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    Old 03-17-2003, 08:51 PM   #1
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    Question Has questions about percocet withdrawl timing!? Please could someone read this!!

    I started out taking Vicatin ES for about 3 months and then they moved me to percocet 10mg 4 times a day, along with valium 10mg 3 times a day, I have been on the Percs for almost 4 months now, I know a bit about pain killers, but my best friend died from Oxys over a year ago, so I tried to steer clear of that area, I was always into speed based drugs, but my question is I am being prescribed those drugs for severe pain and muscle spasms, but lately about a couple of weeks ago, I noticed that within 4 hours of not taking my dose of Percocet my nose started running, and I started get hot and cold, and I thought these were withdrawl symptoms that occurred around 24 hours after not taking them, so why is it that this is happening after only around 4 hours??!!! Second quick question is, what are the more common withdrawl symptoms from Percocet, just in case Im missing something! Thank you to whoever helps me here, or can at least send me out some input here, cuz Im confused! Im not abusing them in any way, and just taking them as prescribed, so I dont get it!
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    Old 03-18-2003, 12:41 AM   #2
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    Hi and welcome to the board!

    Are you sure you don't have a cold or something? It is a rather low dose do get hooked so quickly. Although now that I'm thinking about it, 4 months could be long enough that your body has become accustomed to the oxycodone being around.

    Ya know, you should not, and I emphasize not be afraid of oxycontin. This is why they made the drug in the first place. Since it's time released, it doesn't wear off quickly, and it does not in most cases give you a "buzz". You're taking 10 mgs 4x a day. You could take one 20 mg time released, and two 10mg percs throughout the day for breakthrough pain. Or you could just take one 40 mg. oxy and see if that covers it for you.

    I suggest this because you said you do not abuse your meds. Your friend most likely was grinding up his oxy's and snorting them or just grinding and swallowing. This is what people who abuse oxy do.

    Also, to prevent abuse in the future, the manufacturer (Purdue/Fredrick I think) is changing the formulation so that if it is ground up, split, crushed, or in any way modified from it's time released coating, it will make you very ill. You will feel nauseous and get the screaming sh*ts. Truley - look it up at oxycontin's website if you don't believe me.

    I said all that to say this - we're all different. Is your condition temporary, or is it a chronic pain condition like most of us here on the board? If you're gonna be taking pain meds for a long time, consider a time released med. If you're really to intimidated by oxy's, try MS contin (time released morphine) or the Duregesic patch. Again, this is only for chronic pain, not temporary conditions like a broken arm.

    If you really think you're addicted after only 4 months, you best wean yourself down starting now if this is a temporary condition.

    Good luck - Dawn

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    Old 03-18-2003, 05:29 AM   #3
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    Okay maybe this will make you feel better...or worse?

    I was on Perocet 10/650 early last year for about 2-3 months. I took 2 of them at least every four hours for pain. I was never relieved of pain at all. I did get "some" mercy out of it all... it helped me sleep through some of the misery. I had ruptured disk, L5, S1 and permanent nerve damage, two surgeries and lovely case of Vasculitis. Before, during, and after I was on so many meds at all different times of the day it was rediculous:
    (Copied from the Merck-Medco Prescription web site, My prescription history)

    Percocet 10/650
    Sulfamethoxazole/tmp Ds 800MG
    Furosemide 20MG
    Hydrocodone Bit/apap 7.5/750
    Neurontin 300MG (6 a day)
    Keflex Caps 500MG (gave me serious case of Vasculitis! VERY PAINFUL and deadly!)
    Prednisone 10MG
    Hydroxyzine Hcl 25MG
    Ambien 10MG
    Percocet 5/325MG
    Oxycontin 20MG
    Hydrocodone Bit/apap 5/500MG
    Lorazepam 1MG
    Cyclobenzaprine Hcl 10MG
    Prednisone 20MG
    Methylprednisolone 21's 4MG
    Ibuprofen 800MG
    Diazepam 5MG
    Duragesic Patch 50MCG

    All of the above were refilled many times from January to August. I don't EVEN know what half of the above are either! In August I said NO to anymore painkillers and was put on Neurontin. I eventually just stopped taking the Neurontin after about 5 months of 1800 to 2700 MGs a day realizing it was doing me no good...no relief...just a bunch of pill popping.
    Even with all of the above I still took my "normal" meds:
    Adderall Xr 30MG
    Paxil 30MG
    Alprazolam 0.5MG

    And much to my shame I drank HEAVILY through it all. 2-3-4 cases of beer every week. Am I really still breathing?

