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    Old 05-21-2013, 07:11 AM   #1
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    Hello I have had chronic pain for some time now. I am having a lot of back pain and neck pain I am told I have OA and fibromyalgia, along with Myofascial Pain and chronic pain. I have been diagnosed with other things but these are the ones the doctors say are causing all my problems. I have DDD and bulging disc alone with stenosis in my lumbar and neck. My back locks up on my every night around 2am and I feel as if I am paralyzed and cannot move until my husband moves my legs in a bicycle motion to get me moving again. I take methadone and Topamax. I get migraine so bad that I vomit. We tried to go off the Topamax once and I got migraine that landed me in the hospitals 3x in one week so I went back on them and it also helps with the never pain I get up and down my legs, arms and my back. I just feel so alone like no one understands this pain I feel every day. I had to take a medical leave from work since 2-1-2013, because I could no longer do my job, I was not able to stand or lift anything without being in so much pain. I donít sleep I have lost weight. My husband tries to understand and has pick up the slack so much, however I see the frustration in his face. I donít know how to handle this pain. My PCP say I have a underlying condition that has not shown it ugly face yet which scares me. Because my vit D3 levels is 8 and we cannot get it to go up I go back to be recheck again in a 2 weeks. However when I was check a month ago it went down from the 1st time, he told me it did not go down much but it should have went up not down. I have become so depressed from the pain. I would just like answer to how to deal with this and no I am not alone. I am so tried an hurt, my hand are numb and tingle alone with my feet, and my leg hurt every day and my back feel like electric currents are traveling through it and someone has a vice grip that is twisting inside and wonít let go, my shoulders feel like concert and lead the burn and hurt so much that run up the base of my neck cause serve headache so I have to keep take these dam pills. Most of my days consist of me in recline position because it is the only comfortable spot. My vision is getting worse. I see spots double vision, and a lot of blurriness. Went to the eye doctor he said I had some scaring on the cornea and inactive inflammation.( NO it is not the Topamax confirmed my the eye doctor) To let my doctor know, that it could be MS or RA. I have a lot of twitching mostly my legs but my arms and torso will do it also. This is all just getting old and getting to me. There are days I just do not want to go on anymore. What kind of life is this? It uses to only be the left side now it is starting to move to the right. There are other symptoms however, I just needed to vent for now.
    I am sorry if this a little confusing I am not very good about explaining how I feel on paper or heck even to the doctor half the time, LOL.

     
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    Old 06-09-2013, 10:48 AM   #2
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    I am so sorry sweetie you feel this way; of course pain is never easy.
    I wonder how old you are only b/c you mentioned MS. I have RA and I have Lupus and MS, and few spinal fusion surgeries which failed and left me completely disabled with a lot of complications. I live on pain medication around 'clock.
    MS is an easy diagnosed condition; one brain MRI shows lesions and few more symptoms and you got your diagnoses.
    I didn't hear RA symptoms in your writing, but I am not a DR to be able to diagnose anyone. And honestly, MS has a little different symptoms as well.
    Only good testing can give you the answers.
    I was diagnosed with Fibro (very popular diagnoses nowadays) when nobody even heard of it. At that time they didn't offer anything for it, so I lived very active life and worked hard. Usually Motrin and Advil helped me to go on; does it work for you?

    I think your Dr shouldn't say to you what he said. How he can say you have something serious but he doesn't know what? First, find out, search for it and than give right diagnoses. He is not a God to guess, don't you think so? I wouldn't even listen to what he said, this may mean absolutely nothing.
    DDD starts in people as early as 25, in some even earlier. Unfortunately out spine gets older before we do. Nothing we can do about, but live normal life. Sure it gets flared, sure it hurts, but moving is the key. Icing, heating if you can stand the ice, can help. Slow walking even in a bad days is a must. I learned it on my own experience.

    You want to know how we deal with pain? I can only speak for myself. I don't let any condition of mine determent who I am. I don't' let pain and other symptoms take my life away, no way I let it do it to me.
    I keep my mind preoccupy all the time. Even when i lay in bed not being able to move, even in the hospital with opioid drip from severe pain, I read, i do puzzles, I continue working on my book. Guess what? I get dissent days sometimes so I try to bake for my family. Not that they can't go and buy, but for me it important, I want to achieve something still in this uneasy life... Another words, I don't expect pity from nobody, I still want to be myself, even when I am squashed on a couch. lol
    I am lucky to have a wonderful and supportive family, my husband is very understanding. I heard once how he told our friends how amazing I am because I never complain. I think if I would be a complainer looking for pity, as good as he is, he wouldn't like that. Who would, right? He is always there for me and I think this gives me my confidence and strength. He pushes my wheel chair like it's nothing, it doesn't bother him a bid while I read how many husbands wouldn't do that...

