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    Old 07-11-2006, 07:31 AM   #1
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    christy217 ( or anyone else WBC count and bruising ?'s)

    I am asking this ofhristy217 becasue of her reply to my other thread ( colonoscopy on the 13th heart palpitations too). But would love any-ones input as well.

    If you dont mind I would like to ask you a few questions. Or make a couple comments and maybe you can help me out as to what they may mean. First thank you to replying to my other thread. I know your not a doctor but I mean just from your knowledge and what you went through.

    My first episode of tachycardia was last November. While in the hospital they ran every test possible and the only thing I ever remember hearing about slightly abnormal blood tests was that my WBC count was slightly elevated like I had a small infection or something. But they told me that could be due to the almost 5 hours of rapid heart rate and that was my body's was of reacting. I thought it sounded strange but I wasn't the expert so what did I know KWIM. I dont think they ever told me I was anemic though. Does WBC count have any significance?

    Do you think it is possible to have low blood levels without ever noticing bleeding? I have always been easy to bruise but it does seem in the past few months I have a lot more unexplained bruises. Right now I have 6 and have no clue where they came from. Once in a while I get really big ones and am like OMG where on earth did that come from.

    Thank you again.

     
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    Old 07-11-2006, 11:10 AM   #2
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    I think it is possible to have low blood levels without every noticing, yes, I do because I had lost all that blood, and I did occassionally see something when I wiped, maybe twice, but I had bouts of terrible constipation in December before I was diagnosed in Feb too, so I thought it was from something like that too. I had a hemocult done, where you smear your stool on the cards and then they test it, out of three of those, only 1 came back positive.

    We looked at my blood work from September 2005 to February 2006, in September my H&H (Hemoglobin and Hemacrit) was borderline normal, so that's when I think I started passing it.

    My WBC were elevated too, initially, they thought I had diverticulitis or some other bowel infection brewing, so they put me on some antibiotics, I would have to look at my chart to see how much they changed-but it's at home. I am at work now. However, if they were elevated only a bit I wouldn't be worried, any little thing could throw your system off by a few numbers or so.
    I will reply to this later as well, but I don't know honestly how much significance WBC could have or not have.

    Right now I am going through chemo, and that lowers your RBC (red blood cells) but I have to say I can always tell when my levels are going to be low before I go in and get them checked, I don't bruise easy or anything like that, nor did I when they were really low, but I get the shortness of breath on excertion or I am a little more tired than usual.

    I don't mind answering questions or giving support, but I just want to say this, although our stories might be similar, I don't want you to automatically jump to conclusions and think you have colon cancer. There are other explainations for things and I am sure if you were anemic they would tell you, because they'd want you to take iron pill form or IV. I just don't want you to worry yourself over something or think the worst right away. I know it's easier said than done, I define myself as a person that hopes for the best, but expects the worse, I consider it realistic, some people think I am pessimistic, but for me, when I do this, it's easier to deal with whatever the unknown may be when it comes. For example, when I found out I was anemic, as bad as I was, and they said that they thought it was either a gi bleed or my cycle causing me this problem, I immediately knew it was cancer, because of my mom's history and the fact that it wasn't related to menstruation. Ironically, in December, I also told my partner, I thought something terrible was going to happen with my health in February, but I thought it was going to be my heart because of the chest pains and SOB I was having. When we finally got the diagnosis from the doctor, it was easier for me to deal with because I expected it, however, my partner burst into tears in the doctors office. She always thinks positive and doesn't think bad things will happen, we're just different that way, which is fine. I just don't want to scare you or cause you any unexpected grief because the bottomline is with the age of the internet and the ability to search that we have, we will self-diagnose all day long, I know I did, and I don't want to fret unneccessarily or even necessarily because the bottomline still is you won't know until you get the colonscopy and talk to your doctor. Please don't take that the wrong way either, I am not trying to be insensitive or mean by saying that. Just everyone is different and what might be cancerous for one, might be just hemorroids or polyps for another. Please do keep us updated on your colonscopy that you're having done later this week though.

    Good luck!

     
    Old 07-11-2006, 01:43 PM   #3
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    Re: christy217 ( or anyone else WBC count and bruising ?'s)

    Thank you for your time. I know the Internet can be our best and worst friend at the same time. Yes I have self diagnosed myself with sooo many thing by now over his whole problem LOL I laugh becasue that is how I am managing to deal. I do in my head understand of all the things this could be the least likely is Cancer. but that Dam C word just pops out in our minds when we hear it. After all we were told sooo many things that my moms cancer could be but in the end it was in fact cancer. She survived Lung Cancer so I do have faith when it comes to Cancer and people beating it. I soo hope that you can get past this hurdle and be well for good. Chemo cant be easy I watched my moms and felt helpless watching her.

    I got some blood results back today which were confusing but not too disturbing at least I dont think. These were taken from my Primary Dr after my episodes of tachycardia to try to find out what was wrong.