    The point is, if you are taking your meds as prescribed and not taking more than you should be; you should be okay. I was told to take the Percocet 10/650's every four hours for pain... Screw that, I was taking them every two hours and still in screaming agony. Painkillers just don't seem to want to help me much.

    The runny nose could be symptomatic of the drug...but not necessarily a withdrawal reaction. I drank through the entire regiment (except for the hospital stays of course), so if i did suffer any withdrawal symptoms... I wouldn't have noticed.

    Have you tried getting a steroid epidural? I had one in December and it did offer some changes but I'm back now to the way it always was before. Just because it didn't help me doesn't mean it won't do you some good? I hated taking those pills, I'll just deal with the pain. LOL, I'm getting ready to begin a serious vitamin and mineral regiment (to help get me off alcohol) and I'll be taking doses throughout the day of up to 60 or so pills! (for detox) But you know what? I can handle THAT!!!

    Talk to your doctor; tell him your fears... drug addiction is so not a cool thing for anyone. Oh and one more thing before I REALLY put you to sleep; I'm hoping that this vitamin thing will ultimately get me off the Paxil, Adderall and Xanax (Alprazolam).

    Good luck darlin'


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    Old 03-18-2003, 06:09 AM   #4
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    Dear Bishop: I can say almost without a doubt that you are going through withdrawal. I was on pain killers for 4 years and my least favorite was Percocet because you build a tolerance up so fast and I always went into withdrawal faster on the Percocet than I did with Vicoden, I guess I never really understood why. Unlike yourself, I never took these pills for pain, just to get a buzz. It wasn't before too long, and I mean within a week, my body was hooked and if I didn't have them I got deathly ill! Because of these pills, I have spent the last 4 years in hell. I spent all my money on the pills, sometimes $300 a week, just to keep from getting sick. I have a really good job and I am also a single mom, It was impossible for me to be sick for a week or two. Recently, I started taking Suboxome for the withdrawal and it has changed my life! Please don't be fooled by these pain meds. Although they are prescribed for legitimate pain, they are still highly addictive! You must talk to your doctor, tell him the problems you are having with the withdrawal and work with him/her to correct this problem! I wish you the best of luck!
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    Old 03-18-2003, 10:35 AM   #5
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    I agree with Stacy, but I have to say one thing. She took them for recreation, and you're taking them for pain. When a person is feeling intense pain, they are far less likely to feel the buzz associated with popping percs for fun. That's why I suggested a long acting med. However, after I re-read your post, it appears your condition will most likely be short term, therefore negating the need for long term pain management.

    So, if you think you're having withdrawal and addiction problems this early in the game, I suggest you get off the pain meds immediately if not sooner. Doing it cold turkey is the least successful method, so you should look into what Stacy did. Sounds like she went the right way. I only wish somebody had given me this advice 10 years ago!

    Good Luck - Dawn

     
    Old 03-18-2003, 11:58 AM   #6
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    Hi folks,
    I thank you for your replies, in answer to I think it was DawninNH, I actually do have a chronic pain condition, and that was why I ended up even taking the scripts from my doc when he gave them to me, because he said this crap going on in my body is for life! I was ******, sad, Im 21 and I am going to feel like as I could only describe it I feel like I'm dying! I'm familiar with OC's, my friend was actually a girl, and was snorted those Oxys like there was no tomorrow, hurt, but no surprise when she died! I am hesitant when it comes to Oxys, maybe because of me still not getting over her death, she was like a sister!
    As for it being a cold, I never get sick and this happens not all the time, only when I go without my percs for like I said before, around 3 to 4 hours, and I'm damn sure its not a cold, but thank you for the idea though! Last, someone also mentioned about it not sounding like I was gonna be on painkillers (along with the Valium) for a long time, unfortunitly, not according to my doctor, and its not like he's forcing them down my throat either, because they do somewhat help! I also did try the duragesic patch and ironically the Vicatin ES (before the percs) worked better for the pain, but then even the Vicatin quit, hence the Percs. So anyways, thats the deal there, I really appreciated the input, thanks for welcoming me to the board, and I would look forward to any other input given, or other replies from others who have already posted, thanx everyone!
    P.S. By the way I am not to proud to say I am not new to addiction and know its not fun, I was hooked on Cocaine, Meth, and Rits, X, any kinda speed I wound up with, Cocaine was my mainline, that was a bad detox!

