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Old 04-28-2005, 01:34 AM   #1
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Question StarDust (and anyone) PT ?'s


While MANY here have had experience with PT I hope they'll share, I've noticed in a lot of your posts references to yours.
It sounds as if you've tried quite a bit.

In your opinion, do you honestly think this is an avenue I should go down at the point I'm at now?

I know (or hope) it won't hurt me and even think it will... at the very least help me strengthen my abs and other muscles... and by doing so allow me to see the techniques to continue later.. and also, maybe doing some now might help me be in better shape for the enevitable upcoming surgery.

what do you think?


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Old 04-28-2005, 10:26 AM   #2
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Re: StarDust (and anyone) PT ?'s


I think it is optimal to have some level of ongoing rehabilitation through the entire pain process. The more deconditioned an individual becomes the more difficult recovery is. If you look at a typical lumbar problem and how they are often handled it becomes more clear.

Injury in January 2005, Bedrest for a week with NSAIDS, Back to Doctor in a week or two, Recommends P.T., MRI and Continued NSAIDS, Adds Opioid, P.T. for 2 weeks with no improvement, Back to M.D. after wait, Referral to spine surgeon 2 - 6 weeks for appointment, recommends epidural injections and pm consult, 2-6 weeks for consultation, 3 more weeks for injections, back to spine specialist, recommends surgery, 2 to 4 weeks for surgery and then post-operative recovery period before p.t. starts.

I almost think my schedule is too kind. It reflects about 27 weeks before having surgery in some cases. This is an awful long time to go with no significant activity. Body strength is severely diminished affecting recovery.
I am not advocating for full blown p.t. through the whole process but whatever you can do to keep unaffected and affected parts of your body strong is a step in the right direction.

Old 04-28-2005, 02:01 PM   #3
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Re: StarDust (and anyone) PT ?'s

Hi BW ,
Personally, I think PT is a HUGE waste of money. As you know by my previous posts, they had me doing everything wrong. When the Surgeon had me lay on his table and he sat beside me and spent 30 minutes teaching the RIGHT way to do it, I got better within a week. And still have alot more strength now. I knew how much better I was when my 20 month old Granddaughter has a sandbox at home, but not here, she saw sand (a fire ant hill) and stuck her hand right down in the middle. I could run, grab her up, brush off the ants and spray her arm with solorcaine and not even flinch, it hit me afterwards, she is light, but I never felt a twingle when I grabbed her up and ran into the house.
I can tell you what he had me do, which is up to you, he told me it was safe for everyone and alot of people here have done the same thing, but I am only letting you know what I was taught, and I feel GREAT!!


Go to a quite room, ALONE, everyday, get on the floor (not a bed) as best you can (it'll get easier). Laying flat on your back with your knee's up. Grab one knee and pull it too your chest as tight as you can (STILL BREATHING NORMALY, NOT THROUGH YOUR MOUTH) count to 30. Then slowly lower your leg and repeat this on the other side. Now pull BOTH legs up to your chest (curling into a ball) for 30 seconds. Then let it down slowly one leg at a time.
With knees bent, now lift one leg and lay ankle across the other knee, use your hands and push down on the thigh for 30 seconds, then the other. Now with legs back in the possition with knee's up, lift one leg straight in the air as much as possible holding the thigh or knee area (pulling toward you) for 30 seconds ( a elastic excersize band can help hold the knee straight). Then the other. Now roll over to your hands and knee's to help get up. In a sitting possition, legs spread, use both hands to reach for the left side toes for 30 seconds ( I have to bend the other leg back to do this), now do the right toes for 30 seconds RELAX AND LET YOURSELF FOLD AND MELT TO THE FLOOR. Now do either both legs reaching for them apart, or since I can't do that one, I sit with my feet close to me and grab my feet with both hands, and slowly slide the feet out as straight as you can (use your fingers to CRAWL out farther) for 30 seconds REMEMBER TO BREATHE NORMALLY AND WHEN YOU STRETCH, RELAX AND MELT INTO THE FLOOR!! Raise up slowly.
That's it. in 1 week I did more than 3 months of PT, My Surgeon was thrilled, in one week I could stand and touch my toes, (couldn't do that BEFORE back problems) .
Now I have added one more thing on my own, and told him about it, he agreed. After I am finished and stand straight up, I lift both arms into the air and lowering them taking deep breaths, I do this twice. Then I put both arms out to the sides and facing forward I turn at the hips to the left, pause, forward, pause, then right, for the count of 10.
All this takes a whole 10-15 minutes tops. and doesn't cost a dime and actually works.
I went to PT the other day to say hi, they couldn't believe how good I was doing WITHOUT THEM!
I go for the pool though.[/COLOR][B]
I hope this helps, this has made me ALOT stronger, to the point I began walking around the block every night, until one night my leg was too painful to do the walking and now we know it is a hardware and scar tissue problem. The Surgeon looked at my CT Scan and said: WOW, look at your muscle tone!!
(He's the one who taught it too me, I just did it.) In a few days it's very simple, sometimes boring, but don't give up.


Old 04-28-2005, 04:29 PM   #4
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Re: StarDust (and anyone) PT ?'s

PT was a great help to me. I have spinal stenosis and a bulging disk between L4 and L5. Due to that I have neuropathy in my lower legs and feet. I went to a Physiatrist and he ordered PT for me and gave me Neurontin and Amitriptyline and I became almost pain free. I continued all my exercises at home after PT was over . Now I have not been able to do them for 6 mos. due to having TWO primary cancers and have had 3 surgerys , chemo and rads and have to start chemo again mid May. Once all this is over I intend to start my exercises again. The trouble is right now that I have been cut from below my right ear to the pubic bone so no exercising for me ! Lia

Old 04-28-2005, 05:33 PM   #5
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Re: StarDust (and anyone) PT ?'s

Hi Bionic! Just want to way ET 318 and mlachowicz helped me with my PT questions, and I am sticking with the PT for now. I never had experience w/PT before & was dubious about it, since I wasn't seeing any improvment. But, all of a sudden, The pain got a little better, and I almost forgot about it today. So, I'm going to stick it out with PT. I''ve read you're posts and know you have a lot more serious problems than I have, but I was reading something last night about how a slow method of PT fights severe back pain...something called global postural re-education method (GPR) of PT. I haven't found out who does this, though. Since I am a cynic & trust nothing, I doubted PT, but....I decided to change my attitude and give it a darn good try. Anything is better than pain, and meds for pain. Wishing you well.

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