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    Old 08-31-2005, 11:34 AM   #1
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    Hives!!

    A few weeks ago, I got this rash which I couldn't identify. It lasted a few days, then spread and spread. The dermatologist, who I've seen three times now, diagnosed them as hives. For three days I was UNBEARABLY itchy, swollen, awful. It was the worst bout of anything I can remember--could not bend extremities, go to work, function.

    Now I'm on Zyrtec and the hives have gone down, but the itching remains! I'm up every three hours in the night (sometimes take a cool oatmeal bath or put lotion on) and am so TIRED and itchy I can't cope!

    Anyone know how long this will last? Should I keep taking the Zyrtec and hope it'll get better, or demand a different medicine? I am so unhappy. How long can this last?

    Thanks for any insight or personal experience with hives that won't go away. I'm praying it's not chronic--I won't be able to live through it.

     
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    Old 09-02-2005, 10:04 AM   #2
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    Re: Hives!!

    Hi courtenaynt, I have urticaria for many years and it's indeed a terrible and delibitating disease! I can't answer how long it will last... There are different types of urticaria(hives) and do ask your doctor which do you have. There are chronic idiopathic urticaria, autoimmune urticaria, cold urticaria, solar urticaria, acute urticaria(lasts for only a short time, usually cause by allergy) to name some... Some of the urticaria, their cause is unknown.

    I know it's hard to sleep when you are so itchy and I think you could take an older generation of antihistamine like hydroxzine(sp) or benadryl that are more drowsy and would make you sleepy so you can sleep. It's good to take a cool bath instead of a hot/warm as you can feel worst.

    Some people need more than one type of antihistmaines... and the cocktail of antihistamine is different for everyone. Sometimes this combination might work for some while not for others... that's all for now, feel free to ask me any questions. Take care!

     
    Old 09-03-2005, 08:13 AM   #3
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    Re: Hives!!

    Hello! My 11 year old daughter suddenly got these rashes which started spreading from her upper chest & upper back to neck, then her upper arms & legs. She has been on predisone (?) & iterax for 10 days. Hers is what her pedia calls non specific allergy. does anybody know how I can find out what specifically that non-specific allergy could be please? she has been prescribed with allegra (fexofenadine hcl) 120mg for the next few days till the rashes subsides. I am hesitant to put her on more medication which offers only minimal help for her rashes & itchiness. thanks!

     
    Old 09-03-2005, 08:30 AM   #4
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    Re: Hives!!

    HELLO Courtenaynt! Am sorry I just typed away not understanding that it seems I am just barging into the thread you started.

    anyway, my kids who seems to be allergic to one thing or the other has taken zyrtec in 5 days in a row period & their allergy symptoms will clear up. I don't know about out pros & cons abtaking it for an extended period of time like what i understand you to be doing though.

    I am currently trying to give my daughter 2 oz twice a day of *****, the ********** concentrated juice stuff, which they say works on clearing allergies too. i hope it works for her. My cousin said it worked for her daughter's sudden breakout of rashes real fast.

     
    Old 09-03-2005, 11:54 AM   #5
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    Re: Hives!!

    Hi K2P, some of your words were turned into asteriks***... so not sure what's that you typed. Non specific could simply mean idiopathic... of no known cause. How long has your daughter been having the hives? If it has been for more than 6 weeks, do take her to the allergist or dermatologist for a consult. They are more specialise than a pead. You might want a peadiatric allergist or dermatologist instead since they know how to deal with children better.

    Benadryl works pretty well with hives though it's drowsy so might need to take caution will using it. Since your daughter is schooling, it's best to use the benadryl before she sleeps instead of in the morning. And do not let your daughter take prednisone unless she has swellings(lips,eyes..) or very severe hives that no other antihistamines can work. Since she's growing, it can affect her growth and health. Unless the doctor strongly advises so... or else, do question the doc between the pros and cons of it. Taking antihistamines on a long term basis shouldn't have that much serious side effects as far as research shows. It will also depends on which type you will be taking.


     
    Old 09-03-2005, 07:59 PM   #6
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    Re: Hives!!

