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    Old 04-02-2008, 03:31 PM   #1
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    who has had problems with the CRX-9000

    Hello, I am wondering how many of you all have gone through the drx-9000 20 session treatment plan. I did and now I am worse off than ever. I talked to a lawyer, I want my money back! I want something done so that these pople can not treat people and take there money when the problems we face are just above what these quakropractors can fix. They want their money, bottom line!

     
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    Old 04-02-2008, 04:25 PM   #2
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    Re: who has had problems with the CRX-9000

    I know there are several people who have done this. I believe if you do a Advanced Search on Justoneofus, she did it. Also there is a sticky pinned at the top of the thread page called, Drx-9000 therapy. Hope this helps you.

     
    Old 04-02-2008, 11:19 PM   #3
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    Re: who has had problems with the CRX-9000

    I did the DRX 9000C (for cervial spine) about 3 years ago, it cost me $5200 and lasted for a very short period of time, although I was told it would provide relief. I would agree with you that it is not worth the money at all. I feel it is sad to see that so many people have wasted their money on this when the doctors should really be telling us of the numbers of people for which the machine does not help. I recently spoke with a member of the local city newspaper in my town about the results (or non-results) of the DRX and he is running an article about the fact that there are not enough fact based studies out there to allow these doctors to say it is "the best thing out there". I'm sorry to hear that it did not work for you either...

     
    Old 04-02-2008, 11:37 PM   #4
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    Re: who has had problems with the CRX-9000

    I did the DRX back in 2003 I think. Can't remember exactly when. The Chiropractor had just gotten it. With that I did adjustments and physical therapy. In the end I developed horrible pain in both hips. They said it was from the corset thing being too tight. Who knows. The Chiropractor actually took the xray himself and developed it. He said I had a hip fracture. Then he said he was sending it out to be read by a Radiologist. I never got a straight answer from him on the results. I told my primary Dr. about it and she sent me to the hospital for an xray. There was nothing. So I never went back again. My insurance paid for the whole thing. Not a good idea if you ask me.

     
    Old 04-03-2008, 09:30 AM   #5
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    Re: who has had problems with the CRX-9000

    I spent about a year with a chiro doing the drx along with the cold laser and various forms of physical therapy and muscle training. Think the charge was around $4200 for a year's treatment regardless of how many or how few vists I made to his office but it probably averaged about 3 visits a week.

    I think I made some modest improvements but nothing near the propaganda video where they show a man in too much back pain to hardly move and then going on to water ski after the drx treatments.

    If I had to do it over again, I think I would have saved my money and just worked with physical therapy and modest stretching and manage with pain meds as needed (which at the time were several 7.5 vic's a day). 2 different surgeons said I'm not a good candidate for surgery in my case.

    These days, my biggst problem has been with the SI joints and numb feet and sore lower back when standing but after gettting referred to a new pain mgt practice that is doing the SI joint injections, I've been feeling much better. After reading the post from Hessie, I wonder if my SI pain/problems was a result of the harness thing from the drx and yanking on my hips with over 100lbs of pressure for a year?

    Seems to me, my SI pain didn't start until some time after the drx treatments while my original pain due to rupture at L4 started to subside a bit.

    So far, I get about a month of relief with the SI injections and can function decently before the pain and discomfort of standing start back in and I head back to the pain mgt center to get shot up again.

    My PCP seems happier for me to get the monthly injection than to be on a daily vicodin plan. One of the surgeons I see prescribes the meds on an as-needed basis (since I have some good days and bad days still) but since I started the injections I went from 2 or 3 vics a day to maybe 2 or 3 a week (little more now since they are redoing the place where I get the injections and I won't be able to be seen for a few more weeks which brings me to around 2 months since last time). The doc who did the injections after the last time which was the third set to just play it by ear and come back and see him when and if I needed to.

    But still - wonder if that drx actually caused some of problems? The treatments were 28 minutes and I usually hated the entire time on the machine.

    I'm scheduled for an MRI for neck and back tomorrow since it has been almost a year since my last MRI. The one surgeon who didn't want to do anything for my back has the opposite feeling about the buldge at C5 which he said he could most definately take care of for me but so far, since I don't have numbness in my arm and some other tell tales of compression problems, I've put it off. The second surgeon had agreed there wasn't any rush to do an ACDF for C5/6 at the present time and to come back and see him in 6 months for re-eval.

