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    Old 03-10-2009, 08:08 PM   #1
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    wondering if someone could give me support for arthritis.

    Hi there: i am 54 year old woman, that drives a school bus part time. in January i fell outside my bus and the next day could not move my arms. i spent a number of weeks in physio and they could not get my arm to respond to what they were doing. finally i was sent for an MRI and it was discoverd i had torn some major tendons and muscles. in the time this was going on i began to have excruitiating pain in every joint in my body. they did do the MRI on right shoulder and right knee, this is how i fell. they discovered i have osteo arthritis in my knee as well as an injury due to the fall. the part i am so afraid about is the swelling and pain in every other joint in my body. will this settle down? i am tired of taking pain meds and Naproxin(spelling). i don't sleep and have never been sick in my life. this is a horrible nightmare and it does not seem to be responding to any traditional medical treatment of pain pills and anti-inflamitory. does anyone know if this will settle down?

     
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    Old 03-10-2009, 09:41 PM   #2
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    Re: wondering if someone could give me support for arthritis.

    Hi,
    Have you seen a Rhuematologist yet to get evaluated for Rheumatoid Arthritis? Have you been evaluated for Lymme Disease? Autoimmune disease is often a combination of Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue and any of the other Autoimmune illnesses. Lymme disease effects the joints just like arthritis. Read a book called the Autoimmune epidemic. Now having said that the first thing to do is relax.
    Get checked for Lyme disease first because it can cause damage if not caught in time. If it is Lyme disease and it is caught in time you will be given antibiotics.
    If it is Autoimmune, and RA is one of them, you may want to get onto drugs that suppress the immune system and lessen the symptoms as a result. I did not go that route and initially did lots and lots of supplements and researched the internet for ways to control my symptoms.
    My friend has Lyme disease and it was too late to control with antibiotics. She ate raw foods for a year and regained her health. When she has joint pains she does a fast. But she regained health and repaired her body.
    I chose to take a dietary approach also and used super foods and eliminated food which caused flares. A flare occurs from stress or foods or even chemicals that you to have a flare-up of symptoms. I chose to strengthen my body and eliminate foods that cause flares. I occasionally take Aleve.


    Begin to take notice of reactions to food. If you LOVE a particular food and eat it every day, it is a good chance that you are sensitive to it. You cannot eat a little, just eliminate it for a while and then try again. LOok for all foods that cause reactions.

    I have loads of info to tell you but first let me know which direction you are taking.

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    Old 03-11-2009, 12:36 PM   #3
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    Re: wondering if someone could give me support for arthritis.

    thank you so much for your time. i have not investigated much yet because in the beginning it was just a work injury. this has been turning into something else and no one yet has looked at what else. i have not asked for anything else from the doctors. i prefer to stay with alternative healing if at all possible i believe that both western medicine and alternative medicines can work well together but would like to have good quality of healing without comprimising myself further with pain meds. any info you have would be gratefully accepted. thanks Sandiem

     
    Old 03-12-2009, 12:08 AM   #4
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    Re: wondering if someone could give me support for arthritis.