    CO2 levels a bit low. What on earth does that mean. Normal is 22-31 mine is 16.

    WBC a bit high but not very high at all I think maybe more like normal. Normal range is 4.3-10.0 mine is 13.3 ( up from 11.6 in November) Still have no clue if that means anything but I doubt it means anything.

    Red Cell distribution borderline high. Normal is 7.0-16.0 and mine is 16.4 ( up from 15.2 in November). I have no clue what this even is LOL.

    Hemocrit and Hemoglobin both in Normal range and either right in the middle of the range or towards the high side. So very normal there.

    Platelet count was 283 down from 311 in November but both WELL within normal.


    I did notice that back in November I had borderline high overall cholesterol and it looked like VERY high triglycerides and high bad cholesterol. But amazingly enough the Dr didnt run these tests after the latest Tachycardia episode. Dun Dr's sometimes. he also never called to tell me my elevated levels of these things after the tests November.
    Seriously I ah a heart episode and the guy ran no tests that had anything to do with my heart this time not even the Troponin that indicated myocardial infarction.

    I dont know why I layed all this out LOL. I am just really into numbers. I suppose I did it so that someone would look and say wow those numbers are wonderful LOL. I had more blood drawn today for the Gastro DR so I will get those in a week or so.

    Your soo wonderful to take the time to help and inform me especially with all that you must be dealing with yourself. I wish you the best.

     
    Old 07-11-2006, 06:56 PM   #4
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    Re: christy217 ( or anyone else WBC count and bruising ?'s)

    No problem, really posting and answering your questions are no biggie, we're all here to help one another out. The folks on this board are absolutely amazing.

    I checked my WBC, they've all been within normal limits before and during my diagnosis, now they are out of wits because of my chemotherapy regimen. The last count was like 37.7.

    My CO2 was off one time when I had an allergic reaction to the chemotherapy, a lot of time when folks aren't getting enough O2 and they hyperventalate I was told this happens, however, when mine was low I wasn't hyperventalating, I did have numbness in my lips and fingers and they said that is a side affect/symptom of it, it cleared itself up though, they were normal last go around.

    It's good to hear your H&H are within normal limits. Sorry to hear about your mom. My father has just had colon surgery and is also dealing with a heart condition of tachycardia, that they have not determined what's what with it yet, but everyone in his family has rapid heart beats, he has beat cancer 5 times now, he's 71, he's had 5 different ones over the past 12 years, he's been very lucky.

    Do keep us informed and let us know how it goes on Thursday.

    Good luck!

    P.S. I am into numbers too, I am so anal that way, but ironically I don't think much of statistics when they give me a 75% chance of survival over the next 5 years, I will beat it and be a 100% IMO everyone is different! People don't die of statistics!

     
    Old 07-11-2006, 07:13 PM   #5
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    I am soo happy to hear you are being soo positive. When my mom was diagnosed with Lung Cancer in March of 2003 I was pregnant with her very first grandchild, my son. When I looked up her type and stage and location she was given a 50% chance of making it till his birth ( due August 24th came on the 28th) which was only 5 months away. Then there was like a 15% chance of her being around 1 year after diagnosis and now we sit 3 years later and she is still Cancer Free!!! I love your attitude because I truly think that a lot of what saved my mom. She was NOT going to allow the Cancer to take her from meeting her grandchildren and now she has 4 ( 2 of which are mine) she vows she will see them go to school play sports be in dance recitals etc. She knows there is that BIG milestone of 5 years of which the computer said 5% chance of making it. She has no doubt she will. keep your positive outlook and that will help your body just as well as any meds. Mom endured chemo radiation and finally surgery. And won the battle. I know it is a different kind of cancer but.... both dont have the best odds according to the Internet but hey what does the Internet know anyway LOL. You will be in my thoughts and I pray you get past all this and can live a Cancer free future!! Thank you for everything. I will certainly come back after I get some sort of results from my test on Thursday. Thank you again. and keep your good attitude it can work miracles.

     
    Old 07-12-2006, 07:34 PM   #6
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    Thank you for your time. I know the Internet can be our best and worst friend at the same time. Yes I have self diagnosed myself with sooo many thing by now over his whole problem LOL I laugh because that is how I am managing to deal. I do in my head understand of all the things this could be the least likely is Cancer. but that Dam C word just pops out in our minds when we hear it. After all we were told sooo many things that my moms cancer could be but in the end it was in fact cancer. She survived Lung Cancer so I do have faith when it comes to Cancer and people beating it. I soo hope that you can get past this hurdle and be well for good. Chemo cant be easy I watched my moms and felt helpless watching her.

    I got some blood results back today which were confusing but not too disturbing at least I dont think. These were taken from my Primary Dr after my episodes of tachycardia to try to find out what was wrong.

    CO2 levels a bit low. What on earth does that mean. Normal is 22-31 mine is 16.

