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    Old 03-10-2003, 03:19 PM   #1
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    Recently I was diagnosed with Hyperventilation syndrome which is anxiety related. The DR prescribed xanax and said not to take it unless I absolutely had to.
    I thought I was having a heart attack. And he said all of the symptoms I'm having are HVS related.
    Fortunately, I don't have racing heart but I do have palpitations. I guess that's what you'd call them. I get it usually only on awaking in the morning and it feels like an extra beat{only feel this occasionally} between regular beats or like a rolling sensation in the chest.
    They've already done an EKG and I have an appt to see another DR.
    When I get an attack{except for the first one or two I had and felt like I couldn't breathe} I just get an awful dizzy or spacey feeling usually with no other symptoms although sometimes I'll feel a thump in my chest which makes me panicky and a slight nausea. After I feel so tired like I can't go. Fortunately I don't get them really bad but about once a week. The rest of the time it's mild and only lasts a few seconds. But each time it's worse. The last time I was in Burger King by myself and I thought I was going to black out{no other symptoms}. The next day I was just exhausted.
    I'm wondering if anyone else has had the funny sensations in the chest. Has anyone else been diagnosed with HVS?

     
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    Old 03-12-2003, 05:11 PM   #2
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    I havent heard of that but I wonder if I may have that. I have tried to tell people about that rolling sensation in my chest and cant seem to explain it. I have the skipping heartbeat also and have had EKG's and monitors and all. They say it is anxiety. That rolling sensation, is it when you breathe in and it is just a weird feeling in your chest and sometimes it makes you catch your breathe and you may cough. Does it feel like that to you? It is really hard to explain the actual feeling. I just wondered if that is the same thing.

     
    Old 03-12-2003, 06:53 PM   #3
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    Finally, I think I have found someone who has the same kind of symptoms I have!!! I don't even know where to begin but here goes... (I will try and not be too long)

    For about 2-3 years now, I get a weird feeling in my chest-upper abdomen area (not quite sure where it comes from). It doesn't happen all the time, and it doesn't hurt, but it still scares me. It feels like something has spasmed, or moved, hard to explain, and the degree of feeling varies too. My usual reaction is to cough, don't know why.

    Last August, I had a really bad chest cold. Just when I was starting to get better, I had something weird happen. I was sitting in my chair (where I haven't sat since) when it was like my heart or something else pounded hard 4-5 times. There was no pain, but it scared the crap out of me, and then my pulse was racing, and I was so scared. I phoned the hospital, but they didn't seem to concerned, but I went there anyway. They did tests, and said that it was anxiety and prescribed Ativan, and sent me home. I quit smoking right then, and I had also occasionally smoked pot, but stopped then also, and haven't smoked anything ever since. I also don't drink.

    Now, I have changed the way I eat in lots of ways, take vitamins all the time, been to the doctor for lots of tests, but I feel so awful every single day. I am so light headed, feel spaced out, just don't feel right. I rarely take the ativan, and when I do it is maybe a quarter of a pil. I still have those weird feelings in my chest, and now it feels heavy or like something is stuck, and I don't feel like I breathe right. My chest is very sore alot in different areas and ways, and I have headaches and tingling at times. Every little feeling in my chest and abdomen scares me, and I hate the feeling like I am losing it. I could go on an on about my symptoms, but I shouldn't. I haven't had a doctor tell me what happened to me in August to put my mind at ease, and I haven't been actually diagnosed with anything at all. I need help, and it is almost impossible to see a good doctor where I live. Any advice would be great.

     
    Old 03-12-2003, 07:07 PM   #4
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    I wanted to mention also that I have been looking into HVS, as I find that I yawn and burp and sigh alot. I have had stomach problems for a long time (duodenal ulcers) which has left my duodenum scarred, and I have also been having pain in my upper abdomen.

    I am so very tired of feeling like this, and I want it to go away so bad. Again, any advice would be great.