     
    Old 04-03-2008, 11:19 AM   #6
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    Re: who has had problems with the CRX-9000

    I too am wondering if the DRX caused me additional problems. I also hated every minute of being stretched on the table! Not at all plesent and relaxing like they say it is! It has been less than one year since my 20 session treatment plan for 5k and now my left foot is extremly week due t nerve damage and I am on morphine for the pain. Not at all what I expected obviously. I feel that they totaly took advantage of me and never should have accepted me as a canadate for this. I mean when somebody has been dealing with severe chronic pain for years and a doc tells them that they can be totaly fixed? You can not put a price on being pain free, too bad he was full of crap! But how does a person prove that the treatments did in fact do us more harm than good? I would love to prove it and take them to court. Not only is the pain bad but the mental stress as well. I was so enthusiastic about these treatments and being pain free that it was really helping my depression, I was finaly starting to come out of the funk I have been feeling for many years. Wow the thought of being pain free, no more pain pills, just living a pain free life is to me would be better than winning the lottery. I was actually talking to people once again, calling up friends and looking forward to getting on with life again. When that quakropractore failed to produce any results for me, I mean none, not better but worse for 5k. Needless to say the thought of not ever waking up again was sounding better than it did before. bad back or not

     
    Old 04-03-2008, 11:25 AM   #7
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    Becky, I would really like to know how that goes for you with the news paper. I have also really thought about doing the same thing and think you may have just encouraged me to do it. I have talked to lawyers about this and well a malpractice case runs into the hundreds of thousands but small claims court may be the way to go for a refund. But, I want more, I want people to know they may very well be getting taken advantage of! 5ooo dollars is a butt load of money when you can not work any longer to pay it off.

     
    Old 04-04-2008, 11:27 AM   #8
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    Re: who has had problems with the CRX-9000

    Sixty8rs,

    Not sure how you could really go about proving the drx caused or made your problem worse. Possibly if you have MRI and/or x-rays of before treatment and after treatment and something can actually be noticable, that might support a position that you were harmed by the treatment.

    Otherwise, you could probably find a doctor who for a fee, would be willing to be an expert witness for you should you go to court and put forward a position that X amt of tension from the drx may have caused your situation to worsen.

    Although, between doctor fees and lawyer fees, it might end up costing you more than what you would recover of your original $5K unless the guy with the drx tries to settle with you instead of going to court.

    When I walked into the chiro's office, I could not stand up straight and the pain in my back and shoulder were such that I was eating various narcotics and other pills like M&M's throughout the day and taking turns alternating through Ice packs, TENS unit, and heating pads every night that I viewed even the possibility of an improvement as something to try since I was nearing my limits.

    Although now, two years later I am in better shape and if it was a trade-off of pain levels of Then Vs Now and possible complications from the drx, I'll take now. I just think that the PT the chiro had me doing and possibly some the adjustments he made probably did more for me than what the drx did.

    I don't know if he really believed the drx was a viable solution or just pushed that approach as what might have helped while being able to charge the most he could.

    I don't remember now but at the time when I started the treatments I signed a two or three page contract for treatment and I'd be surprised if tucked in there somewhere wasn't a clause that said I understood the drx to be investigational treatment and may or may not actually improve my situation and I wouldn't hold the chiro liable for any bad results or something like that.

    Hope things do work out for you.

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    Old 04-04-2008, 08:29 PM   #9
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    Re: who has had problems with the CRX-9000

    [QUOTE=Sixty8rs;3514221]Hello, I am wondering how many of you all have gone through the drx-9000 20 session treatment plan. I did and now I am worse off than ever. I talked to a lawyer, I want my money back! I want something done so that these pople can not treat people and take there money when the problems we face are just above what these quakropractors can fix. They want their money, bottom line![/QUOTE]


    For 3 weeks, I walked in...and crawled out. It made me worse, much worse. I did this in 2004. I still have no relief and just got another new doctor that I hope will finally fix me. This machine make work for short term problems, but for seriouse issues, I think it exaserbates the problem! My insurance refused to pay for most of it (I found out later) and it cost me $3000 out of pocket. What a traveling medicine show that was!!! I don't blame you for wanting a refund. My guess is that there is 'no gaurentee". It's a fly by night FF

     
    Old 04-05-2008, 06:24 AM   #10
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    Re: who has had problems with the CRX-9000

    Hi. I am wondering if any of you know if the CRX/DRX-9000 is also marketed under the name "Lordex" treatment? It sounds very similar from reading your posts: lying on a sliding table, wearing a harness hooked to a chain that pulls at your low back at different angles depending on your injury location, with two supports under your armpits to create a situation like the old "rack" from a medieval torture chamber? I have been on the Lordex for almost seven weeks now, 3x/week. I have injuries from L-4 to S-1, including a Parr's fracture of the L-5. I am just having a difficult time telling if this treatment is helping me or not. Some days I regain feeling in my feet for a while, and some days it makes it worse for 10-12 hours afterward. This is a work-related accident treatment, so W.C. is covering it so far. But if it's not really going to help, I want to seek different treatment before they pull the rug out from under me. Sounds like many of you are not experiencing any lasting positive results?