    It's not easy sweet heart, I know where you are coming from. Do you have kids and how old are they? I hope they are not young and you don't have to take care of them in this situation.
    Did you have any serious testing done? Did you see a good specialists?
    One thing I can tell you from the bottom of my heart: do not stay with one doctor who doesn't give you the answers. Loyalty is good, but not when they don't know how to help us. I learned it in a hard way.
    It took me 4 years and 3 Rheumotologist to be diagnosed; one great doctor who finally would listen to me, who asked me why didn't I come earlier, before so many RA damages occurred?

    Take care of yourself, stay strong, everything will be OK... Life goes on believe me
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    Old 06-09-2013, 01:23 PM   #3
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    I agree with all Moldova has written. MY husband is my strength, figuratively and literally. He picks me up when I fall, (which is often). I brush myself off emotionally and go on. He has redone our whole kitchen because my long lost talent and love is cake decorating. Very physically challenging for me but I make myself do things. My theory is if I stop doing it I won't be able to do it again. I was misdiagnosed with polymyositis back in 1989 and took many, many different drugs for that disease for 15yrs. I went to the MDA Dr's and we did genetic testing which wasn't even available back then and it came back as Limb Girdle. Now I manage with what I have and try not to mourn what I"ve lost for too long. Once they find what is wrong you will feel much better because they will know how to treat it. Please keep up the hope. The future will be brighter.

     
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    Old 06-09-2013, 03:16 PM   #4
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    Re: How to deal with chronic pain

    Bjorie,

    painful to read about your misdiagnoses... Gosh, I can imagine how frustrating this was for you. But I feel your strength in your words and know you are fighting the best you can with pride.
    Keep going girl, until life goes on, we can't give up, right?

    I am so glad summer is here, warm and beautiful. I woke up on a Mother's day morning and my husband took me outside. He woke up early am that day and planted flowers for me knowing how much i love my little garden to be full of flowers. Did I ever mentioned he is 63 with diabetes?

    All the best to you all,
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    Old 06-10-2013, 08:53 PM   #5
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    Moldova - Yes I am so glad summer is here. Cold and wet makes it all so much harder doesn't it? Your husband sounds like a fine man. My husband is 66 and is my strength. He usually is a very strong, healthy guy but has had a bout of sciatica (?). Man does it ever show me how much he does around the house. When he is laid up worse than me we need to call on the kids to come and mow the lawn, grocery shopping etc. He's feeling a bit better and is getting a shot of some sort on Thursday. His Dr said this should help him back to normal. I hope your flowers are blooming for you. Soak up the sun, it never seems to be summer long enough. Be well.

     
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    Yes, you are right to give credit where credit is due! Husbands who so tirelessly, uncomplainingly take up the slack left by a constantly hurting wife, my husband is among them & they are great men, i dont know what i would do without his loving care & he is definitely a huge part of my being able to live in chronic pain like your thread title says. I should have mentioned it in my first post!

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    Old 06-15-2013, 07:14 AM   #7
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    Hello, I am 40 years old and I was tested for MS the end of May he just did the basic examine and they DR. said that I did not have it but to keep pushing forward because I did have some kind of problem going on but he was not a specialist in the back area. He said I had something going on and I need to be my own advocate because I am the only one who knows how I feel. Now this came from a doctor. He told me I was headed in the right direction to stay at clinic I am with now. As for RA I did find out I have the begging sign of it. I guess because I have some kind of edema in the synovial joint, of my SIJ and something with my jaw but they never told me what that was all about. I think because of my eye also but I not sure.
    I try to keep myself occupied as well; I currently have custody of my 2 years old step-granddaughter. She keeps me busy but I also endure a lot of pain from it as well. It is hard to keep up with her so there are times we have to just stay in the house. My husband is a GOD sent and I am thankful for him and he is a wonderful PAPA also. He does everything for her when he gets home even baths her so I don’t have to bend over the tub. However I am home with her all day so I am tried by the time he comes home there are night I am asleep my 7 at night( but I don’t stay asleep) but she does nap still so I sometimes nap with her. I have other kids to we have 7 altogether 25-13. The 13 get upset with me because I can’t just get up and go any more like I use to. But his 32 year old step-mom can. This diseases cause such havoc on my family for 2 years when it first started to get really bad, that my son wanted to go live with his dad, so I let him why should he suffer because his mother was broken. However now I see him a little more maybe he is dealing with it better. I lost 50lb since Christmas though and I want to know why? (Not that I am complaining) Anyway, Enough about me. Thanks for your response it was helpful. It is nice to be able to talk to people on here who understand what we are going through.

