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    Old 04-28-2005, 03:51 PM   #1
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    neck/back pain Drs can't find cause

    I am really seeking your help. I don't know what else to do. I work in a factory, I do overhead work all day, I have been doing this for the last 11 years. I started having pain in my upper back and neck. I could touch exactly where it hurt. I told my boss, he didn't want to send me for me to the work Dr because of we were short manpower. He put me on restrictions to do only certain jobs to see if that would help. Well it didn't. I finally went to the the company Dr. They ran all kinds of test (X Ray,MRI) and have found nothing. I then went to see my own Dr and for some reason, the workers comp people kept wanting to talk to him. He finally said that he could not help me. I was confused. He just looked at their reports and said nothing was there. I kept telling him I was hurting and that something was causing it. He literally said, "Well I can't help you and good luck." Ok, I dropped him quickly and went to see another Dr. She sent me to a bone and joint specialist and they ran MRI on neck but said there was nothing there. Today the specialist told me he is sending me to pain management. Will that just mask the problem and not get to the root cause? Here are my symptoms: neck falls asleep, it hurts anytime I tilt it for over 5 minutes ( to read, wash dishes, etc), it feels like I have floating bone fragments in my neck. My upper back hurts right between my shoulder blades, my shoulder baldes feel brused on the tips, if I jog for a short distance it feels like my bones are pounding each other in my upper back, left leg falls asleep mostly from the knee down and into my toes. my tailbone is starting to hurt a lot and I noitced my butt falls asleep sometimes (wierd feeling). If I walk for a long period of time my back hurts (went shopping at the mall) or if I ride in the car a long time(drove to another city 2 hours away and back-that is when I went to the mall). Sometimes when I lay on my left side it falls asleep. My right shoulder hurts as well. I am starting to have some pain in my lower back too. Could the problem be getting worse? If anyone can offer anything thing to say to the Dr that I am not saying or that they are not suggesting I would appreciate it. I go back to my PCP the middle of may, a week before I go to PM. I know workers comp is just buying time so they can try to settle on this. Oh, WC sent me to see a Dr and he gave me a 5% disability rating. What is that all about? I just feel like the Drs don't want to deal with WC.

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    Old 04-28-2005, 05:19 PM   #2
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    Re: neck/back pain Drs can't find cause

    Just want to say hi and the people on this board are great. You came to the right place, I think. I, too, have had a problem getting a diagnosis from the drs, so I got fed up and asked them about physical therapy. P.T/'s can't diagnose, but if the problem is repetitive work, causing stress & strain on certain muscles, you can get all kinds of problems, as I've found. Maybe the overhead work is putting too much strain on the neck, shoulder and lowerback causing stress injuries or weaknesses? I've been in a lot of pain for 10 weeks, w/rib pain and sarted PT early this month. Yesterday & today, I almost came to the point of forgetting the PT must be helping. If none of the drs can figure it out, you may want to see if PT can help. Hope you feel better soon...being in pain every minute, while trying to work is a real torture. Thanks to a few people here, I decided to stick with the PT, as I was getting frustrated about it not helping...and then...I finally think it's starting to get better! I had all the MRI's & srays, too...and they didn't show anything. Might be worth a try.

    Old 04-28-2005, 06:38 PM   #3
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    Having workman's comp in the picture really is a pain, literally. For some reason, it sounds like they scared your personal doctor off...and how unethical can you get? What you really need is an uninvolved dr. to run further tests...myelogram, possibly or MRI with contrast. I never really know what to tell people who are under w/c; every state is different. Hopefully, someone will come along shortly and give you some good advise. All I can do is wish you well.

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    Old 04-28-2005, 07:59 PM   #4
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    Re: neck/back pain Drs can't find cause

    I also want to echo that you will get a lot of great advice here. I can not say what your injury is, however it does sound that a lot of it is unrealted. For example your side falling asleep when you lay on it is pretty common. This is why we see drs I guess!

    I did want to let you know that a pain doc is wonderful! I was in your position many years ago, with everyone telling me there was nothing causing the pain. I was sent to a PM who ran a number of tests (disco, injections etc) and was able to pinpoint the problem. It is easy to forget that we really don't know that much about the back, there is a lot in there that we are just figruing out. THe best thing is to do a lot of research on your own and tell the dr as clearly as you can how you feel.