     
    Old 03-15-2003, 06:46 PM   #5
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    What you had with the palps with the cold is pretty normal. Sometimes you'll get it when you have a fever.
    The one thing I found out from my own experience and reading others peoples is that emergency people will automatically put it down to anxiety especially if you're fairly young{I just 34}. They'll do an EKG, sometimes they'll do other stuff and then they send you on your way with xanax or ativan{they gave me xanax} knowing full well you can't take it on a daily basis because it's addictive. I was just reading to today about how some DR's treat patients like they're nutty when they can't find disease.
    Anyway, the first DR said HVS and anxiety. I've been back to my regular DR and so far I've had two more EKG's, an echo, holtor monitor, thyroid tests, sugar tests and deficiency tests{blood work} to rule out sugar or thyroid problems. So far the EKG reveals tachycardia{fast heart rate} which is actually the rolling sensation I was talking about although I didn't know it was fast heart rate. Although this morning I seemed to have the rolling sensation and my pulse rate was 70{which is normal} so I'm not sure what's going on there. Other than that the EKG was normal. Echo was normal{DR said I had healthy heart so that made me feel better}, I'm still waiting on holtor results{hope that turns out good} and blood work.
    THe first DR's diagnosis may be right but without the other tests how would he know? My pulse rate was normal then though.
    When I went into my DR I was so nervous and anxious and I was breathing alot and was just twitching in that chair waiting. Anyway, my pulse rate was 106 when the nurse checked it and it was still fast when the DR did the EKG. I was so nervous I couldn't relax if I had wanted to plus I had myself worked into a frenzy before I got there worrying what he might say.
    The DR that did the Echo said that both anxiety and hyperventilation can cause racing heart. He said what's happening is your body isn't using up the adrenalin like when you exercise and your HR increases.
    I was reading about adrenalin and the nervous system today and how several disorders like panic attacks, some benign tachycardias and some other ailments all have these in common. I guess because too much adrenalin goes into the blood and it's not going anywhere like when you exercise. They all center around the heart which I don't I don't understand. Although if some people get really nervous they'll urinate alot or get diarrhea or even throw up which I don't really understand either.
    Anyway, I have alot of abdominal problems like indigestion and stomach upset which fortunately I haven't had too much lately except today. I get these abdominal like flutters and it's always gurgling and bubbling in there and at first this really made me scared and I'd think it was my heart even I felt even a little twitch in my chest but it's not quite as bad now. Sometimes I feel like I need to cough too.
    Did they do all the tests like EKG, Echo, holtor, test the thyroid, sugar and for any deficiencies? My DR's testing for all of it. He also put me on 800 mg of magnesium a day{that's supposed to reduce palps} and the other DR said I could actually go to 1000 mg a day{I'm not up that high yet, I've been gradually adding it because it can cause diarrhea at higher doses}.
    The thing that bothers me the most is that I get palps{racing heart} at night when I'm sleeping. If I turn over I'll feel it{I'm awake but conscious enough to feel it}. But just as soon as I wake up it slows back down. I wanted to try to test my pulse in the morning when I just wake up to see how high it really is but I had to get up and get the BP/pulse checker and bt the time I did my pulse was back down to 70 so I didn't know. It's probably just as well. If I tested it and it was 115 or 120 or higher I'd absolutely panic. So far when it has been over 100 it's been about 105 or 102 or something like that. I have stuffy nose in the morning too.
    Anyway, I feel better now that I'm taking the magnesium. I can't say that's it's helping the palps alot{it is some, they are better in the daytime and a little better at night. I'm more relaxed and fall asleep faster when I go to bed and feel better overall. My Dad read in one of his health books that it was good for nervousness. I don't know but it has helped me. I was kind of surprised when one of the DR's said that some of that stuff in my Dad's health book is right.
