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cram315
04-25-2007, 02:03 PM
I cannot believe I am back on these boards, I thought the worst was behind me.

My son is "legally" on pain meds, herniated disk, bulging disks, thecal displacement, and a slew of other items came up on an MRI.

Just what an addict needed, now he has a never ending supply of pain patches (literally pain patches, not lidocain but some sort of morphine crap) and pain medication in bottles, who knows how many of his doctors are unwittingly prescribing to him.

Two questions: Can I call his doctor and give them a heads up that he is an addict? He is 22 and when you are high on pain meds are your eyes pinpoints? I think he is over mixing plus he takes allergy meds on top of it all.

Rrector
04-25-2007, 02:38 PM
Hi Cram...The answer is no. You cannot call and tell his doctors that he is an addict. His doctor is prohibited from discussing anything about his case with you or anyone else, unless he gives specific permission. Besides, your son is an adult, if he were a minor, it would be a different story.

Case in point, I am retired (on SSD), but my wife still works. Since I am home each day while she's working, I tend to take care of most of our family business. I don't remember what it was about, but a few weeks ago, I had to call my wife's doctor about something and find out if it was ok with her doc. Because she had not signed permission for them to discuss her medical things with me, they couldn't tell me what she needed to know. The next time she was in to see her PCP, she made sure to sign the permission form.

The pain patches he is on, are Duragesic Patches. It is Fentanyl, the strongest of all pain meds. They are so strong, they come in doses of micrograms, not milligrams, like other drugs. Doses are 12.5, 25, 50, 75, and 100 mcg. They do have generics now, so some of their doses may be a little different.

The pills in bottles, are probably for break through pain. There are many different drugs used for BT pain. Usually doctors allow you to take a limited number of them each day. It depends on the doctor and your pain, but most chronic pain patients get two to four BT pills a day.

Pinpoint eyes can definitely be related to the ingestion of narcotic medication. That is why the police will shine a flashlight in people's eyes when they have stopped them for something. That raises another point, that a lot of people face. Driving under the influence of narcotic pain meds is no different than driving under the influence of alcohol. Most states have renamed DWI to DUI (or something else), to incluude drugs.

I'm sorry to be the bearer of not so good news, but I hope I have answered some of your questions.

jules3
04-25-2007, 04:48 PM
Cram i totally disagree. my son is 21 and was abusing fentanyl patches ..its just a very very strong opiate that can kill you. my son is an addict, clean for 56 days now..was in a 28 day re-hab and he is doing well. your story is my worst nightmare..that some dumb doctor would prescribe opiates. it is your sons responsibity as an addict to tell the doctor that. if not, than me as his mom would get on that phone and tell him..who gives a crap about the hipa act..i certainly dont. if the doc wont talk to you leave a message with his nurse or on his answering machine..write him a letter anything to make him aware of his past drug use. of his addiction...i have worked for doctors for the past 20 yrs and believe me most of them do not care if they get you addicted to drugs.. they are clueless when it come sto addictive personalities. they get out their pens and write.. Call for your son...i would in a second!

jules3
04-25-2007, 04:51 PM
Cram, his eyes are a big tell all. they will be pinned.

slipperyslope
04-26-2007, 04:14 AM
Being a chornic pain sufferer myself its not fair for you to take away his pain medication, do you want your son to suffer in pain and agony? I understand he is an addict what was his drug of choice was it opiates or heroin? And he is an adult now so there isn't very much you can do about it as he is of legal age so you can't baby him and call his Dr on him..

