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    Old 12-04-2006, 07:36 AM   #1
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    higher rate of autism in boys?

    Does anyone know why there is a much higher rate of autism among boys than girls. I work a block from this center for Autism and it seems that 70% of the attendees are males.

     
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    Old 12-04-2006, 09:30 AM   #2
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    Re: higher rate of autism in boys?

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    Does anyone know why there is a much higher rate of autism among boys than girls. I work a block from this center for Autism and it seems that 70% of the attendees are males.
    I'm not a doctor, but I think males are more vulnerable in general (in utero, after birth, and probably in their early years).. their bodies/brains/etc are much more susceptible to issues than girls' are. They could be more likely to have I have actually read this several times, before my son was even born. And I'm sure you have probably read at some point that girls develop (on average) quicker than boys do. I also read somewhere that newborn girls are better at holding someone's gaze, can better "read" people's expressions and their tones, etc. Maybe all of this has something to do with it? Their brains work a bit differently in general anyway.

     
    Old 12-04-2006, 06:29 PM   #3
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    Re: higher rate of autism in boys?

    I think that the qualities of bookishness, introversion and a tendency to gravitate more toward academics than athletics are more tolerated in girls. Asperger's manifests itself differently in females.

     
    Old 12-04-2006, 06:50 PM   #4
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    Re: higher rate of autism in boys?

    From what I've read at the National Autistic Society webpage, the ratio seems to be 3-1, male to female. A famous author of a book about male and female brains and autism says it's even closer to 4-1, male to female.

     
    Old 12-05-2006, 02:09 AM   #5
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    Re: higher rate of autism in boys?

    I totally believe in the "testosterone theory," which states that an overabundance of testosterone in utero causes many developmental problems, among them autism, learning disorders, and even left-handedness. Of course, this is only a theory and doesn't apply to all (or even many) of the cases, but I think it has some definite merit. I'm biased because I think it's the only thing that could explain what went wrong with me developmentally. My mom took very good care of herself during pregnancy, there's absolutely no left-handedness or Asperger's/autism in my family, and I'm a left-handed, Aspie girl...
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    Old 12-05-2006, 10:58 AM   #6
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    Re: higher rate of autism in boys?

    Maybe it has something to do with a problem with the Y chromosome that can be passed from the mother, making her son more succeptable to autism. Because of the Y chromosome, certain disorders can only be passed from mother to son. Like hemophelia, Fragile X and even male pattern baldness. I don't think that the boy gets the autism because of the Y, but maybe there's something there, that makes him respond to triggers (maybe vaccines or another foreign substance??). Of course, this is a completely uneducated opinion. But, it makes sense to me.


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    Old 12-07-2006, 01:27 PM   #7
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    Re: higher rate of autism in boys?

    Im not sure!! What has been puzzling to me is the rate of which Autism rates sky rocketed World Wide!! for some reason!! unknown???My 10 yr old daughter is in the spectrum my son 20 is NT ?? If this is true about the testosterone in utero what caused this to happen all of a sudden 1 out of 166 children?? also could be genetics all of a sudden?? like i said very puzzling to me many children being diagnosed in the ASD spectrum for some unknown reason my daughter being one among many??

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    Old 12-08-2006, 08:14 PM   #8
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    Re: higher rate of autism in boys?

    i think the chromozone comment is probably more on track. because of the XY vs. XX combination males are genetically more prone to "syndromes" because genetically they are less stable. for example fragile x. girls have both x chromozones so if one is faulty the other will stablize the pairing but males do not have that "backup" chromozone. i love to tell men all of the time that woman are superior and now we have genetic proof! from a
    biological stand point though alot of the male systems are hardier than the female so a suppose it all balances out.

    and as far as the "sky rocketing rates" dont get too caught up in the statistics. in the medical field right now autism is the flavor of the month diagnosis. my son is classical autism (which means he is severe) more "modern" versions of autism can be "cured" meaning that you really have to question wether or not they were autistic to begin with. autism is a serious condition that just so happens to be this generations ADHD. when i was in school every EVERY problem kid and ADHD and now those kids have ASD instead. Yes i believe there is an increase in autism... is it epedimic? well who really knows? i was talking about it with one of my son's behavior specialists... her suggestion was that some of the kids she served really could better have benefitted from a spanking... and before anyone kills me that is not a cure for autims but there are a certain number of parents who like a label for a quick fix and thatwill slant a stat. statistics are a fun and FLEXIBLE tool that can be bent to anyones ideals. keep in mind that those statistics also contain things like late diagnosis (adults) misdiagnosis, short term diagnosis (kids who will come off the spectrum) and other number of variables. so dont put all your money on stats.

    do i believe autism is on the rise... you bet! do i panic... nope. like i said, the modern terminology for autism is entirely different creature than the past. a huge chunk of auties today are fully functional or will be after early intervention so why sweat it.

    early days of ABA had huge rates of success. because they would spank a kid who didnt look neurotypical or some other punishment for not "blending". before ABA you instituationalized your auties or kept them home if they were not severe and everyone just assumed that that 30 year old man that lived with his mom was weird or eccentric... etc. the Autistics have been here for some time, they just werent the hot topic until now. before blurring of the gender roles autism of a higher function mattered not at all. your social roles were so clearly defined and taught that perhaps it was just easier to blend because it didnt matter if you were a little off... if you were a woman you made babies and if you were a man your word was law. just food for thought on the statistic issue.