    Hi,
    I had Ostioarthritis long before I got RA. I had Ostioarthritis in my knees and my upper spine and benefited from Physical therapy.
    My first episode of RA occurred in the middle of the night when I tried to pull up the covers in my sleep and could not grip the covers and could not raise my arms. All my joints were swollen including my jaw joint! I was diagnosed wit Rheumatoid Arthritis (RA).
    My friend who had Lymme disease was my mentor until I found out she was using a Shaman for advice and she herself was a Shaman. My religious beliefs forbid talking to Spirits and so my world fell apart at that time as I felt I had no one to talk to and support me an give me advice.
    I was not taking a lot of her advice aqnyway because I was addicted to foods and she was telling me to give up chocolates and foods that I consumed to make me feel good emotionally.
    So although I was depressed about no mentor, I began researching the internet and books for answers. It turned out that my own intuition tuned into what I needed after 1 1/2 years and I began to get things under control.
    It was not an easy road and many wrong turns. But I can say that for now I can control my life.
    I will be happy to share what works for me with you.
    I would suggest an Integrative Physician who has an m.d. and works with alternative medicine as well. I have heard good things about homeopathy and someone I know was cured of Lupus this way. Acupuncture is another way to go. If you are in severe pain and cannot function you may have to decide if the drugs are need in the short term while you investigate treatment options.
    Begin eating a simple diet of cooked and raw vegetables and fish. I tried not eating fruit and did very badly, so fruit works for me but not citrus. Lots of oils like olive oil flax seeds ground fresh daily using a coffee grinder or flax seed oil kept refrigerated and avacadoes. Use squash, lima beans, peas raw bean sprouts, nuts seeds. No bread, no milk in any form. Rice, quinoa, millit if you do not have a flare from it. Fruits and dried fruits and cooked fruits are ok. If you have a juicer start juicing vegetable juice and try to make green juices at least once daily.
    In the morning One half teaspoon green barley juice powder called Just Barley, one tablespoon Arthred powder in a shake or mixed with juice.
    Make fish soups as much as you want and salads as much as you want.
    Try to use as many vegetables as possible. Garlic , ginger is great. I did eliminate onions for a while. You can make mushhroom soups using lot of different types of mushrooms. Make sure to eat The beans and peas and squashes for carbs. or you will burn muscle. experiment with potatoes but I would try to keep away from them for a couple of weeks. Same with tomatoes and eggplants. Chickpeas are great to use. Sorry no sugar for now. Honey may be ok.
    Allow youself to cheat on occassion but take note of what happens and what foods cause reactions. You may get swelling in the toes from one food and swelling and pain in your elbows from another. Take not of stress and weather conditions' effect too.
    Take magnesium, I like K-Mag by source naturals for pain in your muscles.
    Are you depressed (should I even ask), or fatigued easily?
    You need to allow for healing and you need to build super health to get your body in balance again so it can heal.
    There are some other herb and supplements to use. But for now you should see a huge benefit from the diet and morning drink and juicing.
    Go get the blood tests asap because Lymme disease can be cured if caught in time. If you do not have ticks, a dog that could have traveled to an areaa with ticks and you have not traveled then the bloodwork may show if you have an autoimmune disease. A person can have an autoimmune disease and not show it in the blood.
    I have much more to share ... we'll talk soon.
    Sharon

     
    Old 03-13-2009, 01:33 AM   #5
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    I will go and get checked for lymme disease, does this come from our animals? will research. i am so gratefull to have found this site. it is 2am and i cant sleep with the pain. i can't take any more pain meds. i will start this diet immediatly. Sharon are there any books you can suggest to get me going with diet. thanks so much for the support. this is so very appreciated. thanks Sandie

     
    Old 03-13-2009, 10:49 AM   #6
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    Re: wondering if someone could give me support for arthritis.

    I agree that alternative medicines can be good when working with western medicine. As a Native American woman I have seen it used together a lot, not as much as it used to because western religion has muddy much of our beliefs so it is hard to find someone anymore. Talk to your Dr maybe he can refer you to someone; at least after you have had blood tests to rule out other things, then you will know what you have and can find the right Dr to treat you. I know some western Dr's have training in alternative ways too. Good luck on finding someone to help you.

