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    Old 04-05-2005, 04:57 PM   #1
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    Klonopin/Xanax Anxiety and panic

    undefinedI've been on Klonopin for a week now. Instead of 1 mg. of Xanax before bed I take .5 Xanax and .5 Klonopin. It almost seems like the Klonopin revs me up a bit. It doesn't make me feel anxious, but I do have a hard time getting to sleep since taking it. Today I took Klonopin instead of my .5 morning dose of Xanax. It seemed okay until around noon then the anxiety kicked in. I took a Xanax instead of a Klonopin which got me through until about 5 PM. I'm getting so confused with all these drugs I just don't know which way to go. I want to wean off of everything (slowly), but I need to make sure I'm ready first. At this point, I'm just not sure which way to go. My doctor always tells me to experiment and do what I think works best. I mean, he gives me a limit and ideas, but wants me to try different ideas on my own. WHY DOES PANIC AND ANXIETY EVEN HAVE TO EXIST?????? It ruins so many people's lives!!!!!!

     
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    Old 04-05-2005, 05:08 PM   #2
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    Re: Klonopin/Xanax Anxiety and panic

    both meds are valium type and similar but some people dont react in the usual way to some of them
    K lasts longer than X, not a good idea to take either before bed as they will be used up by morning and you may eventually lose your ability to fall asleep naturally
    you should learn relaxation and CBT before weaning off
    these meds are best taken only as needed, IMO, we all have out good days when none is needed

     
    Old 04-05-2005, 09:32 PM   #3
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    Re: Klonopin/Xanax Anxiety and panic

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    both meds are valium type and similar but some people dont react in the usual way to some of them
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    K lasts longer than X, not a good idea to take either before bed as they will be used up by morning and you may eventually lose your ability to fall asleep naturally
    K lasts longer than X, not a good idea to take either before bed as they will be used up by morning and you may eventually lose your ability to fall asleep naturally
    you should learn relaxation and CBT before weaning off
    these meds are best taken only as needed, IMO, we all have out good days when none is needed

    How long do you feel you have to be on Xanax and at what dose before you seriously run into this problem? I've been taking a .5mg dose for about seven weeks due to high anxiety and depression (due to a hearing loss in Feb.) and not being able to sleep since then. I don't take any during the day or night even though my Anxiety and Depression has been UNBEARABLE! I'm afraid of getting any more dependant on this or any other drugs.
    I tried one evening a couple weeks ago, when I was'nt really having that bad of anxiety or depression to sleep without the Xanax and just laid there for over an hour before I eventually fell asleep. However, I woke up 45 minutes later and started the anxiety attack right away. I had to take the pill to get back to sleep. However, I only sleep for a couple hours at a time while on the pill!
    My doctor insists I need a heavier dose, but I even told him that no matter how big a dose, It only works for a couple hours then your up again! He thinks I'm resisting getting better, but I'm just afraid of never getting my regular sleeping habits back again. Is .5mg for seven weeks enough time to screw up my natural sleep pattern? How can I get it back if I still have all this anxiety, depression and stress? I've tried Valerian for quite a while (couple times during the day and in conjunction with the Xanax before bed) and it really does'nt help that much. As far as relaxation techniques,, I'm so wired and near paraylized with the anxiety and depression I can't fathom any techniques that would work or that I could relax enough to focus on.
    I'm looking to find a therapist who specializes in Anxiety and Depression, however, not to be a total downer, I don't think talking out how I feel is going to cure me in anytime short of MONTHS and I won't last that long at this rate! I've already driven my wife NUTS with all of my "talking out my feelings" since this began. Just having someone telling you to focus on other things or keep busy, when you have nothing else to focus on and can't keep busy for that long, is easier said then done!
    Help is always appreciated!

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    MMS1

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    Old 04-06-2005, 01:15 AM   #4
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    Re: Klonopin/Xanax Anxiety and panic

    You should try the Xanax XR (extended release) in the morning....either .5 MG or a full 1 MG....this is even longerlasting half life than Klonopin. It has worked wonders for me. You don't even think about it until the next day...complete relief.

