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jersey58 08-01-2007 12:44 PM

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See Internal Med Doctor ask about Cushings Syndrome...I had that and my left adrenal gland shut down. Major Operation Now adrenal insufficient (Now Carry ID bracelet ,Medication and syringe) Several test can be done..
Creatine, TSCH TSH-TA check cortisol levels

DIAL 08-13-2007 01:18 AM

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Hey guys, I just wanted to say thank you for all the positive input. "positive" seems to be a hard thing to come by these days, all the negativity drives me nuts. nothin new, no new discoveries. No money= slow testing and progress. I swear somtimes I second guess myself and wonder if it all really is in my head, of course that doesent concure with lab I guess I have to keep chip n away. I've been sick for almosta year with no relief. But reading some of you others out there a year isn't bad in comparison to 2 or 3. I find it theraputic to talk to you all......
so thank you

cloud2 09-16-2007 08:38 PM

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How are you pulling through? Haven't heard from you in a while.


vamomma 09-20-2007 02:45 PM

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Not sure if you are still reading the boards, but - I have done a lot of research into Candida. It can definately wreak havoc on your system.

Basically, Candida is a yeast that is normally present in every human being. The other bacteria (often referred to as healthy "flora") in your intenstines usually keeps the candida in check.

However, with stress, antibiotics, chemicals, and the high sugar in our diets (as well as other things) the balance of candida can grow out of control. When it does it can impact the absorption of vitamins and minerals in your intestinal track which causes lots of problems. Additionally, the candida itself give off their own chemicals (similar to formaldahyde (sp?) that turns into alchohol in your intestines and can make you feel like you have a constant hang-over.

Although there are drugs that can help rid your system of candida, they are often harmful to your liver. Best way to rid yourself is to starve the candida. This means that you need to totally avoid sugar, yeast (in breads, crackers, etc.), alcohol, fungi (like mushrooms), etc. You can search for "candida diet" and get a list of the things you should avoid.

If you are diligent you can kill off the candida in anywhere from a few weeks to a few months (or longer with very bad cases). I think that you often need ot make diet changes for life. If you starve the candida and then start eating carbs the way you used to, often the Candida will come back with a vengence.

Sometimes Candida can become "Systemic" and leak into your blood stream and impact your organs. There is a test that you can have taken that looks for Candida antibodies. If the antibodies are present, you most likely have Systemic Candida.

Anyway, Candida is at least one thing that you can control yourself. It takes a lot of will power, though. There really isn't a magic pill.

Hope this helps.
Alison :)

DIAL 09-20-2007 08:52 PM

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Hey Cloud,
to be honest, I'm still really sick. I am not any better than before. My insurance was pulled and have to pay out of pocket. B/c I have to pay out of pocket, its taking me forever to get treatment and test done. One thing the Naturalpath wants me to take is DHEA. For some reason I am scared to take it, and havn't been able to convince my self to do it. The whole warning about racing heart, dizzyness, and heart palpitations freaks me out! I have had these things happen already as my regular symptoms, wich terrified me and caused me to go to the ER, I really dont want to take a pill and chance reliving that truama. This is my battle with this crap. I feel exhausted all the time, and just plane sick. I cant even do anything a little physical demanding without feeling like falling over. I have become very sensitive to Cold and hot weather. I tried to go out side, (I live in AZ) and I could only take the heat for about 15 min before I felt like I was going to black out. I figure low cortisol may be to blame for this, not sure though. I feel worse than ever and just dont know what to do. my wallet is dry. The Mayo Clynic wants $6,000 from me for basically doing nothing. They first said "it's in your head" then they said "you have Crohns Disease" then they said "we dont know" they even told me my problems were not Endo related, HA! my sugars hit 200+ my Cortisol is in the 2's and my Testosterone was at 199 hmmmm not Endo related at all

cloud2 09-21-2007 08:06 PM

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I read your post this morning already, but don't have a cogent summary of everything for you yet. I don't have any direct or final answers for you, since I'm still in the middle of finding answers myself, but I think I have several things you can try to pick back up perhaps a little. Several are in this thread from knowedgable members (add salt if indicated, cut white flour & sugar, candida help), plus a couple more ideas. Please give me a bit to restore after the workweek and get my thoughts together. Stay tuned to this channel. But not just for my reply. I know there's someone else out there with an answer that hasn't piped up yet. Also, I'm probably not the only list member that's praying for you in this ordeal...

