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NickH
07-06-2009, 10:04 AM
Hi, I've been having waxing for 8+ years and am thinking about something more permanent.

I've read a bit about ipl but wondered what should I be looking out for and whether it lives up to the hype

thanks,

Nick

Choice
07-06-2009, 10:21 PM
IPL (intense pulse light) is not your best option. Using a true laser will give better results. Lasers are most effective on dark, coarse hair, on light skin. There are 3 wavelengths of lasers that are FDA cleared for "permanent reduction." (Only electrolysis can claim "permanent removal.") Waxing is not at all permanent. The 3 lasers are alexandrite (755nm), diode (810nm), and Nd:YAG (1064nm). The lighter the skin, the shorter the wavelength should be. Alexandrite lasers such as Candela's GentleLASE is great for skin types I-III. Nd:YAG lasers, such as Candela's GentleYAG work best on types IV-VI. Diode lasers, are in the middle.

There are many variables involved with laser hair removal. Choosing someone well trained and experienced is essential. Keep in mind that physicians have very little to zero training in laser hair removal. Having someone skilled and trained in both laser and electrolysis is your best option.

NickH
07-07-2009, 01:27 PM
Thanks Choice - appreciate your help. IPL seems to be the technology of the moment and so is getting promoted in the salons - is true laser newer or just more tricky to learn how to use?

Choice
07-08-2009, 11:12 AM
IPL's are cheaper devices and heavily marketed by the manufacturers to spas and salons. Most salons can not afford a good new laser, $100,000+. A salon can get a new IPL for under $25,000. Because of the different wavelengths, they are actually more likely to be misused. Many times I have seen reports of people being burned by lasers, only to find out the device used was an IPL.

Lasers and IPLs for hair removal have both been around since the mid-90's. The only thing that really changes is the aesthetics of the devices. The older ones were more bulky and masculine looking...men (mostly) designed them after all. As more and more were being sold to women, the appearance of the devices changed...smaller, sleeker design, in colors to match an office's decor.

EllieFrog
07-09-2009, 12:52 PM
I think that if you are going to get laser hair removal you need to do a lot of research on your own... You will get a lot of opinions from all kinds of people but you have to pick and choose which ones to take into serious consideration. I have heard from many people who knows a lot about LHR that IPLs are not good since it's not a "true laser" so I would stay away from those... And like you said, they are typically used at hair removal salons and spas, and many people who go to such places complain that they didn't get the desired results.

If I were you I would look for hair removal places in your area that are not associated with spas and salons. I found one in my area and had my underarms lasered. The woman who performed the procedure has been doing laser for 10 years AND electrolysis for about 25 years, so she is very knowledgeable when it comes to such things. You want to look for private places like that, and ask about the type of laser that they are using as well as their prices.

Also, a lot of those spas and salons tend to have "specials" and "deals" as they will try to sell you a package and supposedly get you a certain percetage off your treatments. Those are not very good deals. Stay away from places that are trying to sell you packages or try to get you to pay upfront. Look for a place where you can pay per treatment and choose how many treatments you wish until the results are to your satisfaction.

I hope this helps a little bit. Laser and electrolysis are complicated procedures (though not as complicated as some "experts" make it sound). So shop around and find a good place in your area... don't settle for a salon or spa.

NickH
07-11-2009, 03:01 AM
...If I were you I would look for hair removal places in your area that are not associated with spas and salons. I found one in my area and had my underarms lasered. The woman who performed the procedure has been doing laser for 10 years AND electrolysis for about 25 years, so she is very knowledgeable when it comes to such things...


Hi Ellie, completely agree with your thinking, it mirrors my experience so far. I've been spoiled going to the same one woman, home working waxing aesthetician all this time and I think experience is everything. (She's moving away from my area soon so it's time to find a replacement or a new approach).

I've called some practitioners and am starting to get a better idea. Its clear that it'll take a number of treatments, everyone is different, the price varies <hugely>, and whilst many have done backs and chests, fewer are experienced in male brazilians. I'm hair free on my back and v.light on my front so some of their pricing is just daft for me.

So my next steps are to get a patch test and see what its like, from what they are saying its less painful than waxing and I'm fine with that. I'm hoping that it's straightforward.

thanks, nick

EllieFrog
07-12-2009, 12:33 PM
I imagine that laser is less painful than waxing. I've waxed my underarms before and I have to say that laser is less painful. Yes, it does sting and feels uncomfortable but it is much better than getting the hair ripped out of the root... and I can just imagine how bad that hurts on such sensitive areas.

Good luck on finding a replacement. That must be a pain. I have only gone to this one woman and wouldn't want to go anywhere else because she does a good job and the prices are very reasonable.

NickH
07-15-2009, 03:02 PM
thanks - I took the plunge and went for the patch test. Very helpful, experienced practitioner, who once she'd seen the areas was able to come up with a good approach.

With the summer holiday coming, she's advised against doing my shoulders right now so I'll leave those until later in the year.

We did the patch test - WAY better than waxing (just like you said!) and though some areas were more sensitive (perineum, shaft) the only sharp intake of breath was just the 'bikini' area as she was adjusting the power level to get the best result.

I think having been waxed a few weeks ago helped as the hair was short and heat build up seems to be the main issue.

Anyhow, I'm hoping for no bad reaction, only have a little redness and so far v.comfy.

I guess the actual treatments will be more intense, but today was great,

thanks for your advice, much appreciated,

nick

jackie0411
07-18-2009, 10:16 AM
I had Laser Hair Removal about 6 months ago, on dark coarse hair on very pale skin, and i got no results. The hair still comes back even to this day, and i have gone to at least 14 appointments to target the same place. I did not use a salon, i used a very well trained electrolysis specialist and there were still no results.

Choice
07-18-2009, 09:39 PM
14 laser appointments in 6 months? On the same area? The only way that would be possible is if the laser wasn't turned on.

Something is really off. Laser appointments are scheduled 6-8 weeks apart in the beginning, and then less frequent in between future appointments.

What type of laser was used? What area are you treating?

Hair grows in cycles. It can take up to a year to treat every hair, just once.

It would however, be very possible to have 14 electrolysis appointments in 6 months. However, you still would not be finished because every hair has not yet presented itself, due to the different cycles.

EllieFrog
07-19-2009, 10:04 AM
6 months and 14 treatments for laser? So you went twice a month? Um... that is simply not possible. You cannot and do not need to treat the same area 14 times... that would burn your skin terribly. Plus, hair grows in cycles so you usually can't fully clear an area within such a short period of time.