    Thanks Cheerangel! Asterisks words were for a tropical fruit concentrate which must have been "censored" for some reasons. Maybe to avoid people from advertising stuffs or something.

    My daughter has those rashes for almost 2 weeks now. her pedia is an allergy specialist who had been handling her since birth. so i guess i trust that he knows what he is prescribing for her condition. but being a mother, i feel there should be something that works better & faster to help her.

    Is hives a recurring condition? Cause within the past 10 days when she was taking pred & Iterax, an antihistamine, the rashes subsides for a while then comes back on before her next dose after 12 hour interval.

    Now that he doctor prescribed another medication (stopped the pred now) , allegra (fexofenadine hcl) 120mg, I looked it up & mostly, it is supposedly for allergic rhinitis, which incidentally she often gets too, minus the rashes.

    Now i am tempted to try your suggestion to use benadryl instead, since benadryl seems to be more mild & normally acceptable as an OTC drug. I really do not want her on strong medications.

    Question, if she takes benadryl & gets to to sleep better, will it mean she will not scratch? Or is scratching an automatic response to itches even while sleeping?

    thanks Cheerangel!

     
    Old 09-05-2005, 11:38 AM   #7
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    Re: Hives!!

    Hiya

    was the fruit that you typed started with a letter 'N'? If yes, I think I know what's that.

    It's good that she has a pead allergist caring for her and knows her since birth. But it's always alright to seek a 2nd opinion. Doctors have trainings and workshops on and off, so some will know more than others. Some might be more interested in that particular skin problem/allergy. So if you manage to hear from anyone or find out about a particular doctor that specialises in urticaria, you can give a shot.

    "Is hives a recurring condition?" Well, I'll say it depends. For acute urticaria(usually caused by allergies), it subsides within 6 weeks and doesn't return unless one comes into contact with the allergen again. For chronic urticaria, you will still have it even you are on antihistamines.

    Anyway, if her hives come back before the next dose, it could mean that the dosage is not enough or effective for her. It could also mean that maybe her body metabolise that medication faster.

    Alot of people with chronic urticaria that I know are taking the z/z combo which means taking both Zantac and zytrec. It has shown to be the most effective in controlling CU. But you have to ask her doctor if she has CU which means, having to wait 6 weeks later and see if the hives will subside with medication before that. Hopefully she won't need to live with hives longterm.

    Is your daughter on the steroid nasal sprays? If it can be controlled with the sprays only, then she doesn't need any extra antihistamine for her allergic rhinitis. The steroid nasal spray will work better as it delivers the medication directly to the nose.

    Some people will still scratch unknowingly while others don't. Start her on benadryl and see if she has bleeding from the skin the next day due to excessive scratching. But the benadryl should have done its work on stopping the histamines degranulating and the hives to form so she won't be itchy. If after 2 weeks and she's still scratching badly, it means the med isn't working or suitable.

    All the best and hope to hear how things go with your girl.

     
    Old 09-05-2005, 11:07 PM   #8
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    Re: Hives!!

    Hello Cheerangel!

    Thanks for all your input. Will certainly take them into account & update you about my daughter's condition.

    Is budesonide 100 a steroid nasal spray? I think hers is a low dose one. SHe has been on it for second round of 3 months now. If does help her sniff sniffs at night & early morning.

    The fruit's name starts with mango and ends with steen. I hope fruit names won't be asterisked out. :-) Anyway, she has been on it 3x a day 2 oz per dose for 4 days now. I don't think it's helping a lot. for a $44 fruit/herbal supplement 25-oz bottle, i don't think I'll buy again after she is through with this one. My neice swears by it for controlling her allergies though.

    til next visit here. I really appreciate your response. You are so knowledgable about these stuff. Am sure a lot of people benefits from your advises.

    take care!

     
    Old 09-06-2005, 01:30 AM   #9
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    Re: Hives!!

    I'm glad you found the info useful, just want to help so someone will be better at coping with the horrible disease.

    Budesonide is a steroid nasal spray and it acts like an inhaler instead of other steroid nasal sprays. Do you know what is she allergic too? Prevention can be better than treatment. If she's only allergic to 1 or 2 allergen, immunotherapy can help.

