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itsmylife 07-13-2007 12:01 PM

Adrenal Fatigue??
Nick, please consider having a Western blot performed for Lyme Disease.
Have you served any time in the military, if so which branch and when.

Nexis 07-18-2007 05:44 PM

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Your story is very identical to mine, including the recent ''attack" that I experienced last month June, especially with the tightness in my throat area, and have made an appointment with the thyroid specialist, even though my thyroid results with my diabetes doctor came out normal...

All my other test came out normal and now the doctors are saying its Psychosomatic, though my Cortisol level in the afternoon was only 5 which I think needs further evaluation...

I too have the classic symptoms of either a Thyroid disorder or Addison's.

For many years I had the extreme dizziness, and many failed attempts in finding why I was always hungry; I was finally diagnosed with having prediabetes in 2004, yet I have a very athletic build, BMI at 20.7 and only in my early 30's which dumbfounded the doctor when the results were positive. I am now extremely careful with the sugar intake and bad carbs such as white rice and bread, past and pizza.

You mentioned not being able to find the right doctor; its been a nightmare for me since I no longer live in the States. yet I found very reputable site that lists Endo doctors by their speciality, since a thyroid doctor will not be well informed or keen on diagnosing for Addison's: Online there is the "Hormone Foundation" and you can type your zipcode OR navigate to the site and you can find by speciality...

I would recommend that you find a diabetes specialist from the above site as well. Endocrinology is a very complex field, so I strongly recommend you find someone who can advise with your sugar levels properly.

Also there are a few things you can do:

1) Purchase a wrist cuff blood pressure monitor; see if your blood pressure is hitting too low. You can intake salty water or food to raise it.

2) Start a sugar-banishing diet right now, such as the low bad sugar/ carbs diet, to start eliminating the sugar from your system. There's no alternative when weening off sugar and too much bad carbs. There are a few out there, just do a little research on the internet.

3) Any doctor who behaves unprofessionally, as you don't "NEED" further testing, needs to be dealt with accordingly; find a new doctor. It's your health and you have complete control over who you allow to handle your precious body. Don't allow the narcisisstics in the medical profession discourage you or doubt your health concerns, and lastly your life.

4) Eliminate any unnecessary stress-causing factors from your life, since it negatively affects your hormone levels.

Keep us posted and be well.

cloud2 07-22-2007 08:50 AM

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DIAL/Nick, how are you doing? It's been a month or so. Hope you're still able to hang in there.

Regarding the salt recommendations, let me vote for that too. I still have trouble drinking salt water, so I add it to my food (which I never did for 30 years) and take salt tablets with meals. Along the lines of what earlier posters state, the carbs often call me, and when salt calls me as well, I reach for salty corn chips, etc... which take me into that carb cycle. Salting food and taking the salt tablets helps stem those cravings. I am also taking 0.2mg Florinef and that's taken my AM BP way up to a 108/78 average (still too low for a 6'1" 220# male).

My MD (who is an internist and is very helpful but amateur on the adrenals) ordered hair mineral analysis, and I'll have to say it's right on with testing the minerals pertinent to the adrenals, analyzing levels and ratios and making recommendations. Right now she has me on 40mg cortef (25/10/5), 120mg pregnenolone, 0.2mg florinef and a 2 sprays of sublingual DHEA (we started out lower but slowly and carefully increased as indicated by my response or lack thereof). With all that I wear a MedicAlert tag for Adrenal Insufficiency.

My blood sugar does the same as what you're describing, and it is tied to adrenal function. You can hope along with me that once your adrenals are treated and stable your own insulin will work better. Until then, do as everyone else already posted - eliminate those simple carbs and sugars. Have you tried stevia as a sweetener? Some brands leave a bitter aftertaste, others are quite usable.

Thanks Nexis for that tip on how to find a knowledgable endo. I still feel I need the next step in my 15-year decline and search for a doctor who can figure out root cause and stabilize treatment. Of course, one of the top docs listed when I searched was the CEO of a Dallas Endo group and he's the one that wouldn't listen to me, spoke down to me and told me that "nobody is salt deficient," that it's all in my head that I feel better taking salt tabs. But this gives me a lead to find a Dr that might have a clue.


