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kingsticks
08-11-2009, 01:44 AM
My girlfriend is addicted to vicoprofen.i dont know what to do.She wants to stop.but the way she work at her job,she will never have Time for rehab.She was taking about 8 or 9 pills a day.I started her taking half of pills instead of whole pills.She was down to about 5.but shestarted taking more.what can i do to help her get off these pills.I think these pills is the reason why she dont have children.she really wants to have kids.but keep saying something about her eggs die.Can somone help me get her off thes pills.I need to know some things i can do to help her

readerroz
08-11-2009, 08:40 AM
I feel for you, but I'm afraid the first step in her recovery is going to have to come from within her own heart. It is wonderful that you are there for her. There's not much better during the journey to recovery than a helpful partner.

Read my really long thread, "Scared--Almost Ready." It will give you an idea of just how long and tortured a process it can be before making the final decision to seek help.

I couldn't take time to go into a rehab center for a number of reasons, but today I'm starting a physician monitored treatment plan that will allow me to continue to work and care for my family.

Help is available via an addiction specialist who will have advice on how best to manage her addiction.

Hang in there.

kingsticks
08-11-2009, 11:30 AM
thanks 4 replying,how can we get a addiction specialist

Wild Irish Rose
08-11-2009, 03:05 PM
Does your girlfriend have a regular doctor? If so, that might be one place to start, by asking the doctor for a referral. If you have health insurance, sometimes they have lists of specialists, also.

Sometimes hospitals have referral services - my hospital has a phone # (which you can get by calling the main hospital # and asking them for the "physician referral service") and they have lists of specialists that may be in your location.

Someone else will probably come by with some more suggestions; those are the two that come to my mind.

Your girlfriend is lucky to have you to help her, but she really does need to make this decision on her own; you can't make her quit. Can you get her to go to an NA meeting? Does she know you've posted here, and would she try posting here herself?

This board is all about support, and if you could get her to stop in here, we'd all try our best to help. The most wonderful people hang out here; they've really given me strong shoulders to lean on, and we all have pretty much been in the same places.

I may be out of line here, and my intent is not to offend you, but for whatever reason your girlfriend doesn't want a baby right now, I think that's a good decision. As long as she's using the vicoprofen, a pregnancy could be very dangerous, both to her and the baby, and taking care of a baby while using the drug could be disastrous. I would think the best thing would be to handle the addiction first, get very stable in recovery, and then start to think about having a family. I apologize if I offended you.

rose

kingsticks
08-11-2009, 04:26 PM
thank u for your advise.my girlfriend does not have insurance at the moment.shes trying hard 2 get off d pills.but its hard trying to shake them when u been using them about 4 yrs.is it soomething i can have her do to gradually ease her off.I see right now its not going 2 be over nighthing.She dont think she can have kids.she gets depressed because she is 31 and dont have any.when she misses periods she getts kind oof excited.When she takes tests its allways negative.do u thiink iits d pills kills her eggs

brianpain33
08-11-2009, 04:44 PM
Your gf needs to get off the pills first before attempting to get pregnant. You don't want to possibly see your child born being addicted to opiates. They have special areas of the hospital where they have to detox the babies and it's not good for them. It would be SO MUCH BETTER for your gf to get off the pills first. Does she take them for the "high" or does she take them for legitimate pain? If she takes them for legitimate pain then there are many non-narcotic medications to treat pain. She has to really make up her mind as to what she wants to do. Try doing a search for NA meetings in your area and go to one with her. She will feel alot better and not so alone with the addiction. Plus she can have many other women to call for support.

brian

Wild Irish Rose
08-11-2009, 05:00 PM
Kingsticks, if she's been using for 4 years, you're right, it's not going to be an overnight thing. Can you hold her vic for her, and just give her the amount she's supposed to take? And then taper down to get her completely off them?

I know there have been tapering schedules written in some of the threads on this board, I just can't remember which board, so you may want to search for them. From what I remember, most of them suggest cutting 10% off the dose on a weekly basis, but in order for it to work, if she can't do that herself, you may have to keep them for her and not let her have access to them.

As far as how the drug affects a woman's eggs, I really don't know anything about that, and I'd hate to give you incorrect information. The 30's aren't all that old to be having children, tho; I had my 2nd and 3rd babies when I was 32 and 34.

