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    Old 02-07-2010, 02:29 AM   #1
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    ER said probably post concussion syndrome-help me out?

    I was reareneded a month ago. severe whiplash, a week later started to vomit and get even more severe headaches loss of balance at times, and alot of other symptoms. I did not call my dr, and went for my recheck appt 3 weeks later and told him about vomiting and headahces. He wanted to run MRI and other tests.

    I saw neuro 3 weeks ago who said occipital neuralgia and wants to do nerve block and trigger point injections I goto PT 3x a week.

    I vomit one to 3 times a day, think about 4 days in past month I havce not thrown up but still felt severely ill, had bloodwork done which is fine.
    I threw up three times 2 days ago, then yesterday went to ER from a severe headache.
    Had horrendous headache overnight, don't ever sleep much now, and woke with severe headache so I went to ER they did MRI and 2 other tests IDK what ones.

    Discharged with pain med and ER dr said seems like post concussion syndrome. I do not recall hitting my head, but read if the imact is bad enough just the jolt can cause your brain to move in your headand get concussion.

    Has anyoen had concussion without a hit on the head? After the accident the left temple area of my head hurt alot and was sensitive but no bruise or bump.

    Thanks for any info, help or replies.

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    Old 02-07-2010, 09:51 AM   #2
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    Re: ER said probably post concussion syndrome-help me out?

    any level of actual concussion comes down to more of how just the overall 'impact" hits your brain? a concussion is basically when the brain gets slammed kind of in a back and forth way within that skull itself kind of thing? so when you think about the sudden deceleration involved and that it did induce whiplash type of impact(your neck AND your brain where "whipped' back and forth), anything IS just a possible when it comes to how anyones MVA actually will impact the whole entire body actually. so you very much can have a concussion from anything that just impacts hard enough to alow too much slamming up against the inner skull with the brain. it will in most cases, be that very first big slam or hit against that back or the front depending upon whether you were actually hit front or back that really is usually the most significant.

    i am just wondering whether or not you were actually wearing your seatbelt when this occured? i am thinking YES? just based upon no real head/facial trauma? if you were, just about anything 'under' that seatbelted area will also be impacted too(some people can end up with some pretty major bruising from just the decel forces from the seatbelt alone). the vomiting just could be the result of some very direct forces impacted upon that vagus nerve? it does run thru that area and can very easily become damaged or 'stunned'? if you just look up 'vagus nerve vomiting' you will kind of see what i mean? just ONE possible reason for the sudden onset vomiting?

    when you mentioned the MRIs and other testing, was this done only on the brain or did thay actually do the best type of test here for your c spine and should be also used with ANY scan of the brain as well? a 'contrasted" MRI? but done on that very crucial(considering your impact) c spine and into the upper T spine area as well?

    the one really huge thing that you seriously NEED to do here too(and this is much much more crucial than you may think right now) is simply obtain EVERY single testing result copy for your OWN personal medical purposes. and more importantly so YOU can actually read thru them yourself? trust me here when i say that in many cases, espescially with certain specialists or even IN the hospital ER too, you just DO NOT always get told about very real hard findings that are just there upon your films and listed as well inthe MRI reports. i have had this done to me, with very crucial findings about MY c spine never told to me for some sick reason and others who post upon the spinal boards here and other areas have also had this really sick "witholding" done to them too?while there just are many possible reasons that they do this, one biggie here is if even what you feel is a really great type of specialist actually is not fully aware of what certain types of findings actually mean to you? they will not tell you about them when they very easily could be VERY crucial or critical for YOU to just be told? what any real specialist actualy 'knows' is what you will get told, and nothing more? that is why second opinions are just allowed by almost every single ins co? no two specialists working in the very same type of actual speciality with pretty much the same basic training will always BE the same or know as much as another? it comes down more to 'their' overall experience and their true knowledge and understanding of what they actually have "seen" thru their own patients more or less that truely dictates what 'their impressions' of any real solid finding truly means? i had to see three seperarate NSs before i finally found like the only one out of the three who just had the very longterm(37 years as head of neruosuregery at the U of MN) amount of true knowledge and uderstanding of what i had that was actually in my spinal cord that i was born with? still totally freaks me out how three seperate neurosurgeons could be soo very different in what 'they felt' this ment for me? that third opinion ended up requireiong me to have this what was a rare vascular malformation removed from my cord that had already bled(was not told this from the first two NSs that this had EVEN actually bled, at all ever?)twice that if i had left this in there,the next bleed would have actually paralyzed me only becasue the cavernoma was taking up over a third of my cord space at c 8 nerve level? scared the crap outta me let me tell ya. but this IS how extremely different the very same types of specialists just can be.

    and this is the main reason that YOU NEED to start obtaining every single test result you have had done so far so YOU can at least read thru them and look up what actually DID show up that would be listed moreso in that very last part in what is the 'summary' of hard findings? once you have gone thru this stuff it WILL give you a bit more info than you do now,and it will also allow YOU to fomulate some much clearer and better questions about certain findings to any doc who you may see too.

    just knowing what has actually been scanned so far hon would help alot here. and it really does matter whether or not a contrasting agent was actually used too, espescially when looking into the brain itself? have you actually been told ANYTHING at all so far about this condition other than 'post concussion syndrome? it just sounds like a label and a catch all kind of Dx ya know what i mean? and not a real true solid dx of what just IS "triggering" the symptoms for you at all, espescially that insane vomiting? that is just really NOT a 'normal' post concussion type of thing from my very extensive experience with head trauma at all. marcia
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    Old 02-08-2010, 03:03 AM   #3
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    Re: ER said probably post concussion syndrome-help me out?