    WHen you said it feels like there are bone fragments floating around I assumed that meant you have had that condition before? That may be important as it is my understanding that a lot of times that are unable to locate all the fragments during removal. Be sure that you tell your dr that.

    Anyway, good luck my thoughts are with you!


    Old 04-28-2005, 08:23 PM   #5
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    Welcome to the boards, and yes you will find all kinds of great people here that can off advice and listen to you vent. They listen to me all the time and just keep trying to cheer me up. I agree that you should find a doctor that is uninvolved and see about additional test. W/C is a pain no matter what state you live in. I would think that it would be very unethical of your primary physician to not give you the kind of treatment you deserve just because W/C is involved. I would find someone that doesn't know anything about what is going on other than the pain your experiencing and not mention W/C to that doctor until after he offers his opinion. Then it would be ok to say.......well W/C blah blah get the picture. Good Luck!!! Keep Smiling!!!

    Old 04-28-2005, 08:59 PM   #6
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    I really appreciate your thoughts and well wishes. I am just really frustrated because they make me feel like I am dumb and stupid. They tell me that all the test are negative and look at me like I am crazy. I sometimes just don't get the Drs.
    I too and feeling like they are stupid because I hurt and I want them to help because Drs know it all right? Don't they play God and try to heal the sick and save the lame? I just don't understand it, I really don't know why nothing is showing up on the test but the pain is there. I know I am not making this up, if so, I want to change the story so that there is no pain involved.
    I can't go to a dr that is clueless because workers comp will not pay for it. I have to go to my PCP and they have to make referrals. Thanks again and I will continue to pray and search the many boards out there and pray and cry.

    Old 04-28-2005, 10:08 PM   #7
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    It sounds like you are getting the run around. I would recommend getting an attorney for your case, that way you can see a doctor thats not affiliated with the company you work for. That way you know the doctors are working with you and not against you ! Good Luck !

    Old 04-29-2005, 01:49 AM   #8
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    Re: neck/back pain Drs can't find cause

    Welcome to the Back board Angel

    I seriously sense you have SOMETHING going on with the symptoms you've described. I think you need to see a spine specialist ASAP.

    Sorry, but I can't help you with any WC issues or practices, luckily (for me) I've never had to deal with them.

    As for pain management. A good Dr will NOT just mask the pain. They will help you get your pain to a manageable level while trying to lead you in the right direction of determing the CAUSE of your pain. A good PM may attempt conservative procedures i.e. ESI, blocks etc..but will also send you to a NS or other speciality if these measures do not help you.

    please keep us posted on how your doing

    Old 04-29-2005, 05:43 AM   #9
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    Can you get in to see a physiatrist?

    Old 04-29-2005, 07:35 AM   #10
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    Have you tried a chiroprator? I didn't use to believe in them, but I had neck pain that lead to headaches EVERYDAY, and I was popping Excedrain daily and figured that wasn't doing any good. So I went and boy was my neck a mess, I could tell when he put the x-ray up before he started talking. And the adjustments felt good, immediatly then I would be really sore the rest of the day for probably like the first 2 weeks, but as time went one, I had no pain and visits got further and further apart to just maintain. I hope you find some relief. I agree you don't need to mask the pain with meds, you need to find out whats causing the pain. Good luck to you.
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    Old 04-29-2005, 09:22 AM   #11
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    Do you have a copy of your MRI results? Can you post what it says in the summary section?

    Two things to consider when talking about a "NORMAL" MRI...

    Facet arthropathy/facet joint dysfunction is a condition that can could cause a majority of your neck and back complaints. A substantial number of radiologists have not been trained to report facet arthropathy because they do not believe it to be clinically significant. In other words, they do not believe it to be a pain generator and therefore may not make mention of it in their report. There is also the possibilty that the facet joint capsules can suffer tears that are not visible on MRI.

    The second issue is that internal disc disruption does not appear on MRI. When other potential causes of spine/extremity pain have been ruled out this must be a consideration. It can only be confirmed through discography.

    I would like to hear more about your "normal" MRI to really try and judge the thoroughness of the read.

    Good Luck!

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