Nexis 09-21-2007 11:38 PM

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Dial, I know there are people here who are very concerned regarding your health, please be well and let post here when you can...

I know you have seen many specialists to the point some where I didn't know you ended up at the Mayo Clinic...

Did you get tested for Lyme or for other Balance Conditions?

May be if you could update your current conditions with all the tests done on the General Boards, this may help since this thread is a few months old...

I was having the same symptoms as you and it went away EXACTly at 8 weeks, the doctors still didn't know why I was so ill; yet I have had a life long struggle with dizziness and fatigue, and will see a ENT to see if I have a Balance disorder, or a sleep related breathing disorder...

cloud2 09-22-2007 06:41 AM

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Good morning DIAL,
I don't know how far you can get with this, or how fast, without med insurance. Ouch!
1. You've got to get the candida under control. Diet will get you only so far... you'll probably need some anti-fungal(s) too. But as mentioned by others, cut out not only the sugars but also simple carbs, which are converted quickly to sugar. Stick to eggs, peanut butter, simple meats, nuts, etc. Careful with juices too. Eat tart fruits (strawberries, blueberries, granny smith apples), not sweet.
2. If you haven't already, learn more about the hormone cascade that starts with cholesterol, pregnenolone, cortisol, DHEA and many others. What the doctors need to figure out is what you're low on and why... where the process is breaking down and where supplementation makes sense. Is your cholesterol high? normal? low? If it's low (mine was 119 total at one point), your body might not have the raw materials to produce hormones.
3. Get your thyroid results from that doctor... the numbers. Have them mail you a copy with the lab results. "Normal" can mean almost anything. Then read up on how the reference ranges are determined. Keep in mind that adrenals and thyroid are related... not always, but many forum members have issues with both.
4. The cortisol levels you mentioned do seem low (keep in mind... I'm not a Dr, nor are most or all in this group). That alone could really kick you. But I remember when my MD looked at my cortisol levels (saliva test, in my case), she looked at me and said I was in the bottom 5 percentile... that anybody she's seen that low can't get out of bed or get to work. Pushing myself through a 45-workweek, I suddenly went from feeling guilty, lazy and wondering if it's "all in my head" to feeling pretty heroic for pulling off what I was doing. If your naturopath is your main medical consultant at this time, see what kind of supplementation you should do. DHEA makes sense to me, and also something to support your adrenal function would seem in order. Perhaps also pregnenolone, which you can get at a health food store. But be careful here, research it yourself and take expert advice, not just my post!
5. Salt. If you're blacking out and feeling real weak, AND if your BP is low, add extra salt. You may already be craving it. IF you're not craving it, or if your BP is high, do not do this. For me it took florinef (generic = fludrocortisone) to finally lick the blackouts.
6. Do everything you can to get quality sleep. If you're not sleeping well, your body is not able to repair itself.
7. Hot baths! Especially if you're prone to picking up colds or infections, I feel a regular, daily artificial fever is good for a body. Fill the tub at 105F, and you'll end up with about a 102F "fever" for about an hour to kill the bugs. btw - what is your temp, and is it steady or variable? That can help you pinpoint adrenal or thyroid issues. Track with a "metabolic temperature graph." One school of thought says that a low body temp is indicative of thyroid issues, whereas a body temp that bounces up and down is indicative of adrenal issues.
8. Exercise, but gingerly. I've worked back up to a 20 minute walk, but no more yet. I'm 52 and should still be able to run/jog. Even hand-washing my car is too strenuous for me, reducing me to a quivering blob of protoplasm (or so it feels).
9. Make sure you get some sunlight. I get Seasonal Affective Disorder down here in Texas of all places, because when I'm feeling that way, I tend to stay indoors.
10. "Hakuna Matata." De-stress. Do whatever you can to calm the body, reduce the noise, the pounding rhythms, etc.. If you're type A like me, that one's real difficult.