     
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    Glad to hear of the support many have from their spouses. I too am so grateful for my wife, she is my rock and my angel and I couldn't get through this without her help and support.
    So as far as dealing with chronic pain, I've been trying to keep myself on some kind of schedule, as best I can, as with any task, I usually have to rest after awhile and never know if something will cause a worsening of my symptoms or a bad day. Today in fact has been a challenge, since it has been raining and damp and as mentioned in a previous post, that is always fun with chronic pain and neck/muscle/nerve pain.
    But i digress....., what I have been trying to do is give myself little tasks. Even if it is to do a little light housework or a few errands to help my wife out. I also enjoy painting, so I have been trying to make sure I make time for that. Although to be totally honest it does cause some pain (as everything I do does), if I do it in small doses, and limited the time it is not too bad, and the reward is worth it, as I feel good afterward having created something.
    My goal has been not to be a permanent fixture in from of the tv and live life as much as I can. Just have to find the best ways to accomplish this while keeping my pain as under control as I can. Still a work in progress!
    Hope everyone is enjoying their summer so far!

     
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    Glad to hear of the support many have from their spouses. I too am so grateful for my wife, she is my rock and my angel and I couldn't get through this without her help and support.
    So as far as dealing with chronic pain, I've been trying to keep myself on some kind of schedule, as best I can, as with any task, I usually have to rest after awhile and never know if something will cause a worsening of my symptoms or a bad day. Today in fact has been a challenge, since it has been raining and damp and as mentioned in a previous post, that is always fun with chronic pain and neck/muscle/nerve pain.
    But i digress....., what I have been trying to do is give myself little tasks. Even if it is to do a little light housework or a few errands to help my wife out. I also enjoy painting, so I have been trying to make sure I make time for that. Although to be totally honest it does cause some pain (as everything I do does), if I do it in small doses, and limited the time it is not too bad, and the reward is worth it, as I feel good afterward having created something.
    My goal has been not to be a permanent fixture in from of the tv and live life as much as I can. Just have to find the best ways to accomplish this while keeping my pain as under control as I can. Still a work in progress!
    Hope everyone is enjoying their summer so far!
    Hello CSpineguy,
    Yes I agree with having a spouse who is supportive is great. I too try to do a little house work each day even if it one task I feel that I have accomplish something and at the same time has helped my husband too. However one of my fears is not knowing what is going to set off my flare up. So it has took me a while to get over that fear. Now I get up and it takes me at least 2 hours in the morning to get going them I have a schedule. Mon and wed are laundry days tues and thurs I put it away unless I am having a really good day on mon or wed then I put it away. I cook dinner usually unless I am having a bad day and I am lucky enough that he does not complain those day or it is take out. I don't vacuum due to my back but I will dust 2x week and the dishes get done by the dish washer so I empty that. We are raising my 2 year old granddaughter so I adjusted her nap time to mine she goes down at 2ish and will sleep till 4 or 5 still thank god. I am going to join the local YMCA they have a water aerobics there and they also offer low income the have a pay scale they use. So I am so happy because I don't work or get any help right now. I was just told I have TMJ and carpal tunnel on top of everything else so the pain has now travel to my face I am not happy but dealing. This chronic pain is for the birds. I use to ask what I did that was so wrong, now I been asking how I can help other and get through this together. I am just thankful my husband loves me. Funny thing the other day he had a hot flash and he said "oh my god is this what you go through all the time" "I said yup" " he say I am so sorry baby" And he is starting to get forgetful also and he is only 42 hell we are going to be in a nursing home before we are 50 LOl if we keep going the way we are. And he the health one. I am starting to worry he is pushing himself a little to much, however he is on vacation this week so he is getting some R&R except for the remolding of the bathroom LOL.

     
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    Dear 2young4pain, When i read your symptoms it reminds me of the symptoms associated with a condition i have but to have it there must have been an invasive procedure like a back surgery, spinal tap, epidural steroid inj or epidural anesthesia like in childbirth labor or for a c-secrion, a myelogram or CT scan with dye injected directly into spinal fluid or an infection like meningitis or
    tb of the spine. Have you had any of these procedures? Also, an MRI report that has the phrasing "clumping of the nerve roots" ? Im asking because it was kept secret from me from 1988-2012 & kept wondering if this could even be a possibility. Im sorry that you are going through all of this & really hope some solutions can be found to help you! God bless you!

     
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    Hello Gmak, I found out through Cleveland Clinic (CC). back in 2011 I had an MRI done by a different hospital and the radiologist who read my MRI screwed up everything and did not finish the finding. Well CC found the clumping of the nerves in the cauda equine. I have had epidurals with all 3 kids, I also had spinal injections, and I have Ct scan with dye. So knowing that he wants to do the RFA I am at a stand still with my PM because of this, I have heard of a lot of controversial things about it.. I am so sick of doctors lying about things. However CC has been really good so far and has got the ball moving trying to get me feeling better. However the whole fibro thing is not sitting with me so well, I believe in my gut something else is wrong. Like MS, I am going to be check for that because the rheumy I see believe that there is something else going on also beside fibro to. My legs give out on me all the time and I have bathroom problems. and I wake up and my SIJ are lock up and I cannot move. that just my back problems I have a whole different set of problems on the top part of my body. However my knew symptoms are my feet have been cramping up in the center on the bottom. alone with tingling and numbness up and down the legs and feet. I was just diagnose with TMJ and carpal tunnel also.