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    Old 03-18-2003, 12:32 PM   #7
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    Hey Bish -

    Wow - you're in the same boat I'm in then. What do you do for chronic pain that you know you're gonna be in until you die. Good question, and honestly, I'm seeking an answer too. I just asked the same question in another thread.

    Fact is Bish, I just don't have an answer for you. I based my first answer to you on the fact that you said you DON'T abuse your meds. If that's the case, and you need lifelong management, then you need some sort of time released med, whether it be narcotic or non-narcotic. We have already covered the narcotics. Here's the non narcs - have you tried Celebrex or Vioxx? Granted, these are usually used for osteo arthritus, but hey - samples are free at your doc's office. Ask for some and see if they work. They're basically a time released aspirin or Tylenol, but at a much higher milligram than you would get over the counter. Try it for sh*ts and giggles - nothing to lose!

    If anyone else has some input - by all means, please do. I could use an answer to this question too!

    Good luck Bish - Dawn

     
    Old 03-19-2003, 01:23 PM   #8
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    Hi again Dawn,
    I really appreciate you keeping your input coming, not to mention you have a cute personality, by the way I use to live right next to NH! As for the Vioxx the docs before the one I have now gave me that as one of the first meds tried, along with ultram and a whole bunch of other sh*t that didn't work! :-(
    At this point I would consider Oxycontin, basically because of the extended release aspect, less pills to take, might work better, and I hear it has less body side-effects than percs (body wise, not talking about withdrawls)!
    My question is: How do I approach my doctor with that question, especially since he was very skeptical at first about narcotic pain killers in general, due to my speed addiction in the past! How would I even go about that if I was going to decide to go that path! Thanx again everyone, and especially you Dawn ;-)!
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    Old 03-19-2003, 02:44 PM   #9
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    Hey Bish -

    I have changed since yesterday, believe it or not. I am not recommending oxy's anymore. Did you read the post about Stacy's husband dying last night from an oxy overdose? Granted, he was probably crushing them and then snorting/swallowing them, but he died nontheless. So for now I'll simply suggest the meds I am on - time released morhpine (MS contin 100 mgs) and immediate release morphine (MSIR 15 mgs)

    So, I would suggest this. First, is your doc a GP or a pain clinic? If he's a GP, he probably won't do it, especially if he knows about your past addictions. He'll probably refer you to a pain clinic. However, along with you will go the records and notes he has on you, and they will see your addiction history. What do you have for insurance? Do you need a referral to a specialist, or can you pick your own? I can pick my own docs. I'm not in a pain clinic - my GP writes my meds. Been to pain clinics and found the one I was at useless, but there are others in my area that I didn't try that I hear are good. They do shots and narcs. I ask because you could pick your own clinic. Call ahead and ask how they treat chronic pain.

    It also depends largely on what state you're in I think. I can't tell from your posts where you're from, but some states require narc scripts to be written on an RX pad that does triplicate so a copy can go to that state's DEA/Medical Bureau. This creeps some docs out, and pain clinics in those states lean toward anesthetic needle shots in your effected areas or nerve blocks. But, they also can and do write for narcs, because they're pain specialists, and are allowed/expected to.

    So, answer a few of these questions, and we'll take it from there.

    You lived near NH? Where? I am originally from Salem, Mass, but have been in NH since I was 8. I'm 35 now.