One thing you can do, if he lives at home with you, I am not sure if he does, but you can ask him to have YOU dispense his medication SO that you can make sure he is using it properly go about this in a nice way don't accuse him of anything and say you just want to help as you no his past histroy is not great, because if he starts to run out before his apt he will be VERY sick. and he will learn the hard way. the Dr should be pill counting for him and checking his blood to make sure he is using the meds correctly... I do see your concern but you can't control him like this as he has to do this on his own and learn on his own... if you call his Dr and tell him he is an addict he will just find another Dr or buy them off the streets, which could be worse, so please Don't do that if you can ,bujt it sounds like your going to call his Dr anyhow. see if you can work with him instead of getting his Dr involved and forcing him to give the pain meds up. He will just find a way to get them... I like the idea of having you give him his doses each day and you will have to keep them in a safe with a combination lock... good luck.
I don't beleive morphine comes in a patch its probaby fentantyl, why don't you look at the bottles and see what he is on so YOU know, it could be something else and your assuming he is no heavy narcotics.. count the pills to and see if he is taking more than he is supposed to be, than you can address it with him when you no for sure what he is taking.

zeroman
04-26-2007, 04:53 AM
I agree with slipperyslope, just because someone is an addict doesnt mean they have to suffer through pain.

I am an addict and my drug of choice is narcotics. and when I blew my back out and had surgery I cant imagine how painful it would of been without them. I had to constantly be on guard not to abuse them. I used them as needed and tapered off under my docs care when I no longer needed them. not all addicts may be able to do this, and Ill be the 1st to admit that, but some can use them for their intended use and stop when needed. others may lie and seek increased dosages and use them longer than needed. we have no idea what type your son is.

he is on some powerful stuff as its been mentioned. how does he act? nodding and sleeping all the time? normal? he may be on too much but thats up to his doc and him. unfortunately some docs have no clue what narcotics do to people. others do.

you need to monitor his consumption of the meds. check the labels for doses and times and make sure he sticks to it. if you can hold on to them so much the better.

cram315
04-26-2007, 02:09 PM
It was heroin. It was crack and coke. It was pain pills. When it graduated to pain medication things got better believe it or not. He went from an unfunctioning addict on pain pills to moving him out of state. Now he is a functioning addict but for how long, the meds our again out of control.

I told him he is abusing these pain meds and he said the doctor is going to ween him off eventually by giving him suboxone. He just got his first shot for pain in his back..but he is an addict....if the shots worked why would he say they are working? Think about it, he can get his drugs and patches as long as he is in pain.

I hate the addict. Hate, hate, hate. What he has put me through. He is going to end up killing himself. I know the doctor does not have to give me information but I can (freedom of speech) give the doctor information.

I will be in his neck of the woods all weekend. He expects me to see me and his dad for dinner tomorrow night. I could refuse and tell him I don't want to watch him kill himself. My husband and I could refuse to take his calls too, that would kill him because he calls one of us daily, sometimes twice a day.

See, I am getting desperate again. I hate being desperate!

Jules - heres keeping my fingers crossed that your sons addiction becomes a faint memory. yes, I know first hand doctors just write. I heard that they cannot turn you down for pain medication if your say you are in pain. This doctor however did tell my son that he tells all his patience if they lose their medication do not call him, if you use them up earlier, do not call him. A doctor with a brain?

jules3
04-26-2007, 03:00 PM
Cram, you guys have been hell and back. i have been there too. i know he is 22 but im betting hes not a very mature 22 yr old is he? if he were my son i would call that doctor. im not sure if im a believer in tough love, i never got to that point with my son..2 different schools of thought i feel that i would be feeding my son to the wolves if i threw him out while he was abusing..he might have died, he has had seizures. but than again i will not enable it to go on in my home..i just hope im not forced to make that decision..

kadee
04-26-2007, 04:34 PM
I ditto Jules. Cram if you think he doctor dodging, it is in both of your best interests to ensure he only has one doctor expecially so, if you know he is mixing,and likes to take more and more, I can hear sirens, overdose is a reality. Talk to your son.

jules3
04-26-2007, 07:46 PM
Cram please let us know how he is when you see him!

