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    Old 11-01-2010, 12:01 PM   #16
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    Re: Suboxone: will it make withdwawals easier? How easy?

    Is anyone here for help with suboxone detox? Been on it for 26 months... Tapered to 4mg every other day and have been detoxing for 15 days now...
    RLS and insomnia is wrecking me to the bone...Hot Baths eating bannanas like a monkey and no help...Dr or drug pusher wants to give me klonipin for sleep, but I'm sick of Dr's, drugs and the phamacutical lieing manufactures of suboxone...

     
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    Old 11-02-2010, 09:31 PM   #17
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    Re: Suboxone: will it make withdwawals easier? How easy?

    Hi Dolphinman,

    Since posting this question I tapered down from 100ugh/hr to 37ugh/hr on fentnyl untill it become impossible to go lower. My HMO doctors got worried about me after two trips to ER in one day begging to be admitted as I couldn't care for myself loaded up on clonodine, neurontin and librium as I was. They sent me to an excellent pain clinic that also specializes in detoxing patients slowly, as opposed to the "rapid" detox which is little more than a revolving door = a cash cow for the clinics.

    I was transitioned onto Subutex at 4mg and have subsequently tapered down to 0.5mg a day (note that 0.5mg Subutex equals about 10-12mg of oxycodone.) After holding at this for the last three weeks I'll continue slowly tapering down soon.

    As to your withdrawal pains Dolphinman... Suboxone can be a wonderful tool if used correctly for getting one's life back together without cravings for narcotics. When it is time to start tapering off, a very slow and gradual pace is required. The longer we are on it, the longer we will need. Your body is telling you that you are going to fast, and going to fast puts your entire detox at risk. A person can tolerate such pain only so long until relaps occurs. There is no point or benefit in putting oneself in such agony.

    Under the guidance of your doctor I would look towards a more gentle detox schedule, ever several weeks or months. It took a long time to build this dependance, therefore it will not go away overnight. In addition, the slower we detox the better we will do after we are detoxed. The PAWS will be less (Post Accute Withdrawal Symptoms.) Slow and gentle is the key.

    I can understand wanting to get the drugs out of the system and to want to do it fast. But our brain is building new proteins and making massive and systemic changes. It takes a long time for these to occur. Our biology can't change overnight. You may wish to go to a higher dose where you are comfortable and then slowly taper down over time, as your system allows. Pushing so hard like this only puts your sobriety and detox at risk and makes one misearable to boot.

    Suboxone/subutex are hard to get off of, like any opiate. A slow and gentle approach is the best and will assure the best outcome. I am glowing slowly and am very happy I did. It is not comfortable, but I can function and am not coming out of my skin and am not loaded up on a ton of stuff with their own physical dependence issues.

    A final note: many docs hang their shingle out and claim to be "addiction specialists" after attending a short course on how to give suboxone. This does not make them addiction specialists. Many are simply in it for the money, sad as that fact is. It is critical to work with a qualified doctor or NP to support your process with wisdom and compassion, as well as having some friends to support you as well. Such a doctor ought to support a slow and gentle detox that allows you to remain fairly functional and even allow some periods of enjoyment and play... so important to recovery.

    Good luck and best wishes

     
    Old 11-03-2010, 04:37 AM   #18
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    Re: Suboxone: will it make withdwawals easier? How easy?

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    Is anyone here for help with suboxone detox? Been on it for 26 months... Tapered to 4mg every other day and have been detoxing for 15 days now...
    RLS and insomnia is wrecking me to the bone...Hot Baths eating bannanas like a monkey and no help...Dr or drug pusher wants to give me klonipin for sleep, but I'm sick of Dr's, drugs and the phamacutical lieing manufactures of suboxone...
    Heh there Dolphinman my name is Iain i live in Glasgow Scotland, although i`ve never been on suboxone i have just completed my own detox off methadone, it`s been over 3 months since i finished with the green death that is meth and the way i combatted the lack of any real sleep was camomile tea and plenty of activities during the day try and knacker yerself out during the day then a cup of camomile before yer bed and i found that exhaustion took over and i eventually got a sleep after a couple of weeks or so, my sleep pattern is now back to normal. So what i guess am trying to say is it does get better it`s always darkest just before the sun rises and the sun will rise and yer life will get so much better. No one ever said it would be easy, but no one ever said it had to be hard, i`d be willing to bet vital parts of my anatomy that if you think about it the positives of stopping massively outweigh the negatives. Good luck and take care. Iain.

     
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