    Take it easy - D

     
    Old 03-19-2003, 06:46 PM   #10
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    Hi yet again Dawn,
    Jeez, this is turning more into a posting discussion between me and you, lol! You mentioned alot of things, first I better explain this to you: I lived in Boston before I moved to PA, now I'm here, I just say it like that because I liked Mass alot more! But my pain started back then, my ex-work involved alot of crazy stuff so at first when the pain kicked in I just though 'its probably retro from my stab wound, or maybe just the crazy sh*t that I was always doing in my work'. But then I realized that it wasn't going away! My first thought was to suck it up and make it secondary, alot like I was conditioned for in work. But it got worse and worse, anyways by the time I got to the point of anger outbursts, passing out, fatigue, muscle spasms constantly throughout the day, I had to see a doc, so I hooked up with a bad GP, he was an ***, so I switched to my current GP the whole pain med thing took forever, X-Rays, MRI's all this crazyness, then finally he sent me to a pain clinic (referal, all like that in this state), that was horrible, cortizone shots in my back and neck and 8 at a time in one visit, and it would last about 20 min. and did nothing long term, it was crap! So finally after a year and a half of severe pain he put me on the narcs, but I have a good tolerance to most drugs even non-narcotic (can't explain, sorry). So I'm even getting tolerant to the percs in the semi-short time I have been taking them! I tried the duragesic patch, that was sh*t, god I should start counting how many times I type sh*t when I talk/type about these drugs/treatments! But I have to get a referal, there is only one pain clinic in my area around here, already been to it and like I said *thumbs down*, hence why my GP is prescribing my narcs. Why do you think Morphine would be better, I have heard that your tolerance sky-rockets just with an average tolerance to any drugs! And like I said it took me this long to the doc to think I was "safe" <(lol) enough to put me on the percs, so how would I initiate a conversation like that without seeming drug-seeking, cuz I'm getting tired of getting semi-dope sick if I don't have my meds timed to the tee, and the fact that they work less (besides the valium) and less as the months go on! I want to thank you Dawn for discussing this with me, because, you might be able to tell, LOL, Im so f*ckin' frustrated at this point! Stress doesn't help with this either, and I want to come back to New England, I miss it like it was heaven, which is what I always tell people here Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont, and I guess Mass. <lol is gods country right theyah (lol)
    Thanx again Dawn, I'll be looking for you if you reply!

     
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    Hey Again

    Ya, I hear ya - I think we took over this thread. Didn't mean to! Oh well, at this point, I wish others WOULD jump in, cuz frankly Bish, you just might be f*cked if you have no other resource other than your current doc.

    I feel you on the tolerance issue. You're right, it doesn't take long for it to set in with the morphine, but I'm just not gonna suggest oxy's to anyone anymore simply because I don't wanna be responsible for them getting hooked on it, or even worse, ODing. If you didn't read Stacy Victor's post entitled "my husband died last night from an oxy overdose", please do. It's so damn sad. Also, I posted there, and revealed my own true story with oxy. Please read it if you haven't, and you'll see why I can no longer reccomend (sp?) it. My intake of it is insane, truly. I admitted sh*t in that post today that I've never told anyone, not even myself. I decided this morning that I'm gonna just stick to morphine. Truley Bish - please read what I wrote. It's really raw, and I was in tears of shame when I wrote it, but if it helps some other poor soul before thEy get hooked too, then it's worth the humiliation I feel.

    Now, friend, what the hell to we do about you? Honestly, I'm at a loss. You said there's only one in your area, and it sucked? How big is your area. Are you willing to travel a bit to go to another clinic? I have friends that drive 50 - 100 miles to their pain docs. If not, then we're just gonna have to deal with your GP.

    I don't know what to tell ya about asking him to put you on morph or oxy's without looking like a "seeker". All I can say is be honest. I mean at this point, what's left? Actually, I give both you and your doc credit. You were honest and gave him your true history (I would have omitted my addiction problems) and he wrote narcs for you even with his knowledge of your past. So, maybe you need to say "look doc, I'm getting tolerent to my meds, and we need to talk. I don't want to increase my daily intake without your approval, but my current schedule is not providing adequate relief. What do you think about a time released med? That way I take far less pills a day, and I have a more consistent level of relief. I'm having difficulty functioning throughout the day due to my pain".

    Pick and choose what you want out of that conversation and go with it. The important thing is not to appear desperate, and don't name the med you're looking for. There are only a few options for time released meds.

