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Old 12-22-2006, 08:17 PM   #1
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Question was this psycologist out of place?

hi everyone. lucas had his psycological eval yest. i have never been to a psycologist so i didnt know what to expect. lucas is almost four, and was diagnosed with pdd by the neuro today. we walked into the psycologist's office and lucas went to his desk to look at the computers screensaver he grabbed the mouse, so my husband and i told him to let go of the mouse, lucas didnt and moved the mouse around so we both again told him to let go of the mouse and to come sit with us. of course he didnt, and clicked the mouse, the screen saver disappeared, and so my husband got up and carried him so that he wont do anything to the computer, lucas wasnt happy and yelled, and kicked while in the air. and we tried to calm him down. the psycologist said he wouldnt tolerate that behavior, and literally picked him up by his shoulders lifted him in the air, and put him in a corner OUTSIDE his office in the waiting room and closed the door. (he has no other staff in the office, and no other patients in the waiting room. just lucas alone. at that point lucas was crying, and wouldnt respond to him. he wanted lucas to calm down, look him in the eye and give him his hand so they can walk in hand in hand. of course, lucas wont do that. he has poor eye contact, he is not social and he doesnt like to be touched, or cuddled etc, especially by strangers. we tried to explained but he felt we just overprotect him and he can do all these things. at the end, lucas was in the room with him for the first 2 minutes, then another 40 min in the waiitng room alone, he unlocked the door and tried to get out, and still he wouldnt let him in the room with us, and kept saying lucas was trying to manipulate him. we kept looking at the door, and he would go out to the waiting room, and tell lucas if you are ready to come inside then look at me, give me your hand and tell me. but lucas has a delayed speech, it''s obvious, we told him and gave him a copy of the speech evaluation. at the end, he knelt down, gave him a speech, and pulled him into his chest in a hug like position, lucas of course did not respond, but at this time he had cried enough, and was calmer and scared i think. this stranger was keeping him away from his parents and yelling.
lucas was alone in the waiting room all this time.

is this normal? have any of you had similar experiences?

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Old 12-23-2006, 07:26 AM   #2
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Re: was this psycologist out of place?

It sounds rather strange.

I know that sometimes the trained professionals that work with Autistic children come across stern and indifferent to the child's behaviors while teaching the child about unacceptable behaviors. This situation that you describe sounds unlike anything I've seen or heard of and we've seen and had many different ABA Therapists and doctors along our road.

I was frustrated when my son was first receiving ABA because I felt the approach was very cold and upsetting to him. But today.... he is a different child because of it. In my son's case, if you didn't know he had PDD you would never think it. The indifferent approach really worked with him and once I saw the results of the ABA I wasn't at all sorry. He's great today at 4 after he was dx at 2.

It's different parenting a child on the spectrum. They understand more than we give them credit for. While I'm not defending the Doctor's approach, he may have been testing to see what level of understanding your son had.

The important thing is to get your son all of the services that will help him advance to his potential. ABA and Floortime are great methods along with a preschool to address his needs.

Good Luck.

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Old 12-23-2006, 09:16 AM   #3
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I think the psychologist was totally out of place and I would not bring my child there again. I think the therapist's behavior shows a complete lack of understanding of ASD children. As I understand the situation, this was an evaluation, not any type of therapy session. How can he evaluate a child he won't even allow into the room? I can understand how the previous poster points out that strict limits may need to be set in a therapy type situation, but this was an evaluation, right? I'd consider filing some type of complaint. In my opinion an ASD 4 year old needs constant adult supervision to be safe and this therapist, by being in a position of authority, forced you to place your child into an unsafe situation.

You will find over the years there are people who are going to be helpful to your child, and people who are not. Seek out the helpful ones, and ditch the unhelpful ones. Throw this guy into the unhelpful pile, and move on. Look for a comprehensive autism center in your area where they specialize in treating children on the autism spectrum and other related conditions. I live in Minnesota and both of my ASD children received evaluations, occupational therapy for sensory issues, and therapeutic preschool at a place called the Fraser Center. I'm sure most large metropolitan areas have similar centers. I'd put a link up to them just so that you could get an idea of the type of place I'm talking about, but I don't think we are allowed to do that. I do know that there are many similar places out there and I hope you find one that can be as helpful to you and your son as the place I found was for us!

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I totally agree with "laenini," totally!!! I think you can chalk that up to be a negitive experience. I think you are like a deer in headlights because you trust a "professional" and when they do something like that it is difficult to react. I had something happen very similar and I didn't realize how bad it was until after when we were home and I could process. My advise would be to learn from it and move on to someones else. You are going have to find someone you are going to be comfortable with and by the way you described...he wasn't it. Good luck. You will find a good match. They are out there.

Old 12-23-2006, 06:48 PM   #5
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thanks for your responses. i too didnt quite process everything while we were there, but the more i thought of it, the more it bothered me. this was an evaluation, not treatment. the neurologist he saw the next day also said they thought it was "out of the norm" and we should probably not go back. she did refer us to a "behavior" therapist for behavior modification.

Old 12-23-2006, 08:21 PM   #6
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First of all he had no right to scold or touch your child, he sounds very arregant. Second of all i agree as above how can he evaluate a child not in the room. Third nobody NOBODY knows your child better than the parents. A good dr would listen to the parents. Just listening to your story upset me. I would have been way rattled. Find someone new. I think he must have crossed some ethical bounderies. I would report it to your insurance.

Old 12-24-2006, 12:03 AM   #7
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i would conplain and ask to see someone esle next time ,you are the parents and you set down the rules on how to manage your child, you did not give this person permission to disaplin your child , if he didnt read all the information on your lad how dose he know if you child is not going to self harm when disstressed if was on his own

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Old 12-24-2006, 04:24 AM   #8
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Re: was this psycologist out of place?

I would do two things if I was you... first off contact your insurance and let them know what happened and tell them not to pay. You child was NOT evalulated if he wasn't in the room. And honestly if he had been there for some kind of theoripy he didn't get that either.

Second contact the national board of psychictry(sp?) (or if your not in the US) write them a letter letting them know what happened. Honestly at best that was unprofessional. And certianly wasn't a safe way to deal with an ASD child.

When my son was evalualate he was also attracted to the mouse. The Psychitrict unpluged it and put it away and contrinued with the evaluation. He pretty much let Isaac do what he wanted, while not administering tests, to observe how he acted. (And explaned to use everything he was doing from a clinical stand point, It's how we learned about stimming).

You need a specialist in autism or a neuralogist with experance with it to do the eval. And I'm thinking this guy needs to be avoided.

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