes= (4 day supply @double doses3xdaily)

    Nyquil-2 bottles since you will need it both day & night for first 3-4 days (will help joint pain & sleep)

    Orange Juice w/Calcium-2 (will help joint pain & helps stabilize central nervous system)

    Oranges-Natural VitC and other nutrients

    Apples-Natural VitC and other nutrients

    Bananas-2 bunches (potassium source; eat 2-3 daily; will help joint pain &helps stabilize central nervous system)

    Sweet Potatoes-great nutrient source for VitA and other things; canned or fresh to cook-can be microwaved)

    Blue Berries-fresh or dried -Great antioxidant

    Spinach-Leafy Salad Mix, Frozen, or Canned (Vit. A-eat as much as you can)

    Mini Carrots (good VitA and fiber source)

    Green Tea-great antioxidant to help cleanse your system of toxins.

    Peppermint Tea & Peppermint Candy-Nausea

    Chammomile Tea-Sleep

    Hershey’s Dark Chocolate Bars-has antioxidant & central nervous system coping properties

    Zinc 50 or 60 mg (3xdaily ONLY W/FOOD; will substantially help joint pain)

    B-Complex 100 mg. (helps stabilize central nervous system)


    *L-Tyrosine [avoid if already taking any SSRI RX ](Health Food Store-will help joint pain & nerves) One hour before eating start w/2000 mgs; scale up/down based on how you feel up to 4,000 mgs. Take w/B-6 to help w/absorption. It will give you a surge of physical & mental energy that helps counteract malaise feeling. If you experience "coffee jitters" reduce to comfortable level.

    *5HTP 100mg 3xdaily-no more than 300 mg daily as it could create risk elevated seratonin levels[avoid if already taking any SSRI RX m]-Walmart for best price; otherwise pricey; helps joint pain & nerves)

    D-Phenylalanine (Health Food Store-helps joint pain) Compliments effectiveness of L-Tryosine and 5HTP

    B-6 (needed for aborption & effectiveness of L-Tyrosine/D-Phenylalaline)

    B-Complex w-B12 Sublingual Liquid Drops (Walmart-Spring Valley Line-key ingredient here is the B-12 which helps central nervous system & energy level. B-12 can only be absorbed by the body through natural dietary sources, injections, or liquid sublingual-under tongue

    Calcium (helps joint pain & nerves)

    *St. John's Wort [avoid if already taking any SSRI RX meds]-will help w/onset of depression which will also affect level of joint pain)

    Multi-Vitamin Formula (Costco/Sams/Walmart) -helps joint pain, nerves, and depression)

    Multi-Mineral Formula (Costco/Sams/Walmart) -helps joint pain, nerves, and depression)

    Valerian Root (Walmart-helps nerves; increase dose leves @night to help w/sleep)

    Hyland's Leg Cramps-Walmart-Homepathic Supplement has Quinine in it which helps w/leg syndrome; sublingual under tongue. RX levels of Quinine available from doctor.

    Fish Oil-OMEGA 3-Helps w/legs syndrome &pain

    [*These products impact serotonin levels and therefore if you are on any SSRI medications do NOT take these additional supplements as it could alter your RX medication]


    Take care of yourself!

     
    Old 08-26-2007, 07:58 AM   #3
    reachout
    Senior Veteran
    (female)
     
    Join Date: Dec 2006
    Posts: 3,409
    reachout HB Userreachout HB Userreachout HB Userreachout HB Userreachout HB Userreachout HB Userreachout HB Userreachout HB Userreachout HB Userreachout HB Userreachout HB User
    Re: man, what did i do?please read

    Hello Cam

    Honey, a taper can be very hard to do as you have already found out. It takes tremendous discipline, tremendous willpower, and it takes someone to help with the destribution of the meds.. someone who can hold them for you responsibly and give them to you on a schedule. The same a no one can cold turkey all by themselves, no one doses a successful taper solo.

    Perhaps the dosages you were on initially were not as hig as some, the truth is that in a taper, the lower we get on dosage, the more difficult it becomes. when I got down to 3-4 tabs a day of oxycodone, I really wne t slow with the cuts... started cutting by quarter tablets and in the very end by eighths. My hubby started doling them out one at a time during these days and kept a log on how many tabs, or pieces of tabs I would need.

    The post by makinit is a good one if you choose to go coldturkey. However, we each need to choose a plan that is most workable for us as individuals. Please, please go back to the doctor tomorrow morning, tell him exactly what has happened and that you do not seem able to take only the prescibed amount on schedule. Talkl it out with him and together come up with a workable plan about doling out the meds.

    I would be remiss if I do not warn you about counting on the Xanax and Valium.... if you are depending on them to get through the opaite detox, a bigger problem than the huge one right now is looming on the horizon. Benzos will catch hold of you in just days and the withdrawal from them MUST be a taper and having gone through both an opiate and a benzo taper, I can tell you from experience, benzos are wickedly hard to withdraw from. Wickedly. They can almost make opiate withdrawal seem like a cakewalk in comparison.

    Makinit is so very right... you need to be in a support setting. Therapist, NA, AA. This is not like the movie where the guy locks himself in a hotel room for a week and detoxes and cures himself from alcoholism. The reality is is that detox and recovery is a tremendously long process that requires lots and lots of help.

