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    Old 10-19-2012, 08:20 AM   #31
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    RJV,

    I like that you can keep your sense of hummer during this stressful time, (and I agree with Groucho)!

    I watched the video – and if it’s the same one you’re talking about, I also noticed the words at the top of the paper…”Intensive lifestyle changes MAY affect…”

    I agree that these lifestyle changes are important; in my own life I have made major changes (No red meat, only soy milk, more veggies, etc.). I began a solid exercise program and have managed to lose 15-20 lbs over the last year. So I agree that it is an important part of a total plan.

    I also considered your question of if I know someone who tried a natural route in cancer treatment and my answer is not personally. My son had cancer at 19. After consulting a couple specialists in a very short time period, we immediately started recommended treatment and thankfully he seems to be fully cured (he’s now 44). In my 72 years I have know of probably 40 to 50 cancer stricken family members and friends (including 5 with prostate cancer) and none of them ever considered going any other way than immediate treatment recommended by their doctors. Even considering the fact that most of them are old, about 90% of them (including the 5 prostate guys) are all very much alive!

    One of the benefits of these forums is the opportunity to not only learn more facts, but also different ways of thinking about a subject. Personally I continue to learn from Allen, the guy just has a way of concisely expressing his (considerable) knowledge that makes it accessible to me. I thought his way of thinking about a 500 man clinical trial as 400 anecdotes is especially powerful.
    I’d recommend that you read all of his answers to your points - multiple times.

    If you’re tracking votes, please count my vote as strongly agreeing with all of Allen’s thoughts, particularly the last one, hoping you stay on course to a cure.

     
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    Old 10-21-2012, 12:14 PM   #32
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    I’d like to thank all of you who are taking the time and putting forth the effort to answer my concerns. Your words are not falling on deaf ears and I am leaning now more toward complimentary natural treatments to support the conventional treatments.

    As for scientific proof, I still have my doubts about putting my trust in clinical studies and the Government agencies that are supposed to protect the public. Look at the studies and Government endorsements of cigarette smoking and using leaded gasoline that were presented to the public as gospel.

    The dangers of leaded gas were known as early as 1924. It was finally phased out in 1986. Cancer was linked to cigarettes as early as 1929, yet we are still able to buy smokes at the local convenience store. Both had numerous studies showing that there was no link to cancer and were supported by the Government in power at the time.

    @Allen: A couple of questions: Did your friend Tom do anything to change his lifestyle after he had his first treatment? I asked this because when, after being diagnosed, I asked my urologist if I should change my diet. The answer was that my diet probably didn’t cause my cancer so no changes were necessary.

    Secondly I checked the clinical trials site and could find no studies on Hoxsey, or Gerson and only one on Essiac that was incomplete. Does this mean there were none?

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    Once it leaves the local area (where it can be cured with hormones+radiation) there is no hope of curing it.
    You wouldn’t be preying on the fears of a cancer victim would you?

    Again you follow the money. Proton beam is being hyped for Prostate treatment because the insurance companies will pay for it. There are several other cancers where proton beam should be used but the insurance companies are denying coverage. Those machines are expensive and have to be paid for.

    Again I thank you Gentlemen for responding. I really do appreciate the feedback and the different opinions. Trying to keep an unbiased and open mind. It’s really tough on an old guy.

    I find that as I getting older that my narrow waist and broad mind have changed places.

    RJV

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    @Allen: A couple of questions: Did your friend Tom do anything to change his lifestyle after he had his first treatment? I asked this because when, after being diagnosed, I asked my urologist if I should change my diet. The answer was that my diet probably didn’t cause my cancer so no changes were necessary.
    Yes. Tom was overweight. He went on a Mediterranean-style diet with plenty of fish and highly colored fruits and vegetables, broccoli, low dairy, no red meat and lost about 30 lbs on it. He worked with a dietician at USC. He also drank pomegranate juice everyday.

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    Secondly I checked the clinical trials site and could find no studies on Hoxsey, or Gerson and only one on Essiac that was incomplete. Does this mean there were none?
    No -- as you look at their specific dietary protocols you may find that they resemble one or the other of those in content, if not in name. That site doesn't list all completed studies. For that you'd have to look at the pubmed site for the last 15 or so years. Prior to that, you have to go to a medical library. I think there has sometimes been a, perhaps subconscious, bias on the part of scientists and the peer-reviewed journals, to not publish their negative findings (e.g., a certain dietary regimen had no effect). I think it's been changing.

    The National Cancer Institute is sponsoring a very large clinical trial at 120 locations across the US to see whether a diet high in vegetables reinforced with frequent phone calls and newsletters to encourage and monitor adherence can prolong the time men can stay on Active Surveillance. The diet consists of 7 servings per day of vegetables (2 cruciferous, 2 tomato products, 3 other vegetables), 2 servings per day of whole grains, 1 serving per day of beans or other legumes, and 2 servings per day of fruit. I don't know whether this resembles any of the diets you are interested in.

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    Once it leaves the local area (where it can be cured with hormones+radiation) there is no hope of curing it.
    You wouldn’t be preying on the fears of a cancer victim would you?
    I am not trying to sell anything. That's just the sad state of the science as it stands today. I have every hope it will change in the future, and judging by the large amount of medical capital invested in PC, it is a legitimate hope.

    I'm glad to hear you've decided to take a complementary approach.

    - Allen

     
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