I know, however, that if a baby is born addicted to opiates (vicoprofen and others), they must go thru withdrawals after they're born, and the WDs can be extremely dangerous for a baby. Would she (or you) like to go thru a high-risk pregnancy while she's using and have to watch your newborn go thru painful withdrawals because your girlfriend is not only medicating yourself, she'd be medicating her fetus, too? Most anything your girlfriend puts in her body will cross the placental barrier and the baby will become addicted also. That I know for sure, because my first child was born prematurely and I saw many addicted babies in the neonatal intensive care unit who were going thru withdrawals. It's not a pretty sight. Sorry, but I get a bit preachy on this subject, because it's horrible to watch a newborn go thru WDs, and then wonder if there will be any effects from the drug for the rest of their lives. I'm sure neither you nor your girlfriend would want to have a child who has to go thru that. Again, I apologize if I offended you, but I have strong feelings about this subject.

rose

ReD4Life
08-11-2009, 06:09 PM
Hello Kingsticks,
I don't know about the effect of opiates on fertility, but I do know that if she gets pregnant, it won't be enough incentive to stop her from using. If anything, she'll be even more physically exhausted and possibly sick and won't find it easy to quit. Most smokers and drug users continue to use during pregnancy. What everyone said about the detox of a newborn is correct. What I didn't see mentioned in the department of family and children's services being called and your baby winding up in foster care due to being born addicted. That is highly likely.
She isn't going to be able to quit unless she's 100% made up her mind. The fact that she wishes she were off the drugs is a good sign, but not enough by itself.
I did a taper recently, and it is somewhere in these threads. I have been clean since August 1st. It was a fairly painless taper with very little withdrawal. If she wants to do that, it can be done, but requires incredible willpower or someone who can hold the drugs for the user.
Realize that beyond supporting her, you cannot move her in the direction of quitting. Users will lie, sneak, deceive, blame and all manner of things to do what they want and convince you that she is doing what you want her to do.
I am not insinuating that there is something wrong with your girlfriend's character, I just know that my ex husband had no idea I was even on the Lortab, much less using it for years and years. She will quit when she makes up her mind to. Until then, all you can do is let her know you are there for her when she does.

kingsticks
08-11-2009, 11:43 PM
thanks again,my girl really wants to quit.What i need her to do is commit.i keep her pills.i cut them all in half.I give her so many 2 take to work..My girl is very emotional.Whenever something happens,she turns to the pills.At times i think shes doing better,then at times i think she is never going 2 get off.This is new 2 me,i never been thru anything like this.She is a real project.She may be pregnant now.she has all the symptoms.Maybe if she is it will give her a inspiration to quit taking pills.But like u said she dont need be taking a baby thru this

AnnD
08-12-2009, 01:05 AM
It all depends on why she is taking the pain pills...is it for a painful condition? How many milligrams is each pill ? some are very low dose. She isn't really on that many pills a day but you can't help her ...only she can help her. If they are for a painful condition she might have to take them and if they are for pain it is not considered an addiction. Does she go to a doctor for them or is she getting them on the street?

kingsticks
08-12-2009, 06:55 AM
they are suppose to be for pain,but its beyond pain.she cant function without them.everyday she wakes up about 3 or4am sweating and has to take a pill.she takes 7.5-200tab hydrocod/ibu.substituted for vicoprofen.how is yhat not taking alot of pills.but i admit it was worster than that.Shes so emotional anything can trigger her

kingsticks
08-13-2009, 01:00 AM
she is addicted no doubt.she cant function without them.she really takes about 7 or 8 a day

kewood
08-13-2009, 10:40 PM
Hi KS,
I am sorry you and your GF are going through this rough time. I actually do hope she isn't pregnant right now while using. It will be very, very hard for her to get off. When I was in in-patient rehab 4 years ago, there was a woman,a nurse, who had been using Dilaudid, a strong pain killer, for her kidney stones throughout her whole pregnancy. She told us about watching that baby go through horribly painful withdrawls and knowing she did that to the baby. It made her suicidal with the guilt of the whole situation.
Also, it's been mentioned that Child Protective Services could get involved and they definitely could. <removed> in many hospitals they test mother and baby for any substances upon birth, especially if it's a high risk pregancy or if CPS has been involved or anybody else calls to give them a heads up.
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I wish you and her the best. Maybe if she won't go to NA or another recovery meeting, you could go to Narcanon or Alanaon for yourself....? Best wishes to you and to her.