    Whatever the case my Dr wants to try the natural stuff first and only resort to medication as a last resort. Some of the medicines aren't real effective and have bad side effects.
    Anyway, enough rambling.
    I can't suggest how to determine which DR's are good and which aren't. I don't know how many tests you've had done to absolutely rule out cardiac problems. If you've had everything I've had and they didn't say anything then your heart is most likely healthy or they would have said something.
    But if you're still having problems you could find another DR and of course he/she would run another series of tests. BUt if this one finds nothing too I suggest don't keep doing what I hear some doing{already been to 4 cardiologists}. At this point they are not only suffering from anxiety they are suffering from hypochondria too{running from one DR to the next and having a new set of complaints to add to the old ones.} And I'm not saying these people are wrong or crazy because anxiety causes alot of symptoms, debilitating ones and I believe anxiety breeds hypochrondria and one ache is magnified ten or fifteen fold until the person is convinced there is something wrong and their DR just didn't catch it so they must go to another and another and another when each DR finds nothing and it's just a vicious cycle and a full blown disease.
    Anxiety breeds a myriad of symptoms and the person isn't dying but they fear they are especially when your heart races or one feels a twinge of pain and the anxiety keeps compounding. I'm not saying of a person has chest pain they shouldn't go the DR, it would be stupid if they didn't but it's gets useless if one has been to 5 different DR's and they all pronounce the person healthy{at the same time, not 1, 5 or 10 years later}.
    I understand this because the anxiety of wondering and hoping and praying nothing's wrong and thinking I'm too young for heart problems and I've always been healthy is certainly making my symptoms worse. So far some of the tests are normal and I still have to find out on a couple so there's some anxiety and I try not to think about it and just think if there is I didn't wait for a year or two to go, I went immediately.
    BUt there's still that, "Oops I forgot to tell the DR one or two of my ailments.
    I understand anxiety and hypochrondria not so much from my own perspective but from Dad's. Come to think of it my Dad kind of started the same way I have. He had an attack of hyperventilation which he thought was a heart attack and I was very young so I don't remember everything but my Dad ran to the DR alot convinced the DR missed something. And he was sick too. He had alot of physical ailments and finally after years of running from one DR to the next got into health and reading every health book he could and eventually he started to get better. He was never formally diagnosed with anxiety disorder but may have had it and my uncle suffers from alot of the same problems my Dad used to and it does run in families.
    I've rambled enough. Sorry. I understand some of your symptoms I'm having them too.
    When you find a DR ask questions. Whatever you don't understand ask. If he/she gives technical name for an ailment ask what it means. Is it serious, benign, does anyone die from these ailments? What exactly does having this ailment mean? Ask why the body might be responding the way it is. What can you do to cure or prevent the ailment or lessen it's effects? ASk about diet, lifestyle changes, vitamins? If they give you a medicine ask about side affects and what you can expect and how much improvement. If there is a low percentage of improvement and lots of side affects ask if there might be another medicine that might be better with fewer side affects and higher %. Also it may sound crazy but if there are things you want to ask the DR and can't remember write it down.
    If the DR you go to says you don't need vitamins or minerals of any kind and only wants to hand out addictive pills that you can't stay on for any length of time find another DR. If he doesn't want to even consider there might be benefit in supplements you might want to consider another DR. A good DR will give those pills if need be but only as a last resort.
    If the DR uses terminology you don't understand ask him to explain it instead of him saying it's not serious and you go home and start looking on the internet. If the DR doesn't check thyroid or sugar ask him too because both cause palps and a host of other symptoms.
    Also try to avoid reading stuff on the internet and saying, "That sounds like my symptoms."
    Anyway I hope this helps.