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    Old 12-08-2006, 10:26 PM   #9
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    Re: higher rate of autism in boys?

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    i was talking about it with one of my son's behavior specialists... her suggestion was that some of the kids she served really could better have benefitted from a spanking... and before anyone kills me that is not a cure for autims but there are a certain number of parents who like a label for a quick fix and thatwill slant a stat.
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    Wow! As the mother of an autistic child, I am sure you have encountered many people that assumed that all your child needed was a little disipline and perhaps a good spanking. Maybe they thought that if you were a responsible mother you child wouldn't have the problems he does.

    I personally am very tolerant of stangers who are uneducated on the whole topic of autism. I am understanding and quite forgiving of their ignorance because I know that they really don't know any better. But I have to admit that I am a bit offended to have that suggestion comming from someone who is already on my side of the fence.

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    Old 12-09-2006, 10:30 AM   #10
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    Re: higher rate of autism in boys?

    actually everyone who has met this behavioralist thinks she herself is autistic. no one has really every suggested isaac needed a spanking... because his level of severity is not able to be hidden or blended. she was talking about some of the really mild diagnosis... and i dont honestly think she is 100% correct but i can see where some times on the occassion a diagnosis can be forced in order to make things easier... whatever her opinion was such because she has been in the field for a very long time and is more "old school" herself and autism is her perservasion and she only really challenge by the hard cases like my son. in the end her personal opinion has no impact on her services so she can think whatever she wants about the kids on her own time.

     
    Old 01-16-2007, 11:37 AM   #11
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    Re: higher rate of autism in boys?

    This is going to sound very random, but the brother of Sacha Baron Cohen (Borat) actually studied autism, I think at Cambridge, and came up with the theory that autism is caused by an extremely male brain.

     
    Old 01-17-2007, 06:25 AM   #12
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    Re: higher rate of autism in boys?

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    i think the chromozone comment is probably more on track. because of the XY vs. XX combination males are genetically more prone to "syndromes" because genetically they are less stable. for example fragile x. girls have both x chromozones so if one is faulty the other will stablize the pairing but males do not have that "backup" chromozone. i love to tell men all of the time that woman are superior and now we have genetic proof! from a
    biological stand point though alot of the male systems are hardier than the female so a suppose it all balances out.

    and as far as the "sky rocketing rates" dont get too caught up in the statistics. in the medical field right now autism is the flavor of the month diagnosis. my son is classical autism (which means he is severe) more "modern" versions of autism can be "cured" meaning that you really have to question wether or not they were autistic to begin with. autism is a serious condition that just so happens to be this generations ADHD. when i was in school every EVERY problem kid and ADHD and now those kids have ASD instead. Yes i believe there is an increase in autism... is it epedimic? well who really knows? i was talking about it with one of my son's behavior specialists... her suggestion was that some of the kids she served really could better have benefitted from a spanking... and before anyone kills me that is not a cure for autims but there are a certain number of parents who like a label for a quick fix and thatwill slant a stat. statistics are a fun and FLEXIBLE tool that can be bent to anyones ideals. keep in mind that those statistics also contain things like late diagnosis (adults) misdiagnosis, short term diagnosis (kids who will come off the spectrum) and other number of variables. so dont put all your money on stats.

    do i believe autism is on the rise... you bet! do i panic... nope. like i said, the modern terminology for autism is entirely different creature than the past. a huge chunk of auties today are fully functional or will be after early intervention so why sweat it.

    early days of ABA had huge rates of success. because they would spank a kid who didnt look neurotypical or some other punishment for not "blending". before ABA you instituationalized your auties or kept them home if they were not severe and everyone just assumed that that 30 year old man that lived with his mom was weird or eccentric... etc. the Autistics have been here for some time, they just werent the hot topic until now. before blurring of the gender roles autism of a higher function mattered not at all. your social roles were so clearly defined and taught that perhaps it was just easier to blend because it didnt matter if you were a little off... if you were a woman you made babies and if you were a man your word was law. just food for thought on the statistic issue.

    Liz
    Well thank god im not the only one who thinks this way! My son has been diagnosed as PDD-NOS, yes he does have tendancies but do I think he is autistic, no not at all! I believe that my sons so called melt downs are a reaction to the way the doctors treat him. For me they are temper tantrums which are easily controlled when I speak to him and explain why he cannot have/do what he wants. He is 3 1/2 and one of the most cunning little boys I know. Sometimes we need to see past the lables that they are given and see the person for who they really are.

     
    Old 02-06-2007, 06:22 PM   #13
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    Re: higher rate of autism in boys?

    Yes, testosterone mixes with the preservative in vaccines, thimerosol, to create the autism symptons.

     
    Old 02-06-2007, 09:34 PM   #14
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    Re: higher rate of autism in boys?

    ooh i know why

    there ISNT

    this myth has gotten on my last nerve, it does NOT effect boys more

    it effects girls very differently than boys, and doctors have not figured this out yet.


    my mom and me are autistic, two of my brothers, and my dad
    i see teh differences every single day they are so glaringly obvious.

    girls are mroe talkative, and better at fakeing social habbits. we both fake by always smileing and laughing at like everything.

    the guys are quieter and less extroverted, including my autie co-worker, they are also Less Hypersenstaive than girls, suprising right?

    the list goes on.

    i am very sorry to report that the "vaccine" theory hasbeen proven asa government coverup, its NOT true, and it effects grils just as much, tehy just are not diagnosed as accurately as boys.
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