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    Old 11-09-2006, 09:33 PM   #1
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    Hi i'm currenly suffering from anxiety/panic/ocd to the point where i've completely withdrawln from everything. I was doing better (about 2 weeks)until i went to take a mri and had a panic attack within 2 minutes. So now that brought it all back to where it was before i started getting better. I recently (about 4 days ago) started taking .5 mg xanax once a day when i start experiencing depersonalization/derealization with vertigo (xanax helps). The vertigo is pretty much all day everyday and is a rocking type vertigo. Is this common in these disorders? Its by far the freakiest thing ever and was curious if anyone experiences it and has some tips to bring you back to reality as soon as possible.

     
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    Old 11-10-2006, 03:43 PM   #2
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    Old 11-11-2006, 08:21 AM   #3
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    Re: depersonalization/derealization

    I get derealization ALOT and sometimes depersonalization. I've read somewhere online that it's a very common symptom of anxiety ..... if you google depersonalization is should be the first link it comes up with.

    Take Care, and you are NOT alone.

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    Old 11-12-2006, 06:39 PM   #4
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    Re: depersonalization/derealization

    Hi Buck85
    I just wanted to share this with you..
    Perhaps it will be helpful to you as well as others who may read this post!
    Depersonalization is a SYMPTOM of an anxiety disorder. Depersonalization can not exist without anxiety, but anxiety can exist without depersonalization.
    Depersonalization is caused by a shift in the part of the brain that provides us with a 'real' awareness of our environment, which are caused by changes which occur in the way nerve signals are processed by the brain during anxiety disorders.
    I DID tons of research on this myself, in fear of thinking I was going crazy!!
    Depersonalization can include feelings of, unreal unattached, spaciness like a dream state, spaced~out, feeling like your head is in a fog, withdrawn, and dreamlike state.. Derealization is completely harmless but can be very disturbing. I know I myself often have depersonalization/derealization feelings. It's just all part of this wonderful disorder!!! Any thoughts or questions just let me know.. boxerlover

     
    Old 11-12-2006, 10:35 PM   #5
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    First off i just wanted to thank you for the response boxer. I'm going through the same exact thing you are. Every single symptom you have is what i have and it gives my mind ease knowing that I'm not the only one with all of this. I think constant vertigo is the thing thats driving me nuts... because when i start getting really bad vertigo at times, thats when the dp/dr seems to kick in. The feelings are so horrible and people that are around you have absolutely no clue what its like. Its almost like they think its just these little dizzy spells or something. Theres nothing like sitting completely still in a chair and feeling like you're in a car. But anyways i do have a couple questions for you.

    1. Have you had agoraphobia?

    2. Have you seen any psychiatrists or therapists?

     
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    good morning all----just to jump in for a minute. i was dx with PTSD about 5 years ago. the first time i noticed something was wron i had disassociated. i wasn't sure at first but since i knew sonething was wrong i went for a physchiatrict eval and was put with a PTSD specialist. we did alot of work for about 2 years and i was doing great. then i was injured on the job and noticed as time went on the i was in a bad way. i would "leave" every once in awhile. got to the point that i was afraid to go out alone, driving is one of the most stressful things i can do. driving home form PT one day i put my turn signal on and forgot why or what i was doing or even how to drive at that point. the tears came to the point of sobbing for hours. i am back with my PTSD counselor who tells me i am in a bad place right now. see her again on wed and will ask her to explain a little more as to what is going on. it's very scary and if your not already extrememly anxious the disassociation will being you there.