DIAL 07-25-2007 04:29 PM

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Hey, I'm still having a hard time. The lab results show 3 harmones low. Cortisol, which has been showing anywhere from 2-4 and DHEA sulfate, and testosterone. I havn't been on any meds. I am hesitent to take tesosterone shots due to the fact I dont want to shut down my natural production. I'm trying to figure out a natural way to bring it up. I went to the Mayo clynic, they were worthless. The Endo there looked at my charts listened to me, and said "I dont believe your promblem is Endo related, I think you may have Crohns disease, That would explain the irregular bowl behavior and weight loss. I said if it's not Endo related, how do you explain my blood sugar issues. He stated he wasn't sure, maybe I was turning diabetic. Even though I my testosterone was at 199, im only 24 by the way, I was fine cause I can maintane an erection. This is idiotic logic due to the fact not all men experience sexual disfuntion due to low testosterone. I warned him about my low cortisol, and explained how I have had 2 cortisol stim test done prior to seeing him, which came out normal. My problem with the cortisol stim test is it only tells you wether or not your glands are on, or off. it does nothing to show how efficiently they are functioning, and balancing out your body's needs. The doctor I saw stated he doesn't believe in adrenal fatigue, and says it's a myth, since I past the test before I was fine and had no issues with cortisol. He ordered a blood draw before I left. The next day they called me frantically stating we need you to come in and take another cortisol stim test. your cortisol was only at 4! I said "thats what I was trying to tell you! these doctors have a real God complex and dont want to listen to logic! I said what will another stim test do??? It will show normal like the others. I believe Einstein once said "Madness is doing the same over again expecting a different result." I guess by definition, all these doctors are crazy. So....I'm still sick, my Career as a Police Officer is on hold, I had to apply for state benifets and insurance cause im broke and cant make money, My home is getting foreclosed on, Doctors cant figure out how to treat me, and im exhausted and sick every day now. I'm trying to stay focused and vigilant, but it is hard. It has turned into a up hill battle. I was tested for Lyms disease, but was negative. I then found out the test are unreliable and very hard to diagnose. I'm gonna have to look into a West blot test. I appreciate all your help.

sherrylynn65 07-25-2007 05:30 PM

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Hi Dial,,,I have not posted to you yet but had to after the last one you wrote,,I think you should not give up. Has any of the doc's even taken an xray or mri, cat scan or such of the adrenal's? I did not see it listed but if you did sorry about asking. I feel the same as you. Been told too long it was "fibro" or "not sure but something" and when I figured out what was going was told "the pain in your back has nothing to do with your adrenal's since you would not feel pain if it was them there",,,logic? Nope,,,I know that is hog-wash. And you know,,so do you with your problems. Keep the faith.


FEELBAD62 07-26-2007 06:19 AM

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Hi Dial,
sorry to hear you are having such a hard time. You are right, you probably don't need to be on Testosterone replacement right now since you are so young. There is something called HCG which will not shut down the testicles from producing testosterone but will boost the natural production. There is a board on here that deals with testosterone issues and some very knowledgeable guys on there who can help you. Are you not on Cortef? I thought you had told me you were. I have been on it for about 5 weeks now and it is helping alot. I took the 24 hour saliva test where I got a graph showing how low the coritsol was. I also have found out as of last week that I have extremely high levels of mercury and lead. I am in the process of detoxing which will go on for many months. Hope this info might help you some.

DIAL 07-26-2007 06:40 PM

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Hey, I saw the Naturalpath today. He said my stool showed alot of Candida yeast overgrowth, and bacteria. A urine analysis showed I lacked all major nutrients, my body was full of free radicals, and my adrenals are depleted. He gave me an IV full of Vitamins, and all kinds of supplements to start. one of which is DHEA 25MG. Is this too much? I'm a little aprehensive about taking it. He aslo said "not to scare you, but along with your weight loss, there are some underlining red flags that need to be addressed and I strongly recommend we test you for the presence of cancer" Oh well, if so, I'll ride till the wheels fall off. I'm sure I'm fine though. I am real curious about DHEA, and if men need more or what. There seems to be a lot of controversery over DHEA. So far, this is the latest and greatest.
Thanks for caring
P.S. I know your could a cop have such poor spelling and grammer. Spell check baby, cant seem to use it on here though.

Nexis 07-26-2007 09:47 PM

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IF possible can you list all of your symptoms again? Sometimes even the most minor problems can be a secondary issue to a primary diagnosis...

Have you gotten tested for other Autoimmune related disorders like Lupus, Sjorgen Syndrome, Irritable Bowel Movement, Arthritis, Raynaud Phenomenon?

I went to see a very prominent Endo in hormone/pituary disorders, who did research at UCLA and now doing cancer research at the Tokyo University Research Hospital . You may wish to check with a Pituitary specialist from the Hormone Foundation Site.

I though I had Hypothyroid or Addison's yet because I still had a muscular build for a woman he said he thinks its an Autoimmune Disorder, so I'm running tests now, and he didn't go in to detail, yet I think it may be Lupus...

Weight Loss is also a sign of Lupus, as well as Pain and tenderness throughout the body... I have prediabetes as well. Alot of your symptoms overlap with other diagnosis, and because of the stress you are under in general with your current flar, other symptoms will arise, yet it could just be a reaction to the underlining illness. You may have a low testosterone too if you are experiencing depression, which can be a secondary symptom to your undiagnosis illness...

Again, my Adrenal doctor said that at the acute states of an illness, stress symptoms will appear.