    WBC a bit high but not very high at all I think maybe more like normal. Normal range is 4.3-10.0 mine is 13.3 ( up from 11.6 in November) Still have no clue if that means anything but I doubt it means anything.

    Red Cell distribution borderline high. Normal is 7.0-16.0 and mine is 16.4 ( up from 15.2 in November). I have no clue what this even is LOL.

    Hemocrit and Hemoglobin both in Normal range and either right in the middle of the range or towards the high side. So very normal there.

    Platelet count was 283 down from 311 in November but both WELL within normal.


    I did notice that back in November I had borderline high overall cholesterol and it looked like VERY high triglycerides and high bad cholesterol. But amazingly enough the Dr didnt run these tests after the latest Tachycardia episode. Dun Dr's sometimes. he also never called to tell me my elevated levels of these things after the tests November.
    Seriously I ah a heart episode and the guy ran no tests that had anything to do with my heart this time not even the Troponin that indicated myocardial infarction.

    I dont know why I layed all this out LOL. I am just really into numbers. I suppose I did it so that someone would look and say wow those numbers are wonderful LOL. I had more blood drawn today for the Gastro DR so I will get those in a week or so.

    Your soo wonderful to take the time to help and inform me especially with all that you must be dealing with yourself. I wish you the best.
    Adreanna:
    As Christy said, and I have said in previous messages, PLEASE do not jump to ANY conclusions until you get the results of the colonoscopy. You CAN get through this colonoscopy. Did you speak with your General Practitioner or GI about a "beta-blocker" to help with potential palpitations... or an anti-anxiety drug if you believe that stress causes the irregularities? The worst part is the waiting and the prep. The worst thing you can do is piece meal and try to put together a diagnosis by looking at lab results... which are Definitely out of whack, and could be a cause of concern; at the very least they do justify you getting a colonoscopy. However, try not to worry about it. Christy also said it... with MANY colorectal disorders, lab values can be perfectly normal... mine were and I was diagnosed with Stage 3C rectal cancer at 31. Or, your lab values could be out of whack for other reasons completely unrelated.

    You asked about WBC... White Blood Cell Counts go up when our bodies fight infections or invaders--viral, bacteria, cancer, etc. Your pCO2 level is also high... could be from a number of causes-- if your blood needs to try to adjust being more acidic or basic to counter other causes, it regulates in different ways. Also, I don't remember if you said your age, and whether you smoke... emphysema can cause pCO2 levels to be high. Do you smoke? Or do you have a significant other who smokes where you would be breathing second-hand smoke?

    My point is to tell you that our bodies are VERY complicated, and you have to endure these tests in order to rule out different things that could be problematic. In the mean time, TRY not to worry until you have something to worry about. It could be ANYTHING, or nothing, Our minds, however, have a tendency to wander to the worst. Worrying affects your body in a negative way, too. Basically, you can't win, of course until you know whether there is something wrong and something to fight and "compete" to win!

    I hope my rambling helped in some way. You are in great hands communicating with Christy, but will find we are all like a family on this board, and will chime in and try to help when we can.

    Best of luck and PLEASE stay in touch.
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    Old 07-12-2006, 08:25 PM   #7
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    Thank you sooo much. Both of you are great.

    Cancer dad,

    My Dr has FINALLY prescribed me a beta blocker called atenolol for my palps. I am to take it in the event of tachycardia episodes not everyday. I do have a script for anxiety ( xanax) which unfortunately I have had to use many times in the past few weeks. I only take it when I need it not everyday. I wonder if I need to take it everyday ?

    Im not a smoker but I do work in a casino here in Vegas so I am exposed to second hand smoke for 7-8 hours 4-5 days a week. I am 33 years old and have never myself smoked.

    Tomorrow is the colonoscopy. Today is my prep. This time I am doing the 28 pill type I take my last dose in 15 minutes. Oh this stuff isnt too great either but at least it isnt that nasty colyte crap I took last week when I was cancelled. I am quite pale and sick to my stomach but so far no vomiting. Hopefully I can get to bed within the next 3 hours and get some sleep. I do also plan on taking a xanax first thing in the morning to help curb any anxiety I may have before the procedure I do nto want to get cancelled again due to a heart episode.

    I am going to say something quite odd and please dont take it the wrong way. You guys have been soo kind and informative and supportive this week that I will feel a bit guilty when ( Im being positive) my tests come back perfect. You have been through soo much and been soo kind to me I wonder what I have to offer back? I know I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers. It amazes me the kind words you all have offered a "visitor" with soo may questions and worries and you have your own worries going on. Thank you.
    And if any one needs inspiration my moms story is a good one. It isnt a Colon cancer survival story but she did survive Lung cancer that started out as definitely inoperable and with only 50% 3 month survival and 5% 5 year survival she is at over 3 years now and well on her way!!!. I will share her story any chance I get.


    No matter what I will post back with my results when I can.

     
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