    I just had an epiphany!! What about methadone? I've heard it works awesome for pain, and stands up pretty well to the tolerence issue. My pharmacist suggested it to me when I told him my meds aren't doing sh*t for me anymore. God, why didn't I think of that before? Duh!! Even the old ladies inmy Fibromyalgia support group say it works for them. I've never used it, but now that I'm thinking about it, maybe I'll give that a shot. My GP is awesome. In the 10 years I've been seeing him, he's never said no to anything I suggested. When I couldn't afford the oxy's anymore, (no insurance) I asked him to switch to morphine cuz it was so much cheaper. He sinply said "ya, I can do that" without a second thought. That was two years ago. Methadone is even cheaper.

    So, what do you think? Before I ramble on even more, I'll stop and get your thoughts so far.

    Did you see the post from the PHd researcher? She's doing a study on heroin addicts, and why they seek help. She wants to know what makes them go get help. I left her a semi-sarcastic response. I don't know. I think it's kinda cheesy to come to an addiction board and drum up business for her research. I don't know - it just grates on me like an ambulance chasing lawyer.

    Ok - it's 2:19 am of day 5 without sleep. If nothing else, I gotta get out of this damn chair before it becomes a permanent part of me.

    Bish, please read my post in Stacy's thread about her husband dying from oxy. You told me more about yourself. Go over to that one and check out the real me. At least you'll see why I'm quitting the oxy's.

    Good night and take care - D

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    Hey Bish -

    Still looking for you, so I'm writing again to push this toward the top of the heap. Don't want it to get lost at the bottom where you won't see it.

    Hope you're doing ok - where'd ya go???

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    Old 03-26-2003, 05:59 PM   #13
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    I recently have had a major maxofilial surgery including bone graph's from my jaw to my gums. I have been on percocet for the last 2 months and i recently ran out of pills and was denied a refill. I feel like ****, i am constantly feverous and tired. I have a sore throat and a runny nose. How long will this last and do i need to get professional help? What can I do to alleviate this fatigue?

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    Old 03-27-2003, 06:32 AM   #14
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    Hope I am not butting into a great thread here but here it goes. I have chronic back pain and was taking way too much vicodin for too long. All those 5/325 and so on have some form of ibufrofin or tylynol that will ruin your liver if taken for too long. My new doc put me on oxy 10 mg 2x day and I can honestly say that I am better for it. I don't abuse it and it is better for my liver than all the pain meds I was taking. It doesn't consume my life anymore...do I have enough pills before my next refill? Now there is no worry and if taken as perscribed it is safe. I have researched it thoughly and the people who overdose are the ones that crush che snort and inject. I don't get ahigh off of them but it takes my pain away. I finally feel like I can function again. Hope that helps.

     
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    I have been on percocet for the better part of 2 years for a chronic TMJ condition but not untill after spending 10 years experimenting with all the NSAIDS my doc could give me. There was Naproxen, Celebrex, Vioxx, Arthrotec, Advil you name it. Only after they did damage to my stomach did my Doctor put me on narcotics first stop was tylenol 3's they didnt work too well and when I had to start taking 2 my Doc put me on Percocet 5/325. After about a year and a half of this he suggested Oxycontin. I take 20mg twice a day and I have the percocet for breakthrough pain. Bishop I know you were asking how to approach your Doc about these? Well you could use the Tylenol factor this is what made my Doc suggest them to me I was taking too much tylenol. I have not had a problem with the Oxys at all. They dont kill all the pain but then again what painkiller does? As long as I have quality of life I am more than happy. There is a surgery that " might" help my jaw condition with long physical therapy after but after reading what my friends on the TMJ board I dont know if its the best idea. I have read Stacys post as well and he had to be abusing them very badly for this to happen because taking them as directed doesnt kill you. She also said he had been clean for 3 months therefore his body wasnt even used to the dose he took before quitting and he was ok...he was like a narcotic virgin again for lack of a better word and that dose killed him because his body was no longer tolerant. I hope the ones that abuse the oxy or think about it will read her post before they do because thats why she posted it to help someone else not suffer the fate of her husband. God bless you all, may he give everyone the strength to fight thier demons.
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