Please be well

DIAL 07-27-2007 10:42 AM

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Sure, My Symptoms ara as follows;[LIST]
Shortness of breath
tremors, shakyness
extreme fatigue, exhuastion
light headness, dizzyness
heart palpitations
feelings of anxiety
hyper glycemia with unusual sugar levels after eating, many time very high, in the 200 range. on some ocassion it goes low, and i have an hypoglycemia episode, this has been rare though
rapid weight loss, lost 25 pounds in a manner of 3 months, 168 to 143
lab test show tesosterone of 199, cortisol aroun 2.3,2.9,4, DHEA was low around 260 I believe
feelings of blacking out, or close to blacking out[/LIST]hope this helps

getfacts 07-27-2007 01:08 PM

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hello dial,

both my husband and i have been going thru the exact same things you have that started a year ago for me. i have FINALLY found relief thru a doc's extensive research into how the body needs to be balanced. his name is dr. larry wilson, just look up his web site. no need to go thru all my details, just wanted to send you to this info and you can read for yourself about adrenal fatigue and what he recommends. i think you will find it eye-opening and backed up by serious research. we have begun the protocols he suggests and we are so much better. it takes a while, tho, it's not a pill like conventional docs want to give you. it's a change in diet, nutritional supplements geared to your unique imbalances, and detoxification. it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to realize how much stress we put ourselves under these days just to provide food and shelter for ourselves and our families. and ESPECIALLY if you are a police officer! take a look at what we found and see if it strikes you. i have lost all faith in conventional medicine (other than for trauma/accidents). when it comes to disease, they are just guessing and pushing one drug after the other which generally begins a cascade of unintended consequences down the road. i wish you the best.

sue1234 07-27-2007 02:08 PM

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You sound like you are actually experiencing Addison's disease! I'm no expert, but I thought I read somewhere that cortisol(blood, a.m.) lower than 6 needs to be treated right away. Even your symptoms sound like Addison's. With a low testosterone also, you could have pituitary issues. What are your thyroid hormones like?? You can read about the hormone issues by reading what Dr. Friedeman(?sp) from UCLA(I think, or at least he's in L.A.) talks about. He has articles about the different hormones, and talks about when you need treatment. He is one of the "experts" on the West coast. Again, how are your thyroid hormone levels??

DIAL 07-27-2007 06:53 PM

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I did have my thyroid checked, I dont know the lab levels, doctor only said it was normal. Also supposedly my petuitary gland is normal as well. this is one reason the doctors are confused. They kept probing and asking me if I had done any Illegal steriods in the past. I only laughed. No I havnt. Also Any one know about DHEA?? my naturalpath wants me to take 25 MG every morning, I read alot of controversary on the safety of DHEA and how much to take.

taylor810 07-28-2007 09:33 AM

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Get to your Endro and demand an MRI with and without contrast. I had a lot of the same symptoms and have been to the ER 5 times with shortness of breath, blood pressure high/low and rapid pulse most of the time. Just got my MRI back friday. Have a pituitary tumor. It has lowered my testosterone, TSH, cortisol etc etc. I'm going to a neurosurgeon next week to have it taken out. Good Luck.

cloud2 07-29-2007 08:23 PM

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Hang in there, Dial. It may be overwhelming now, but when you've pulled out of it, you'll look back and see that you were able to take each day at a time. Be sure to relax, restore, refresh without feeling guilty about it. It took me a while to get there, being type A all my life. But when the body won't support that anymore, you've got to let it rejuvenate.

Another easily available test is to check for anti-adrenal antibodies, if you haven't already. If your immune system is attacking your adrenals, that's a quick road to primary.

In the meantime, if you have to wait for all the tests recommended here, don't forget extra salt, especially if you crave it. But careful about taking it on simple carbs (i.e. no potato chips, tortilla chips), or you'll disturb your blood sugar more than you'd like.

I had many, many "gray-outs" per day until my MD added florinef to my regular meds. Now they're pretty rare, about 1 a week. (I call them "gray-outs" because it feels like I'm blacking out, but it doesn't quite drop me. But I gotta hold myself up. It's a weak dizzy, usually not a spinning or vertigo dizzy.) The florinef only took me up about 10 points on my BP and put some unwanted extra weight on my frame, but it's great to leave the gray-outs behind!

Tired46 07-30-2007 11:28 AM

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Hi there,

I am new to this message board and really don't know how to use it as of yet..but I have had many of the symptoms that Dial has had and many more, except for glucose problems. Blackouts and near blackouts are a major complication along with pain, shakiness, palpatations, major weight loss, low blood pressure (which I always had high risk hypertension), dizziness, fatigue etc. How do I start a thread or do I just stay on this one?

I was diagnosed with Addisons plus have other medical problems, I have many questions? My diagnosis was suggested after a blackout and had fallen down 16 stairs and ended up with 18 staples in my head. They stated that I had an underactive thyroid and thought it was due to my pituitary gland, but it ended up that my adrenal glands weren't functioning?? I am on Cortef and synthroid for that...but I'm not really getting any answers from Dr's..some even suggested it was all in my head..which is very frustrating. I will leave it at that until I know what thread I should be using..Thank you...and hope you get some relief Dial, physically, emotionally and financially...

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