     
    Old 11-13-2006, 12:57 PM   #7
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    Re: depersonalization/derealization

    Hi Bucks85
    You are very welcome! I am sorry to hear you are suffering from the same symptoms as me. I know how life altering vertigo can be and I totally understand what you are feeling and are going through. I will first start off by telling you my symptoms began back in 1999 I was at work and was hit with bad room spinning vertigo and a massive headache. I went to the doctors and was told it was a inner ear infection.. My ears did not hurt at all but thought perhaps it was inner.. So I went home "Barely" and was bed ridden for a few weeks only to become worse. I returned to the Doctors and was given 100 blood test and tested positive to Lyme disease. I was treated for
    1 1/2 years with medication and began to recover but the vertigo stayed!
    I developed horrible panic attacks and anxiety because of this (as you yourself can relate to) I was seen by specialist after specialist Ent, neurologist, physical therapist, cardiologist.. And so on with nothing other then the old you were treated as you should have (meaning the Lyme)
    and we don't know what to tell you it must be anxiety related. So I spent years in therapy which did help with other issues but still had vertigo, which my therapist thinks is triggering the anxiety... So which came first so to speak the chicken or the egg? I can tell you this if I didn't have the vertigo I KNOW my anxiety and panic attacks would be minimal.. I spin I float I sway I feel as if I am falling, I PANIC!!
    I have ALL the symptoms you complain about.. I do have headaches pressure, tension type daily.. I am told it is related to my jaw clenching from all the anxiety so I do have TMJ issues.. Not sure if you do as well.
    I limit my going out. I used to be able to handle it much better but I can't sit still in a restaurant or movie theater without feeling as if I am falling tilting dropping or moving. I find that if I am walking and I stop I still feel like I am moving sort of an outer body type sensation.. I have trouble as well standing still in the car I feel like I am rolling backwards or forward, when I am actually standing still.. This creates a tremendous amount of depression, frustration, and anxiety because my life just plain and simple has become one of the most
    greatest challenges.. I know that no one can truly understand unless they have felt this way themselves.. It is a horrible way to live.. Life has become limited, can't plan ahead without knowing how you may feel that day.. Can't enjoy the things you once did.. At times you feel as if you are just existing and not truly living.. That being said don't get me wrong I know that there are so many things I am grateful for in my life, my family, my health etc..
    So yes I know how you feel and your not alone at all..
    May I ask how long have you had vertigo? Did the anxiety come first or the vertigo? I see you mentioned in another post an ENT appointment tomorrow again.. I wish you luck on this visit and hope you find some answers unlike me! I think the unknown is just as bad as the feelings.. If you have any other thoughts let me know, or just need to talk I am here and in the same 'boat"
    so to speak! boxerlover

     
    Old 11-13-2006, 12:58 PM   #8
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    Oh yeah and the xanax is the only thing for me that calms down the symptoms but not enough to say that they are completly gone.. Boxer

     
    Old 11-13-2006, 03:40 PM   #9
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    Bucks85~
    I meant to ask you do your eyes feel really weird too????

     
    Old 11-13-2006, 04:24 PM   #10
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    I'll give you the whole story later on when my vertigo isnt in full swing... but it started about 6 months ago with sinus probblems, fogginess, and fatigue. The next day I had my first anxiety attack and got incredibly scared and started worrying about my health. I didnt have vertigo back then... but about 4 weeks ago i got a middle ear, sinus, and throat infection at the same time. I was doing ok and was able to drive etc until the vertigo hit which really disabled me and brought me into this constant panic and overwhelming anxiety. Thats when the tilting sensation and spinning movements started getting real bad. I went to a neurologist and had an MRI done of my brain sinus and cervical spine and was diagnosed with sphenoid and maxillary sinus disease. That was last week and now i have flu like symptoms with another ear infection which is bringing on another sinus infection. Its so hard dealing with all of this along with horrible anxiety. As for the eye problems... yes and this all started after the first ear infection... my eyes feel incredibly heavy, burn and i seem to see everything in slow motion. It looks like things are moving when im trying to focus on something (tv, compter, etc) But yeah i'll give u the whole scoop later on.

    EDIT: boxer how much xanax do you take daily? I just started like a week ago cause i couldnt make it through an mri without freaking out lol. But it helped and helps me out a ton during the day... but it seems to wear off within like 3 hours...