     
    Old 04-05-2008, 10:58 AM   #11
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    Worried. Same process, different name. That is about the gist of it. Mine was called something else, but it too was the exact same thing. It is not a cure guy. It just isn't. It may help your back feel better overall for a while depending on how your body responds. It's a traction/workout machine.. nothing more. Did a spine surgeon recommend this for you? And I believe in some circumstances, this machine could literally harm people. Traction is not recommended for all spine issues at all, and that is exactly what this program is (aka oscillation).

    I'm with you on the fact that the money is irrelevant in your case. If it's not helping you or possibly causing you more harm.. is not good, and you need to speak up and starting complaining to WC and your doctor. Be your own advocate for your care.

    Good luck and keep us posted.
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    Old 04-05-2008, 05:36 PM   #12
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    Thanks, Justo. It sounds like a real mixed bag of results, from a lot of protocols under different names that are basically the same idea and maybe even the same machine. I have definitely felt some improvement on certain days, but then the other day I went way backwards when my spine surgeon suggested moving the Lordex pull-zone back up to L-3/L-4 after having gone down to L-5/S-1 already. Huge mistake. Lost feeling in my left foot again, plus horrendous dull low back ache and resumption of the classic sciatic "stingers" on both sides. A lot of my problems are definitely injury-related, starting with being thrown over the front of a horse at 14 and having the horse step on my middle and low back as it ran over me. After that, it was heavy work in the oilfields, then running huge whitewater rafts and lifting them onto trailers many times a day (that caused the Parr's fratcture and other problems). But this fall from the scaffold has wrecked a greater number of lower torso disks, nerve exits, and same in C-4 to C-6 (I guess that is a different board ;-)) Anyway, the spine ortho says if the Lordex doesn't work and I don't improve a TON six months down the road, he wants to perform one of these new X-Stop/IPD Interspinous Process Decompression surgeries, where they put this little titanium roller bearing between the spinous processes to make space and take weight off the nerve exits. Sounds spooky to me. Can't imagine skiing or mt. biking afterwards, let alone paddling my whitewater kayak. Of course, if I can't walk due to excessive pain, that would be the tradeoff I'd have to make in having the surgery. Anyway, it sounds like I shouldn't get my hopes up too high for lasting results from the Lordex treatment. Any other ideas? Radical core/back exercise programs that are proven to work? I'd do pretty much anything to avoid the knife. Thanks again.

     
    Old 04-06-2008, 12:00 AM   #13
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    Worried. That is why I went thru that program, in hopes of avoiding surgery. Surgery must be a last resort. But surgery made me TONS better. I am not entirely painfree, but Im close, and that is good enough and acceptable.

    Short of injections and PT and meds, there are not that many non-surgical things to try. No magic cures unfortunately.

    The Xstop is different than the fusion surgery for sure and I think less invasive to the spine than a fusion, and maybe a next step for you. IF surgery is offered to you, make sure whatever procedure your surgeon is doing, he/she has done many of them successfully. Xstop is fairly new and if you are going this route, make sure your surgeon is high on the list of those performing this surgery. Dont ever put yourself in a position that you are anyone's lab rat or gunea pig.

    If the treatment is making you feel worse.. stop it. You dont want it to create nerve issues for you. And the numb foot and such.. that is concerning to me. I had back pain and they flared up my sciatica, but I did not remember getting numb feet from the treatment.

    Please keep us posted.
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    Old 04-06-2008, 04:27 PM   #14
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    Hi Sixty8rs, I had talked to the news paper reporter a few weeks ago and have not seen anything yet. The main reason why I contacted him was that he said he was doing a story on that machine and wanted input from people who had really used it. I wanted to make sure that people do not go into it thinking that it will be the "cure for all" and want people who are living in pain, like us all, to not waste their money on such false hope. I will let you know what I see from the article. Thanks, and I would go for it in contacting someone in your area, it never hurts to get the word out. Take care, Becky

     
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