     
    Old 03-15-2009, 09:00 PM   #7
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    It's me with more info.....
    Lyme Disease Foundation of Canada says that Lyme Disease is becoming more common in Canada because of the warming temps. They have a great website.
    Please do not procrastinate about getting tested. It is blood work and will tell you also if you might have RA or infectious arthritis which is treatable and curable. Even if you have RA you have options to treat it and it is not the worst thing in the world to go on the medications while you do a diet change and investigate alternative healing. I chose the hard route but what I did not tell you about was that I had the Rhuematologist put me on tetracycline antibiotic therapy. You can look it up at The Road Back Founation website. It was difficult because it causes flare-ups and they were painful and depressing and my Dr. did not know how to manage this therapy and I was unable to continue without help. So my first choice was a drug with the least harmful side effects. I just kept researching and I took lots of supplements for inflammation. Eventually I gave up the supplements and began giving up the foods that were not helping me. My last reply to you has the basics to start you diet and super shake in the A.M. There are more ingredients that I add to my shake but for now keep it simple because you may be sensitive to many foods and they could be contributing to the flares you have.
    Some first aide:
    the bath - if you can get in and out of a bathtub - 1-2 cups epsom salt in a hot tub
    and soak for 5 minutes to get a sweat then add 1-4 bottles of hydrogen peroxide the kind you get in a drug store to clean wounds or rinse your mouth and comes in a brown bottle ( NOT the stuff for bleaching hair). 1 bottle works for me. It will get rid of aches and pains. Stay in the tub for 10-20 minutes.
    Mahanaranyan Oil. Get it in Indian Pharmacy or google oils from india and buy online. I have tried this oil from 2 different Indian Pharmacy's and it turns out the more expensive one, 15 dollars and is really stinky smelling, gets rid of all pain. It is the MASTER oil of India and you can warm the bottle in hot water but i just rub it on my joints and pain goes away.
    Arnica oil by Now from health food store or order online. Rub on joints for swelling. It also helps with pain. I had swelling behind and in front of knees and shoulders. Smells good and very economical. So I used this every day for months. I do not get very much swelling in my joints now. I liked it a lot for my toes too. I would use this after hot shower in A.M. and then get dressed.
    Music - Pandora is an internet radio station and it you go to their website and set up a station with either Deuter or Steven Halpern as the artist you will get beautiful healing music that will put you to sleep.
    Books - Eat to Live by Dr. Joel Furhman or Fuhrman and he is on utube. He heals illness with diet. He also has a website and treats patients.
    The Autoimmune Epidemic. Don't remember author but it is current research about statistics and causes.
    I am like a bottomless pit of information about Rheumatoid Arthritis but first you must get diagnosed. Also if you want to buy a supplement you can ask me if i used it or researched it.
    I forgot to mention my mom has RA and went into remission in sunny California, I am in NYC. But she swore by Arthritis formula Tylenol. I do well with Aleve and the liquid gel capsules work very well. I take the regular Aleve at night and the whole next day I am great. I cannot take them too frequently or my tummy will hurt.
    Try to take a deep breath. Realize that all things happen for a reason. That we are loved by G-d and He provides solutions to all our needs. Just have faith and trust that you will know when He is sending you the help you need. I know I am healing and I know that all the research I did will be of benefit to myself and others even if it is just to say that there are alternatives and choices. Perhaps we were were not lacking in our Faith but perhaps we were not connecting with our heart to each other and this is a way or learning that we really are all connected. For me this illness has been a road to better health and a deeper caring for anyone who is suffering. I do not hide my illness or my weaknesses. And as a result there is very little to hide as I do not look ill and my physical strength is returning.
    You too will see healing and bring healing to others.
    Sharon

     
    Old 03-16-2009, 12:07 PM   #8
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    thank you again for so much info, i am trying to get myself on tract. i so very appreciate your time and energy. blessings to you i will try to follow this approach. i am not well at the moment but hope to have more energy this week.