    Call your doctor in the morning and ask for an emergency visit. get the help.
    reach

     
    Old 08-26-2007, 10:35 AM   #4
    Lou1
    Member
    (male)
     
    Lou1's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Aug 2007
    Location: Orlando, FL
    Posts: 83
    Lou1 HB User
    Re: man, what did i do?please read

    Hello,
    As someone who has been down the exact road you are travelling, I can make a few informed comments and suggestions for you. I too was not able to taper successfully....and Lordy knows I tried. But that evil addiction demon always surfaced and coerced me into taking more than Iplanned...."Tomorrow, I will do better"...was always my saying. But, tomorrow never came.
    I had gone to my prescribing doctor, giving him full disclosure on my drug useage and feeling of being addicted. He worked out a weaning schedule which I promptly screwed up and wound up in a worse mess.
    So, I finally decided that the only way I could get off this nightmare train-wreck was to go cold turkey. I enlisted the help of my primary care doctor (not the pain management doctor who had prescribed all the crap). She was wonderful and put me on Clonidine, a blood pressure medicine that is a MIRACLE in holding the withdrawals at bay...especially the PHYSICAL symptoms (sweats, chills, nausea, diahrrea). The EMOTIONAL aspect of withdrawal was still there and this ultimately was my most difficult to overcome. I had extreme anxiety, so the doctor prescribed Klonopin. Taken for the realtively short time that the actual detox lasts (about 2 weeks)...this medication is not bad. But, I ended up on it for over two months and had to go through a withdrawal episode from the Klonopin after successfully detoxing off the hydros. SO, if you DO see a doctor to enlist their help in getting you through this (which I STRONGLY recommend), do not stay on any benzo for more than a week or two at the most. If you already take Xanax, as your initial post indicated, you certainly do not want to add any other benzo to the mix.
    As others have already posted, the Sample Detox is a life saver. I followed most of the suggestions to a T and this helped immensely in lessening the severity of the physical symptoms. I swore by the Valerian Root....I never had any sleep depravation issues during my detox....a VERY COMMON problem for folks coming off narcotics. But, do not take this or St Johns Wort if you take any SSRI's (ie Paxil, Zoloft, Lexapro...etc)..there can be serious complication issues.
    My detox (that is the physical withdrawals) lasted just under two weeks....with the first week being the worst. BUT, as the indomitable "Reach" has attested to so many times, enduring a couple weeks of misery is worth the lifetime of recovery you can attain by getting off the pills.
    The MOST important thing that I think saved me and pulled me through the worst moments was 1) communicating on this board and sharing....releasing those feelings; and 2) getting hooked into an NA program. If you have never gone to Narcotics Anonymous, I cannot emphasize how healing it is to experience the bonding and wealth of knowledge shared by those who have done this before us. The folks that go to these meetings are so eager to help others in their recovery. I know some people shun such programs because of the "religious" aspect....and I was one of those that did not want "GOD" shoved down my throat. But it is not like that at all. You can look at the term "Higher Power" to mean simply recognizing SOMETHING as having more strength than yourself to beat this evil disease. I chose to view the GROUP as MY "Higher Power"....the people in that group as a cohesive unit gave me the strength I did not have on my own.

    I wish you the best in your recovery. Do NOT let fear dissuade you from taking that step to freedom. I too feared the withdrawals, but life after the fog lifts is SO worth those couple weeks of physical hardship.

    Good Luck and please keep us informed of your progress,
    Lou

     
    Old 08-28-2007, 02:45 PM   #5
    gnysgtgarciausm
    Newbie
    (male)
     
    gnysgtgarciausm's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Aug 2007
    Location: Canovanas, Puerto RIco
    Posts: 2
    gnysgtgarciausm HB User
    Re: man, what did i do?please read

    Hi

    Im in my second week i think of NO paxil 20mg , i stil take the xanax 1mg if my wd get worse , now i dont know what time does it take for the paxil to wear off or if the xanax is actually helping me , i had to go cold turkey on the paxil since i dont have insurance to buy it anymore , so , here is the deal , i need to know if after 2 week is the paxil gone ?? Or do i need more time , ps , I DONT HAVE A DOC. for this , im doing this on my own . I need to know if theres a time-end for the paxil to wear off , and how do i know IF there are really gone ?

     
    Closed Thread

    Related Topics
    Thread Thread Starter Board Replies Last Post
    I'm scared I may have herpes. Someone please read & help. Scared2009 Herpes 29 11-07-2009 11:02 AM
    Suggestions needed please...Epstein-Barr brawndo78 Swine Flu (H1N1) 15 05-23-2009 05:39 PM
    Panic Attacks 10 Days After Quitting Marijuana PLEASE READ. Pez Dee Spencer Addiction & Recovery 11 12-08-2007 11:20 PM
    Please help... lots of questions/concerns about MS. kittenofthesea Multiple Sclerosis 15 09-19-2007 05:38 PM
    Penna1979, Health_Freak Please Read MzTami Bowel Disorders 20 07-17-2005 10:48 AM
    4 am -- Someone Please Hear Me togomo Addiction & Recovery 15 06-14-2005 04:53 PM




    Thread Tools Search this Thread
    Search this Thread:

    Advanced Search

    Posting Rules
    You may not post new threads
    You may not post replies
    You may not post attachments
    You may not edit your posts

    BB code is On
    Smilies are On
    [IMG] code is Off
    HTML code is On
    Trackbacks are Off
    Pingbacks are Off
    Refbacks are Off




    Sign Up Today!

    Ask our community of thousands of members your health questions, and learn from others experiences. Join the conversation!

    I want my free account

    All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:06 AM.





    © 2020 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved.
    Do not copy or redistribute in any form!