madhatter
04-29-2007, 04:39 AM
I'm a chronic pain patient as well,and I have to strongly disagree when you said doctors don't care,they just get out there pen.Do you realize how many chronic pain sufferers commit suicide each year because doctors either won't perscribe to lagit people,or just simply underperscribe? Doc. are watched very closely,when I first started on med.,I had to sign a opiate contract,stating that I couldn't accept medication from no other doctor,I had to pick one pharmacy to use,and that I would be drug tested to make sure that I'm taking what is perscribed,the right amount,and that I'm not taking illegal drugs.I wouldn't wish chronic pain on my worse enemy! Theres lagit patients out there who have to travel up to 12 hrs away to find a doc. who will treat there pain! Many doc. are scared to death to write perscriptions for pain med. even though the patient is lagit and suffering,Its acusations like the person above that make life a living hell for chronic pain patients! Walk a mile in our shoes.Yes,there are 100,000 people who abuse medications,but don't forget about the millions that depend on med. on a daily basis just to lead a somewhat normal life,and don't abuse!

Podee
04-29-2007, 09:58 AM
I observe that the ones who end up addicted or abusing the pain meds or benzos have had issues with substances including alcohol in the past.

Therefore, the solution lies in addressing addiction. Not just in withdrawing from the meds.

cram315
04-29-2007, 01:51 PM
As with anything it is the abusers of a system who make it difficult on the legit people who need that particular system, pain management is no different.

I saw my son three days in a row. Before I came down I told him if he was high I would leave and he wouldn't see me at all. He was normal :)

He is going to a pain managment doctor. He is on Cobra and needs authorization every time he sees a doctor, which is making me hope that he can't see any doctor at will for scripts and it is more controlled.

He said they switched his pain patch and hasn't needed any pills with this new one. He said he is going for another shot Tuesday and he said he feels good for the first time in a long time. He is looking forward to going on suboxone when he is done with the back problem.

There is constantly glimmers of hope with him. So I had a good weekend with him and I think, hope, he is winning his battle.

jules3
04-29-2007, 02:17 PM
Cram all sounds good:)

cram315
04-30-2007, 02:37 PM
Jules, it sounds good....been here so many times, I lost count. Things do look up though more often than not, I should thank my lucky stars that he is where he is right now and not where we were.

jaxobean
04-30-2007, 03:19 PM
Madhatter,
I agree with you. I sympathize with these people that are dealing with their loved ones but to say a dr. just hands out pain meds is an ignorant statement. I am a chronic pain sufferer as well and I cannot even find a primary care physician due to my medical needs. I have been on and off of pain medication for about 10 years and when the pain stops. I stop. It was not easy to do to say the least. It is a horrible feeling to have legitimate pain and to be treated like a junkie. I know that sounds harsh but we are paying the price. Chronic Pain is horrific and just trying to control it enough to maintain a bit of normalcy is hard. People like this are making it impossible for people like us to receive proper medical treatment. Maybe we should be allowed to posts these docs. names that keep handing out the meds so that legit people aren't going through hell...

jules3
04-30-2007, 05:08 PM
Maybe primary care docs shoudnt be giving out pain meds on a monthly basis...maybe thats a pain management doctors job.

jaxobean
05-01-2007, 06:16 AM
Actually Pain Management docs do not give out pain meds. They go through the Primary Care Doc. who is in charge of writing them. So thanks for the opinion but that is not how it works...
Also drugs are everywhere- legal or illegal- you cannot blame everything on the availability of it.

jaxobean
05-01-2007, 06:55 AM
Maybe primary care docs shoudnt be giving out pain meds on a monthly basis...maybe thats a pain management doctors job.