     
    Old 03-17-2009, 12:54 AM   #9
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    Hi Sandi,
    What's up? Are you in pain. Are you able to set up an appointment with your physician?
    Is there Rheumatoid Arthritis in your family?
    Let me know what happens with the Doctor. If it is Rheumatoid Arthritis the current treatment is to get the patient on meds quickly to prevent joint damage. If your pain and inflammation is bad you will have some decision making to do. All the RA drugs work by suppressing the immune system. So if you need the drugs just go by the Rheumatologist's recommendation.
    If you want to go the holistic route then you would need to be disciplined and do it right away. With RA you cannot do nothing because the inflammation will cause permanent damage to joints and in some cases to other parts of the body. The first two years are the time to get it under control. The doctors will be very persuasive about starting drug therapy because of this.
    One woman I know took only the anti inflmmitory drug given to her by the doctor for about a month and went into complete remission, but I think you said you have been taking them already. But you might want to try some the doctor would prescribe for you.
    I hope you will go to the doctor now. Do not put it off. Tell them that it might be RA and they need to see you now. Go to the ER if you cannot get an appointment.
    It could be Lyme Disease or Infectious Arthritis both of which need to be treated and could be cured if caught in time. If it is Rheumatoid Arthritis you need to begin treatment or Diet or get a holistic doctor to begin working with you.
    Please do not delay.
    Are you seeing a doctor for treatment from the accident? Did he run any blood tests.
    Did you try the bath I told you about.? It is a form of oxygen therapy. If you can get into and out of a bath, try it. It will make you feel good.
    Please update me. I am concerned.
    Blessings,
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    Old 03-17-2009, 10:25 AM   #10
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    Hi Sharon: i am waiting to go to my family doctor again. the problem is because i fell at the bus it is a wcb situation. i go to the doctor every Sat and he says everyone has aches and pains. these are not just aches and pains i have never been sick in my life. they are supposed to send me some kind of a specialist because of the fall and i am waiting for that. i am sure though that has nothing to do with arthritis. the arthritis showed up in the mri they gave me. the pain is still horrible. i can't get into the bathtub right now because i can't bend my knees. i am just showering 3-4 times a day because the heat feels good. i am trying to find a good homepathic or naturalpathic doctor in the area. i am sure there are many but it is finding one not only that i make progress with but trust. i appreciate the contact and will try to find someone asap. did get doctored by medicine person. every little bit hopefully helps. thanks again Sandie

     
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    Hi again Sharon: just wanted to let you know i have talked to my doctor and will go for bloodwork tomorrow. i have been getting the run around from the wcb files. i am so worried about all of this, on top of not feeling well i am dealing with politics. oh well i need to change my thinking. i am getting grouchy. i will go to an alternative doctor tomorrow.

     
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    I agree that alternative medicines can be good when working with western medicine. As a Native American woman I have seen it used together a lot, not as much as it used to because western religion has muddy much of our beliefs so it is hard to find someone anymore. Talk to your Dr maybe he can refer you to someone; at least after you have had blood tests to rule out other things, then you will know what you have and can find the right Dr to treat you. I know some western Dr's have training in alternative ways too. Good luck on finding someone to help you.

     
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    Hi there: thank you for this post. i just saw it today. i am still trying to figure out how to read and reply to messages. my preference is alternative medicines and there is a lady that has so kindly posted some helpful info. i appreciate any info anyone has. thanks so very much. Sandie

     
    Old 03-17-2009, 02:51 PM   #14
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    you know Sharon: as i reread your info you send,, i am increasingly filled with hope. thank you for the ones that have suffered before us and paved the way for us to find some healing and peace. thanks again Sandie

     
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    Dear Sandie,
    You are very welcome, and I hope you are feeling better. Let me know what your doctor says. Did I tell you to stop all milk products and grains for awhile? If you do that you may find that the pains diminish and you will be able to tell if you are sensitive to individual foods. I will give you more information soon about why foods cause inflammatory response.
    Even if you go to an alternative doctor please follow up with the blood work to determine if its RA, Infectious Arthritis, Lyme Disease. Also have your Thyroid levels checked, RA can be related to Thyroid problems. Google Rhematoid Thyroid for info.
    RA can include fatigue, depression, Muscle pains(fibromyalgia) as well as joint pain, swelling and weakness. Do not get overly worried about all this. If your diagnosis is RA, we will just address each symptom and strengthen you so that healing will occur.
    The Lord does not give us a problem without a soulution. Hey I misspelled that word and like it.
    Blessings
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