     
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    Think I can shed some light regarding your problem. Anxiety causes the body to panic, which causes body to spurt adrenalin. The increased adrenalin can do many things, such as race the heart and/or raise bloodpressure.

    The strange feeling you get in your chest is the centeral nervous system acting up.

    Took me 10 years of misery and finally getting down physically to find a doctor who knew about hyperventilation and anxiety. Most doctors brush you off and say nothing is wrong with you, like they did me but I knew something was wrong. I was finally diagnosed as being a "hidden hyperventilator". It is not obvious to yourself or others around you.

    I will try to explain what happens when you have anxiety and hyperventilate (you may not realize you are hyperventilating). Hyperventilation causes a carbon dioxide deficiency (Co2). The red carpusles have oxygen in them but cannot be released without a balance of Co2. Lack of Co2 causes the body to panic, this causes adrenal glands to spurt adrenalin. Many sensations as a result and the heart beats fast plus the possibility of bloodpressure being elevated. A fuzzy light head feeling is usually present. This is due to lack of oxygen to vital organs.

    Rebreathing in a paper sack for 5 minutes will calm anxiety and help keep the nervous system under control.
    I could not believe it took so many years of misery and serious bloodpressure problems before finding a hypertension research specialist that knew what my problem was with a mere glance observing my breathing.
    After 3 months of rebreathing in paper sack 5 minutes every hour while awake, my body started behaving much better. I still rebreathe in the paper sack off and on during the day to keep anxiety at bay.

    Hope this will help you as much as it has helped me. I can now live a more normal life instead of only being able to sit in a chair. That is where this type of problem can put you in time.

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    Old 03-17-2003, 06:15 PM   #7
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    Hi, I'm glad you posted and told me that. THe first DR said hyperventilation syndrome that was anxiety related. He was an emergency DR.
    Anyway, I'm curious, did you have the other things like racing heart and that sort of thing. The DR that did my echo said that both hyperventilation and anxiety can cause the heart to race. He said the body is not using the adrenalin up like in exercise and it had nowhere to go and so it causes problems.
    Anyway, my DR diagnosed me with sinus tachcardia{fast heart rate}, said I had a few pac's and pvc's but far lerss than 1%, and slight mitral valve prolapse{a slight flop without regurgitation}. My sugar was normal although I tohught it was low being 75 two hours after eating and I'm having symptoms if I go too long without eating and he gave a me a diet for.
    I also found out the hard way about sometihng as benign as nasal spray, it can really increase the heart rate.
    My DR put me on metoprolol.
    My holtor showed that my pulse went up to 171. That was during exercise I beleive but still too high.
    Did you have any of the other problems like racing heart or anything else like I have?
    I do know that last night when I went too long without eating I got weak then it madem e panicky and in turn I started to hyperventilate then after my heart started to race.

     
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    I am also taking vitamins, and have been basically since all of this started to happen to me. I have changed my life so much, but I still feel so crappy. I take magnesium and vitamin c and calcium and stress tabs and salmon oil every day. I thought about upping the amount of magnesium I take, but wasn't sure how much is safe. I drink water all the time, have changed some of the foods I eat, don't smoke, don't drink, don't do drugs, and yet I have never felt worse. I have lost around 20 pounds since I quit smoking. I might be able to deal with all the anxiety stuff, the dizziness, the fuzzy feeling, the headaches, etc. if someone can just tell me what the weird feeling I get is. I have had so many tests, have worn a holter monitor, been told my heart is fine. The feeling is so hard to describe, but I am pretty sure it is in my upper stomach area or somewhere around there, but not positive. It really stresses me out, not knowing. I am wondering if it is an esophogeal spasm or something like that, because it is like something spasms, sometimes lightly and other times more forceful. Any ideas, becaue my doctor blames everything on stress, and I don't think he takes me seriously whatsoever.

     
    Old 03-19-2003, 09:30 PM   #9
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    Pennylane,
    I seem to have alot of your symptoms. I think you may have the same feeling I get. I dont get it all the time. It seems impossible to explain. For awhile I wondered if I had asthma or something because of the weird feeling, but they assured me I didnt due to the fact I dont wheez. It really is scary when it happens and it throws me right into a panic attack. I have been told it is all anxiety too but nobody seems to be able to explain it to me or even understand exactly what I am talking about. I too, quit drinking, smoking, etc and drink tons of water, but have never felt worse. I must sound like a hypocondriac because I am always trying to figure out what this could all be or if it is just stress. Let us know if you find out anything!

     
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