     
    Old 04-06-2005, 05:56 AM   #5
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    Re: Klonopin/Xanax Anxiety and panic

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    How long do you feel you have to be on Xanax and at what dose before you seriously run into this problem? I've been taking a .5mg dose for about seven weeks due to high anxiety and depression (due to a hearing loss in Feb.) and not being able to sleep since then. I don't take any during the day or night even though my Anxiety and Depression has been UNBEARABLE! I'm afraid of getting any more dependant on this or any other drugs.
    I tried one evening a couple weeks ago, when I was'nt really having that bad of anxiety or depression to sleep without the Xanax and just laid there for over an hour before I eventually fell asleep. However, I woke up 45 minutes later and started the anxiety attack right away. I had to take the pill to get back to sleep. However, I only sleep for a couple hours at a time while on the pill!
    My doctor insists I need a heavier dose, but I even told him that no matter how big a dose, It only works for a couple hours then your up again! He thinks I'm resisting getting better, but I'm just afraid of never getting my regular sleeping habits back again. Is .5mg for seven weeks enough time to screw up my natural sleep pattern? How can I get it back if I still have all this anxiety, depression and stress? I've tried Valerian for quite a while (couple times during the day and in conjunction with the Xanax before bed) and it really does'nt help that much. As far as relaxation techniques,, I'm so wired and near paraylized with the anxiety and depression I can't fathom any techniques that would work or that I could relax enough to focus on.
    I'm looking to find a therapist who specializes in Anxiety and Depression, however, not to be a total downer, I don't think talking out how I feel is going to cure me in anytime short of MONTHS and I won't last that long at this rate! I've already driven my wife NUTS with all of my "talking out my feelings" since this began. Just having someone telling you to focus on other things or keep busy, when you have nothing else to focus on and can't keep busy for that long, is easier said then done!
    Help is always appreciated!

    Thanks,
    MMS1
    Hey MMS1
    First, you need to realize that everyone's body adjusts to meds. in a different way. A .5 dose of Xanax can usually help me for about 5 hours, depending on what I'm doing. I take Xanax 4 times a day. .5 in morning, .5 around noon, .5 around 5 PM, and 1 mg. before bed. So, I'm at 2 1/2 mg. right now, which is a pretty high dose. However, I feel good and normal, and that is what is most important. This is the second time I've been on Xanax. The first time I was on 6 mg. daily. With the help of my doctor, I was able to wean off it, but it took almost a year. No problems!! Then, after another 3 1/2 years, I had another major panic attack that left me frozen and almost agoraphobic. I had no choice but to start the Xanax again. Knowing the addiction tendencies and what I'm going to have to do again when I'm ready as far as weaning the med., thats not a problem. As long as it's done slowly, and with the help of a doctor, I can do it again. I've done it before and I can do it again. As far as your sleeping problem, there are alot of other drugs that can help you, if thats your main concern. But, if you are miserable with a constant anxiety feeling and panic attacks, there is no reason to live like that. Yes, all bens. have a chemical dependency, but, you can wean off of them. I'm speaking from personal experience. Like another post says, there is the Xanax XR which is supposed to last 12-24 hours. This didn't help me, but in your case, this could help you alot. There are also other meds., Klonopin or Ativan that are longer lasting that Xanax.
    As far as relaxation techniques, this is something you have to learn. It is hard, but can be done. Soft music, a beautiful picture of something (like a seasonal landscape), quietness, and good thoughts all help with relaxation. I'm still learning how to do this because you need to close you mind to everything and focus solely on relaxing.
    Cognitive behavioral therapy does help, but this too, needs to be learned. If you look up on the internet about panic attacks...especially on a medical site, you will realize that what you are feeling when you have an attack is completely normal, but at the wrong time. A panic attack is a natural fight or flight symptom that our body feels if we are in danger. The problem with PA's is that these happen even when we are not in danger and thats why they are so scary. On any medical website, it will explain that we cannot die from an attack, it doesn't last very long (although the apprehension of having another one can continue if you don't get your thoughts under control), and once our body realizes that there is no danger, it will automatically release endorphins which are our natural relaxation chemicals in the brain, so that the attack will stop.
    I'm not telling you to take meds. or not, because there are other routes that you can take, but if you are miserable, bens. (Xanax, Klonopin, Ativan) is the best meds. to calm your nerves and curb the edginess and anxiety. Your dosage, .5, is not high at all and shouldn't bother your natural sleeping patterns. Especially if you don't take Xanax on a regular basis. But, if you take it consistantly at night before bed, do not just stop it.