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    Old 11-13-2006, 06:27 PM   #11
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    Re: depersonalization/derealization

    Hi bucks~
    sorry your having a bad day.. I really think your vertigo sounds like more of an ear disorder verses anxiety.. That's just my opinion based on what you have told me so far.. I think mine can also be ear or tmj related because I do get these sharp shooting pains deep down inside my ear at times.. But every time I go to the Doctor she just looks in my ears gives me antibiotics and some nasal spray and sends me on my way and the balance never resolves.. Frustrating!!! I know inner ear balance problems can make anxiety 1000 times worse.
    I also have the eye problems too... They are exactly as you described.. It's amazing that are vertigo is pretty much the same. I take the lowest dose of xanax I guess it's 0.25mg It seems to take the edge off as I mentioned but still feel some motion. Without it I don't know if I would be able to function..
    Perhaps you should ask your doctor for the xanax Xr I believe it is released throughout the day, maybe that would be better choice for you..
    I wanted to know do you feel better when you lay down also? That is the only time I feel somewhat normal..
    I am curious to see how you make out tomorrow keep me posted!
    Wishing you Luck! Boxerlover (boxer's Leave Paw Prints in Our Hearts Forever)

     
    Old 11-13-2006, 07:08 PM   #12
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    lol thats so b.izarre... thats the only relief i ever get is when i lay down... I sleep on a waterbed which makes it 10x better i think. I suppose its helps me psychologically in a sense that if im feeling vertigo and a swaying feeling... i can just rock a little bit and the bed will move and take my mind off it. Thanks again and i will let you know as soon as i get back

    by the way, how old are you boxer? 22 here.

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    Old 11-16-2006, 10:53 PM   #13
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    Well after getting that shot of rocephin and taking more antibiotics... my balance has definitely been improving. My feeling of movement when sitting still is improving. The constant rocking vertigo is improving. The sinus and ear congestion also seems to be improving. The only thing i'm stuck with now is feeling incredibly weird that im somewhat feeling normal again. I've been battling different problems for the last 5 months and now that it seems to be improving... i seriously don't know how to act. I pretty much broke down the other night because i dont really remember what normal is like. I was just sitting there and suddenly I started suffering from a horrible depersonalization episode which i think turned into a panic attack(without the racing heartbeat etc) I just have a question... is it normal to be freaking out about somewhat feeling normal after suffering for the past 5 months? It's like since i withdrew from everything in life and now after not doing anything really for 5 months i feel like i can do something... but not incredibly sure. I've been feeling incredibly confused and any advice would be greatly appreciated. I know it sounds weird but if you've ever experienced vertigo 24-7 and then it starts going away, its so weird adjusting to.

     
    Old 11-17-2006, 11:42 AM   #14
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    Hi Bucks85~
    Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner.. The last few days have been horrible for me.. My vertigo is really getting the best of me the last few days.. I feel as if my head is not connected to my shoulders. Very floaty feeling and spaced out/brain fog! I am Glad to hear you are getting some relief.. But sorry to hear you are having a "hard" time adjusting to not having vertigo.. I would think some of the anxiety that you felt with the vertigo is causing you to feel this way.. Here is something I wrote in a previous post that may apply to you..
    In fact inner ear problems that have completely resolved but the symptoms still persist, despite the resolution of the inner ear disorder can happen. In this case I was told and found VERY interesting is that it appears the inner ear disorder triggered an anxiety, panic, or phobic state. In this situation, the psychological disorder perpetuates the dizziness, despite the fact that the underlying inner ear disorder has resolved. How interesting is that!!!
    So don't be surprised if your anxiety, panic and other symptoms hang around a little bit longer than the actual inner ear problem!!
    I have had this since 1999 and still no relief!! Hopefully you have better luck and are able to start living a normal and healthy life!!! I am 34 by the way I know you had asked, but all my symptoms started in my 20's!!
    Hope your having a better day.. Talk soon

     
    Old 11-18-2006, 01:28 PM   #15
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    Does anyones dp/dr actually have a time which it seems to hit you the hardest? I've been dealing with it pretty much all day past few days but right after it gets dark around 7pm it hits me really hard. I'm so worried about suicide and all that crap cause i've heard dp/dr has a high rate and it really bothers me knowing that. Anyone else?

     
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