     
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    Ok, i remember now & i think that there is a very high probability that it sounds like adhesive arach if you indeed have a " clumping of nerve roots" MRI report. From what my dr told me that MS is diagnosed by a certain characteristic lesion on a brain MRI & RA by a positive blood test he called an RA latex but aa is kept hush hush & was for years while i received alot of catch all diagnosis like fibro, tmj, carpal tunnel, restless legs, peripheral vascular disease, failed back surgery syndrome, chronic pain syndrome, bliurry eyes & dental problems blamed o my narcotic medicine. All the while i had arach. Have you thought about having a new cervical & lumbar MRI with an instruction to the radiologist to look for adhesive arachnoiditis? Man, i pray that you do not have it but the symptoms that you describe are pretty classic compared to all ive studied! If you have read the burton report there is a long article written by dr sarah smith, an aa patient herself called The Adhesive Arachnoiditis Syndrome that is very comprehensively done & helpful. And all my nerve clumping is of the cauda equina as well, from L3 where my cord is tethered down to tailbone. My mri report is on back problem board, Want MRI results interpreted,please!

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    Hello Gmak, No I have not read that article or have heard of her. I was wondering if I should just come straight out and ask them on my next appointment. Maybe I should just be up-front and tell them, I don't have them money to be running around from doctor to doctor. As it is and I am not ashamed anymore to say this I am on their payment scale and I qualify for in the free zone what ever my insurance and co-pay does not pay for they pick up, because we do not make 76, 700 dollars a year. It took me a while to swallow my pride and to run with this but I had no choice after a while. I seen 3 specialist there and it cost me 6,ooo dollars in one day. that was the rheumy, spine and the hip doctor...As a new MRI the rheumy thinks that the Neuromuscular will ask for one so he can check for MS and other things he needs to look for but he will need to check the whole skeletal body and the Neuro head o might want one but he might want a CT . I don't know much about AA.. And Know one want to talk about it my PCP has dismiss me now that I go to CC. So I have to wait and see what they say on the 15th just don't know if I should say anything to them. I do know my PM was upset when I stop RFA in it's track because of this and I don't know why he would be.

     
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    Hi 2 young, 3 NS told me i have it & it is against protocol for treating it to disturb the spinal nerves now that they have achieved a "balance" Thats it. I had to read to find out everything i now know. Essentially some foreign substance falls in spinal fluid while dura open or is in jected in accidently through the needle puncturing dura or put in on purpose like dye for CT or myelogram. On certain people this starts an inflammatory response & spinal nerves swell, pushing out spinal fluid & scarring starts clumping or adhering spinal nerves to each other & in some cases like mine they eventually split apart & become glued or "one" with the dura. This can take days, weeks, months or years but continuous process & now any invasive procedure even a spinal tap can potentially sever a spinal nerve if needle goes through dura. The scarring is squeezing the spinal nerves to death & thats why neuropathy symptoms & bladder & bowel symptoms occur like cauda equina syndrome. There are videos that show the process under adhesive arachnoiditis, dr charles burton & dr jorge aldrete & dr sarah smith have written so much & i can understand them & there is alot to read even a section, the epidural steroid section under the burton report about procedures like the rfa. I cannot find one dr in the whole of the texas medical center or texas period & ive been looking since last fall. Have you researched CC to see who knows about clumping? In my research i have seen it mentioned as a good place. If i were you & i was contemplating bringing it up i would ask flat out if clumping was mentioned on lumbar MRI & if not mentioned what does he see examining films? Most of us meaning aa patients do not have an expert dr but i have found that if my dr acknowledges its presence & agrees to protect me from further surgeries & invasive procedures & prescribes coverage for pain relief & he agreed to study iy makes me feel like i hit the
    jackpot! But you havent been diagnosed with it so far so this hopefully to God is much ado about nothing!

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    Hello, Gmak , I had my MRI amended and they it say that the nerve roots are clumped together at the cauda equine. Now to get CC to re due a new MRI but to be looking for this as well so we can take care of this and know what not to do and what to do later down the road. I am wonder if this is what trigger all my problems after I had my last facet injection in sept.2012, after that I started to go down hill and that is when all the problem started to get worse and the inflammation started to spared every where, and then the flare up being. Can AA do this from a facet injection?

     
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