    So, from my experiences with panic/anxiety, Xanax gave me my normal life back. And when I feel that I'm ready, I'll wean to a lower dosage or to no meds. at all. Just remember that all meds. work differently on everyone. What may work on one person, may not work with you. It's almost a hit and miss problem that needs to be adjusted to whatever makes you feel your best. Good luck!

     
    Old 04-06-2005, 05:59 AM   #6
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    Re: Klonopin/Xanax Anxiety and panic

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    Originally Posted by hry33
    both meds are valium type and similar but some people dont react in the usual way to some of them
    K lasts longer than X, not a good idea to take either before bed as they will be used up by morning and you may eventually lose your ability to fall asleep naturally
    you should learn relaxation and CBT before weaning off
    these meds are best taken only as needed, IMO, we all have out good days when none is needed
    I agree that Xanax among others should be taken on an as needed basis, if you can get by with it. But, unfortunately, this is not the case with me. I'm dependent on this med., but I don't abuse it.

     
    Old 04-06-2005, 03:57 PM   #7
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    Re: Klonopin/Xanax Anxiety and panic

    Thanks Purrsia,
    Yes at this point I'd rather be on something "non-addictive" or "Natural" to get me to sleep instead of the Xanax, since as much as the Xanax gets me to fall asleep, it Does'nt keep me asleep (there-in lies the problem). Then I'd be willing to take the .5mg dose that I normally take before bed and use that during the day to keep me "functional".
    Therefore, in your mind and experience, even though you mention not to just stop taking it if I'm taking it consistantly at bedtime (which I have been), what if I was to find something else to get me to fall asleep (if that's possible) and just took my Xanax dose during the day instead? As I mentioned in my last post, I feel since I've been taking it to fall asleep and so far I have'nt slept through the night yet while on it,, I'm afraid it's screwing up my normal sleep patern the longer I'm on it and will have an impossible time being able to sleep through the night unless I get off it and use something else to help me fall asleep and Stay asleep. Any thoughts?
    Thanks for your reply and I appreciate your suggestions! Take care.

    MMS1

     
    Old 04-06-2005, 04:35 PM   #8
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    Re: Klonopin/Xanax Anxiety and panic

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    Thanks Purrsia,
    Yes at this point I'd rather be on something "non-addictive" or "Natural" to get me to sleep instead of the Xanax, since as much as the Xanax gets me to fall asleep, it Does'nt keep me asleep (there-in lies the problem). Then I'd be willing to take the .5mg dose that I normally take before bed and use that during the day to keep me "functional".
    Therefore, in your mind and experience, even though you mention not to just stop taking it if I'm taking it consistantly at bedtime (which I have been), what if I was to find something else to get me to fall asleep (if that's possible) and just took my Xanax dose during the day instead? As I mentioned in my last post, I feel since I've been taking it to fall asleep and so far I have'nt slept through the night yet while on it,, I'm afraid it's screwing up my normal sleep patern the longer I'm on it and will have an impossible time being able to sleep through the night unless I get off it and use something else to help me fall asleep and Stay asleep. Any thoughts?
    Thanks for your reply and I appreciate your suggestions! Take care.

    MMS1
    I'm not sure if it would hurt to change the Xanax and just quit it at night cold turkey. You haven't been on it that long, but why don't you try 1/2 pill tonite and some Benedryl. I take Benedryl every night to help me sleep. This was prescribed by my doctor for sleep and it works great. I'm not sure how you feel on this issue. There is also Sleepytime Teas and green tea that will give you a calming effect. These also work. One other thing is called Seratonin. This would be with the vitamins.

     
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