DIAL 09-22-2007 04:50 PM

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Thanks for the reply. My main symptoms as of now are feeling extremley weak. tired all the time. I sleep and sleep some more. I get shaky at times, and get very dizzy. shortness of breath often happens with the dizzynes. any physical activity wipes me out. I have lost 30 pounds in 3 months, and have only gained 5 pounds of it back. I was in the top physically in my Police Academy class, now I cant even play with the dog! I all around just feel very very ill. I have had the following test.
* Ct of the brain = Negative
* CT of abdomen = Negative
* Colonoscopy, endoscopy = Negative
* several thyroid checks = Normal
* several ACTH test = Normal
* heart echo = discovered minor Mitral valve prolapse, doctor said no big deal.
*stress test
*CT of the heart = Normal
* blood check for Lymes, and Valley fever, although I later found out these test are unreliable.
* lab work which resulted in discovery of low Cortisol, Testosterone, and DHEA
*Glucose Tolerance test = hit 245, but A1C and AM insulin levels show normal, and me being non diabetic.

Endo Doctor wanted me to take Tesosterone shots, I didnt, due to trying to find a better natural way to boost Testosterone. I dont want to shut my natural production down and be shot dependent the rest of my life.

Natural path wants to test me for the presence of Cancer.
other than this I dont know what else to say. I am lost. I dont believe this is due to a physcological disorder like some docs have pushed.

Nexis 09-22-2007 05:38 PM

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I see you had the ACTH test, did you have the ACTH stimulation version?

They only difference you and I have is I haven't lost any weight; Your condition sounds like Addison's from what my pituitary doctor said about sudden weight loss...

I am sending over my blood from abroad to the lyme lab in Palo Alto, CA....

Please don't give up.

DIAL 09-23-2007 01:49 AM

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All three ACTH test were stim test. all three doubled in numbers. These test are only good in determining true Addisons with complete Adrenal failure. other then that they are crap. tell me this, why is it many doctors will say Adrenals cant under funtion? they say it's a myth. your heart can be at 75% your liver can be at 75% your lungs, etc and so. So tell me why your Adrenal glands are any different in functionality! just another example of these guys in the white coats who cant break out of their little textbook box their trappen in. It's called logic.

cloud2 09-26-2007 06:08 PM

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Thought of you this evening while reading posts on a completely different list. The poster said she "always killed the candida with grapefruitseed extract," and just recently heard that coconut oil also works? If you haven't run across that yet, you might check it out. I don't know how effective that might be compared to prescription anti-fungals, but it's worth a look, especially since you are off the medical insurance.

DIAL 09-28-2007 09:17 PM

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thanks cloud, ill give it a try. Coconut oil would probably give me the runs though;) Has any one ever heard of ozone oxygene treatment? I like my natural path, but they injected me with gas oxygene and I felt like crap. This is the only thing he had done that makes me kinda wierded out.

cloud2 09-28-2007 09:50 PM

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We gotta help you get better somehow. I figure in these notes we send you, you can read up on the stuff, evaluate if it fits what you're experiencing (or not) and move forward. You also have a lot of us pulling for you to make it through and be normal and healthy again! May God bless you with a full recovery, and soon. Persevering through this trial will make you better and stronger... it's a matter of how long, when and how.

DIAL 10-01-2007 03:32 AM

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Thanks Cloud,
Honestly, I cant rememeber what "normal" feels like any more. I'm so use to being dizzy, tired, short of breath and so on. I've been sick for a year now, I think I may just be broken. I'm not so sure I have a cure out there, which is unfortunate because I love life, and being active and having fun. Now I am a prisoner in my own home, and cant take care of my family financially. Its pretty humilating. I am 25 and feel like an old dying man. My insurance, United, suddenly stated they would not cover my vist to the Mayo clynic, so now I am $7,000 in debt with them. can you believe it? $7,000 to tell me "they dont know what's wrong with me" and I owe this money for what?....I was put on State insurance, then when I went to the ER room recently, the hospital said it was not valid. so I owe them a $1000 as well. can you believe this? I protect and serve my community as a Police Officer, then I get sick, they force me into resigning due to health, or else they were going to Fire me, let me restate that "let me go for failure to perform" being fired for health is "illegel" and then they take away my medical insurance on top of it. If my home wasn't being furclosed on they could come bull doze my home too and turn it into a parking lot for the city. The city counsel can park their cars there. any ways, I'm just venting.
thanks for caring,
lot of good people on this site.

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