KEW

kingsticks
08-14-2009, 12:40 AM
thats scarry,because i would hate for them to take the baby.She needs 2 get her mind right

Wild Irish Rose
08-14-2009, 12:54 PM
Kingsticks, please forgive my intrusion again, but it's possible that some of the "signs of pregnancy" may not actually be pregnancy, but side effects of the drug use; she might not be pregnant at this time, but it would be a good idea to find out as soon as possible, both for her AND the potential baby.

If she is, tho, I'd recommend that she get prenatal care ASAP, as she would be in the high-risk category because of the drug she's using.

Btw, you sound incredibly supportive, and my suggestion would be that if she turns out not to be pregnant, you might have to take that decision out of her hands, and not agree to a pregnancy until you both know she's healthier. This must be terribly frustrating for you, because it sounds like you love your gf a lot.

rose

Redneon82
08-14-2009, 02:03 PM
My ex boyfriend's niece, whom I'm extremely close to, was born addicted to cocaine. She had to go through withdrawals as a newborn. Now, she is a teenager and has all kinds of problems. Can't concentrate in school, has extreme mood swings and anger issues, is drinking a lot, her eyes are not quite right (born severely cross-eyed)...and her siblings are the same way. None of them is able to hold down a job or focus on anything, some of them have now become drug users and they all drink to excess. I feel so sad for these innocent kids whose life was ruined for them before they were even born, and through no fault of their own, because their mother wouldn't stop using drugs while she was pregnant with them.

I'm sure you and your girlfriend don't want to put your child through this. Unfortunately, until she realizes she has a problem AND sincerely wants help, this will not change and will never end. It's good of you to be supportive, and hopefully you can help her realize that she can save her own life by getting help. But she has to want it.

Secrets1983
08-14-2009, 10:19 PM
Hey King,

Well, with this new turn of events in regards to her possible pregnancy... The time to take action is now my friend. First and foremost she needs to take a TEST ASAP. Being pregnant may be what she needs to quit but that is not always the case so you need to be prepared for that too. I am so glad you found our site!

You sound so wonderful and supportive and she is blessed to have you. However, addicts can be real good at minipulation so watch out for those signs. Some of us in our day were masters at it... Makes me feel shame to this day!

Get that Test done and PLEASE let us know what you find out. We are here for you friend.

Don't forget to take care of yourself too :round:

kingsticks
08-18-2009, 07:02 PM
She ant pregnant.Her period came.thank god.She need a rehab.All she is doing is stressing me out.She going to do what she want to do anyway.

reachout
08-18-2009, 07:39 PM
Hello Kingsticks

She going to do what she want to do anyway.

My friend, those words are an absolute truth. Addiction is the life of a loner because the drug will always come before anything or anyone else. There are never two way streets in addiction... it is always taking and not giving. If it progresses, it can easily take down all those around the addicted person.

I am going to offer some simple advice.... walk. It is time to cut the losses and walk. She is addicted to a drug and unless you walk soon, you will find yourself totally addicted to her. She needs time and space to sink or swim. You need time and space to figure out why you are clinging to such an unhealthy relationship.

If you were married, then I perhaps wouldn't take such a harsh stand. However, you are not married. Is this what you want for your future? Do you want to worry every time you make love that a child will be produced that is going to be born suffering? Why are you sacrificing your life when girlfriend is showing no signs of changing? Words don't count, only actions. Is she attending NA or AA meetings? Is she willing to go through the pain of detox to straighten out her life? Is she seeking counseling through county services or a church?

I think it would help you a lot if you found an Alan-non or Nar-anon meeting. It would help you to get your thinking more solid concerning this. I know that you may love this girl, but I also know that love alone is not going to help. Concrete steps need to be taken.... a line in the sand must be drawn firmly that indictaes that the drugs stop or there is no relationship. She needs to get motivated and take some concrete steps or it really is time to put the walking shoes on. Please do not let yourself get pulled down in life because of another.

I wish you well.
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