This is the point as well. Legit pain sufferers are getting lumped into the wrong catagory and are paying the price for people who are faking it. If you stop taking the pills when the pain stops then your brain tells you that you need the meds. for pain only and not pleasure. I do not know where the bitterness comes from on your end re: legit pain patients. I have family and friends who abuse as well so I know where your coming from but unfortuatly there is little understanding for the people who actually need this medicine and yes there are people that are taking it responsibly and for the right reasons...

jules3
05-01-2007, 08:38 AM
Let me get something straight.. i have no bitterness for doctors that give out pain meds for legit. reasons. That is not my issue and not what i meant. BUT, plenty of docs give out pain meds to addicts and they know it.. and i know this first hand, i have been in the medical field for years and have seen addicts come and go with new scripts. faking anything they can for pain pills...i have nothing against legit pain victims. A good doc will send his pt. for every test under the sun to see what is causing his/her pain and try to solve it either by surgery, shots p.t anything other than the start of pain meds. If youa re in legit pain than i feel for you because nobody has to live in pain...But you need to know that their are addicts out there and know which docs give out pain pills for not legit reasons...it takes a smart doc to see the difference...thats all i meant.

jaxobean
05-01-2007, 08:50 AM
I understand that and a few in our town were shut down because the addicts would go there and get their meds. Those are currupt docs. and people and I understand that. I worked in a jail filled with addicts and have a sis and brother in law not to mention a few cousins that are addicts. But I have also seen people in the medical field call legitimate people addicts and junkies as well. I was called a junkie on more than 5 occasions and I am very resentful ( not with you everyone has an opinion ) but what I am saying you may think someone is a junkie and is in severe pain and vice versa is my point. It is hard to say. Another one of my sisters did the same thing she faked and faked to get drugs until finally they caught on. My point is I hate that we are paying the price. Not everything is black and white. Noone thinks I am a faker now but I was put through 10 years of hell to prove it and for what? The last thing I need to worry about is not having enough medicine to control my pain...Nikki
Also the hard part is there are no tests for Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy- so just because a doc. cannot prove it does not mean it is not there. If I sound rude that is certainly not my intention I am just pointing out another side as you are as well...

jules3
05-01-2007, 09:42 AM
Well im sorry that you are in pain..i feel for you! I hope you stay well. have a great day :)

cape1963
05-01-2007, 04:34 PM
oh boy, this is a tough one...he deserves to be treated for his pain. No one can make an addict stop using. Only the addict himself/herself can stop it. You need to distance yourself from the situation. I would not, at any time, any day, call his doctor. This is an absolute no-no. Once that stigma is on a person, it sticks with them for the rest of their life, or so I've been told. Let's say your son overcomes his addiction and is clean for years. And let's say he suffers from pain again, and this time it is chronic. Because that one time you decided to call his doctor and report him an addict, now your son cannot get any type of pain medication...and he suffers forever in severe pain. He will hate you for this. Besides, I don't think the doctor will talk to you anyway. It's hard enough for a patient to be able to talk to their doctor over the phone or in writing. let alone that patients relative. I'm sure it's hard on you, but you need to stay out of it. This is your sons life now. You have raised him, you are done with your part. If he decides to use drugs the rest of this life, then so be it. It's not your fault. You need to stay in contact with him. If he is calling once/twice a day, that is very good. Keep the communication open. Accept him for what he is. Love him, pray for him. Tell him you are there if he ever needs to talk....but please never try to control his medication. He is a big boy now....he knows how much he is allowed to take....he knows if he takes too much he will run out early....I've been on the patches and they were a Godsend. The patches are controlled medication. You cannot take too much/too little medication. The patch controls the medication. Usually, addicts are given the patch for pain relief...that way they cannot abuse pills. Give him lots of love and be on his side. And stay away from his doctor. You need to be telling him about these concerns you have. Hopefully he never reads this board. He might get really upset that you have told the internet world that your son is a drug addict. I would be upset if I were him. I'm not saying this to be mean either. I'm just being real.