    Hi thank so mjuch for writing back. I did have my seat belt on and waas stopped and rearended at about 40mph.

    I had a mri on my c spine that showed a bulge at 5-6.

    Then they did mra mri w contrast on brain but IDK the report, the ER gave me a slip that says it was read in emeergency setting that a radiologist will read it in the morning but no ememrgency based problems are there.

    The er dr said its post concussion syndrome and I was discharged with pain meds for my bad headaches if it comes back. I had a HORRID headache that day wass beyond aweful.

    So I will try and get the reports when they come in on my brain. Ugk. After 2 back surgeries I was hoping I was done with all this medical crap. I didnt vomit yesterday which was nice for sure. I had laid around in bed all day and just rested.

    Ok I am off. I will see if I can get ther reports. Thank you!

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    Old 02-22-2010, 01:46 PM   #4
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    Re: ER said probably post concussion syndrome-help me out?

    Hi I was also rear ended.I could feel the pain in my neck immediatly.What position was your head in? I was really nasea for 3-4 days.I had lots of pain in my neck and between my shoulder blades.My neck was stiff and hard as a rock for 3 days. The swelling lasted nearly 4 weeks.I can move my head to the left but not at all to the right.It's stuck it does not move.I am doing chiro physio and massage. I have been off work for 6 weeks now.I cannot drive because i can't move my neck to shoulder check.I did have for 3.5 weeks.My vision was weird, i would turn to look at something and it was like slow motion.It was like your eyes were moving faster then my brain.There's a name for it.Balance sometimes felt like i was going to fall over and dizzy.I still have grey and white spots in my vision.I have to blink alot for it to go away. Sometimes im laying in bed and it seems like my leg(s) moves on it's own.Like a quick jump slightly and then nothing.I get severe headaches on my left side of my temple.It only comes occasionally.A sharp shooting pain for 10-30 seconds.It disappears as fast as it came.I get headaches behind my eyes,forhead,up the back of my head.I wasn't sure what was worse my headaches or my neck.It's definitly the headaches that are worse.I think it's called impatego for the vision problems.Have you had this symtoms right from the beginning or just lately? Yes you can definitly get a concousion without hitting your head.

     
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    Re: ER said probably post concussion syndrome-help me out?

    hey yulane? did they EVER actually do an MRI with a contrasting agent on you from the brain on down thru at least the middle T spine level, just considering your symptoms and the mechanism of injury you went thru? if not you REALLY DO need one now. this would realistically be the only true way of at least getting a good look into the areas that could be affected in your spinal and or brain as well. 'something' is most definitely not 'right' somewhere in those areas i mentioned that needs to be further looked into in a much more in depth way right now just to see what is going on.

    how long ago was your MVA? marcia
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    Old 02-27-2010, 06:04 PM   #6
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    Re: ER said probably post concussion syndrome-help me out?

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    hey yulane? did they EVER actually do an MRI with a contrasting agent on you from the brain on down thru at least the middle T spine level, just considering your symptoms and the mechanism of injury you went thru? if not you REALLY DO need one now. this would realistically be the only true way of at least getting a good look into the areas that could be affected in your spinal and or brain as well. 'something' is most definitely not 'right' somewhere in those areas i mentioned that needs to be further looked into in a much more in depth way right now just to see what is going on.

    how long ago was your MVA? marcia

     
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    Hi Thank you for replying.I have not had anything but an xray on my face and neck.The accident was almost 2 months ago.

     
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    Re: ER said probably post concussion syndrome-help me out?

    honestly, you just really DO NEED that contrasted MRI done on your brain and that c spine area. doing ONLY a mere x ray and not even doing at least a CT after a traumatic MVA was highly negligent on whoever decided this was even a 'good idea"? geez. what you are describing with the vision can be stemming from two other possible places, one would be the cerebellum and the other could be a tract within your spinal cord thats called the spinocerebellar tract? my cerebellar tract was also damaged during my surgery and it has a very direct connection to the cerebellum within the brain? that cerebellum is what governs our proprioperception(gait,walking and how you 'see' your body parts in relation to space?) and vision too among other things. my proprioperception was really hit in my case with my legs. unless you actually get that much more in depth look into the areas of the brain and the c spine with MRI, you just realistically do not really have a clue as to what is actually going on in there at all.

    there are certain things that actually could have already been going on within either area that you simply did not know were even there since they just had not actually 'presented' themselves to you yet with real symptoms that can easily be made worse when you just suffer any level of traumatic types of forces on those already affected areas in some way? or something brand new could have occured in either area just based upon the level of real impact in those areas too. that is really why you just NEED that good look with what would be, espescially within the brain, a good contrasted MRI at this point. 'something' is creating this for you that just really needs to be found out.

    depending upon just what is or is not found after the MRIs would kind of dictate your next steps here really. but one really great type of specialist who deals with vision problems that are from traumatic injuries like spinal or brain is called a "neuro opthamologist". these types of highly trained specialists just really do know alot more about how trauma impacts the brain and vision. this is who i would try and see to either way with the MRI results. it would be an ideal type of specialist for YOUR particular real vision problems. but right now, just work on getting the contrasted MRIs done on that brain and the c spine at the very least here. this really is the only way right now to just actually 'see' whats happened in the areas. and make certain to tell them you want copies of all results for YOU too. i hope they can do this for you since it should have really been done before this actually. please do let me know what you find out,K? marcia
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