    I don't think I have heard about the herbal supplement that your daughter is taking. But I guess since she's taking oral medications, it's best not to mix with herbal supplements or at least let the doctor know about it. But if it's not helping... don't take it anymore. It might work for someone else but not your daughter maybe.

    Take care too!

     
    Old 09-06-2005, 06:06 AM   #10
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    Re: Hives!!

    Hello Cheerangel!

    Since this morning when I last saw my daughter before she left for school, til she came back home 10 hours after, her rashes have surprisingly gotten a lot better. Maybe 50% or more have already subsided.

    This is her 3rd day of taking fexofenadine hcl , together with the juice supplement (which claims to have no contraindication with western medicine, but enchances them supposedly). And this is the first day when I saw marked improvement. So i wouldn't know which one is doing more of the clearing work. :-)

    i will just stay on this track for a couple of days more to see if the combination clears up the whole thing. Then i will not really care which one did more work as long as they worked as a tandem anyway!

    I will keep you posted if you still interested to know. :-) (How can i get those smiley icons you use? I know I have them in my Yahoo IM. but i can't find it here) Again, thanks a whole lot cheerangel!

    karol

    I wonder what happened to courtenaynt? Sorry courtenaynt. I didn't mean to take over your thread with my situation. :-( I hope you doing ok now, that's why you never came back to check anymore. Thanks too. If not for your HIVES topic, i wouldn't have started joining this message board, and learn a lot from it.

    btw, the other only thread i check out besides this one is on the one on DEATH & DYing, where i read about Prayingmom's "My son is dying" topic. its so sad... but i believe an equal number of people passing through gets ecouragement & does the encouraging there.

     
    Old 09-06-2005, 08:21 AM   #11
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    Re: Hives!!

    Oh, that's okay. I have been away for the weekend.

    I am now on 20mg of Zyrtec and 10mg of Singulair. I am also allowed to take Benedryl to help me sleep if I need (instead of my nightly Zyrtec). Ugh.

    But they don't know what I'm allergic to! This is the pits. It's ruining everything. The only thing that makes it stop is a cold/cool bath. Which isn't really that appealing, but it is all that will get me back to sleep in the night if I'm awoken.

    I just pray it goes away soon! I'm at my wit's end.

     
    Old 09-12-2005, 06:11 PM   #12
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    just want to warn anyone taking prednisone to beware of bone density levels - make certain to up calcium intake and discuss bone density effects with your doctor. I am suffering from not doing all of the above, and now have low bone density. prednisone works, but it can cause some serious side effects.

     
    Old 09-19-2005, 11:58 PM   #13
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    Re: Hives!!

    Hi all! I'm new to this forum, but unfortunately not new to urticaria
    For me it lasts since March this year and it is really embarrassing, to say the least.

    Anyway, I too found out that corticosteroids (I've been on prednisolone therapy for two periods) are very effective, but only for the time you are on that type of medication. After you stop taking the pills the urticaria comes back.
    After the second prednisolone therapy I got rid of the rashes and itching for more than two weeks. I felt like I were in heaven, guys. Unfortunately the urticaria returned and now I'm back in hell...

    I am "blessed" with chronic urticaria which my doc believes to be of autoimmune origin, so for me corticosteroids are not a solution. At least not a permanent one. Besides they have a row of grave side effects.
    My doc says, and I tend to belive her, that prednisolone or other steroids should be viewed only as last resort and only in cases of excessive rashes and swelling. So my advice is, refrain from taking such pills. OK, they help for a while, but you can't really be sure what damage they cause simultaneously.

     
    Old 09-20-2005, 08:14 AM   #14
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    Re: Hives!!

    How do they know it's autoimmune? Did you have allergy testing?

    I'm not sure I can live with this for the rest of my life!

     
    Old 09-20-2005, 11:19 PM   #15
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    No such tests can be made here (because there is no good laboratory). But my dermatologists has sent me to a number of other tests and since nothing showed from there, on one hand, and the urticaria continues, on the other, she has assumed that it is almost certainly autoimmune.
    Apart, I have a thyroidites (sp?) and my doc thinks that it is highly likely that both diseases are autoimmune and related. Nice, huh?

     
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