jules3
05-01-2007, 05:13 PM
I know that no one can change an addict . they have to do it themselves..i believe that with all my heart and soul. But i have read crams post for months and shes been thru alot with her son. My son is 21 and has abused those patches in the past..I know that she cannot control his actions. im talking to her as 1 mom to another. our sons are addicts. addiction is a disease .yes they need to help themselves but that doesnt mean that she cant help him along. addicts get addicted..bottom line. and chances are he will have a problem with addiction all his life, even if he is clean. addicts need to tell their doctors about their addictions all the time. Forever!! im sure peopLE are goin to disagree with me and thats ok. All i want is crams son to be ok.

jules3
05-01-2007, 05:15 PM
Also those patches are controlled but addicts have a way of getting around that..such as eating the gel. Sad isnt it?

madhatter
05-01-2007, 06:29 PM
Doctors are getting more affraid to write prescriptions for pain by the minute.And I try to put myself in there shoes[doc] they go to school for years during the prime of there life,next thing you know,the D.E.A is knocking on there door,not only to take there license away,but too put them in jail as well.Yes,there are crooked doctors out there,but by far,there are lagit,and honest doc. out there,far more than the crooks.One doctor,was stated as saying-I might as well rip my state prescription pad up,because its just to big of a hassle.
Prescription narcotic pain med, are always in the press when someone over-doses,gets arrested,etc. but do you ever read,or hear on the news about how many people it helps?
100,000 people died last year from over dosing on prescription drugs.
10,000,000 people lives were changed last year,FOR THE BETTER,to have a better quality of life on a daily basis.To be able to maybe push there kid on a swing,,to go see there daughter at her first dance recidal,there sons first little league baseball game,just to get up in the morning,and not wish they were dead! Thanks for reading. Mad.

tonic33
05-03-2007, 10:37 PM
You are correct your pupils become like pinpoints. I'm a former opiate addict of many years, so I know all the signs.

If your son has serious legitimate pain he will probably need the narcotics. Let me tell you something though that i had to experience myself. No addict can quit unless they themselves admit they are addicted and truly in their heart want to quit opiates. I tried many times but it was never in my heart to really quit and stay clean. This only occured to me when I reached a point were I was taking massive massive amounts of top tier opiates daily and that was just to feel normal. When I reached that point, thats when I said its not worth the money or the lifestyle anymore, and I detoxed with subutex.
Those patches of fently, I used to cut open, take out the gel, and chew on them. Where I live its sold on the street with herion mixed together and you wither blow it or bang it. I think like over 20 people died from banging it. I used to blow the stuff. I dont think there is anything stronger. Dilaudid nor oxy compare to this "magic"

jules3
05-04-2007, 04:23 AM
Tonic, those patches are so deadly. if one takes too much it can basically just stop your heart from beating.

jkm1201
05-04-2007, 01:16 PM
wow, this is scary stuff... I have a 13 year old daughter and I'm afraid for her. Reading posts like this feed me the necessary info. to help keep her safe. or try to... anyway. Thanks:) jkm

jules3
05-04-2007, 02:31 PM
jkm, just to make you feel a lil better..those patches are extremely hard to buy on the street..not like pot, pills,coke and all that other stuff. most of the time someone is stealing them from a hospital or med.facility and selling them..scary...huh?

BrittleBones
05-04-2007, 08:00 PM
Actually Pain Management docs do not give out pain meds. They go through the Primary Care Doc. who is in charge of writing them. So thanks for the opinion but that is not how it works...
Also drugs are everywhere- legal or illegal- you cannot blame everything on the availability of it.

I just had to jump in here and contradict you! Pain Management doctors absolutely DO write prescriptions for pain medications. That is the normal practice....you can find primary care docs that write the prescriptions as directed by the pain management doc as well. But I, for one, get my prescriptions for pain medication from my pain management doctor. Just wanted to clear that up. KathyMac

jules3
05-04-2007, 08:08 PM
Yes kathymac, she was directing that to me,,but i am in the medical field and am well aware that pain mgmt. docs write scripts for pain meds..