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    Old 03-09-2008, 09:05 AM   #1
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    I've read some of the posts on here and wonder if anyone has any ideas on my problems. I must have some of the worst ever teeth-or maybe worst dentists. I have had problems for many years-am now in my 50's but the last 3 years have been horrendous. Most of the teeth on the left hand side-both upper and lower have been aching non stop for about those 3 years-and two dentists said I needed all root canals, but no way could I afford them, so I had 3 bottom ones taken out, one after another, but the pain seems to go to the next one etc. The upper ones are the same-and no one can find anything wrong at all. The dentist has taken ex rays and looked and put some very cold stuff on them and said that the roots were still 'live' and there was nothing wrong with them but they all had large fillings. He tried some
    'bonding' stuff on some, but it did nothing so finally he referred me to the hospital to see a 'specialist'. After 3 visits to him, it's turned out to be a big waste of time, as he has no idea either! Everything he suggests I already do. I was told years ago I had TMJD but this guy said he didn't think I had it in the jaw, and no idea what it was. I was feeling like he didn't believe there was anything wrong. I already have a mainly soft diet, floss, brush twice a day, etc, etc-nothing helps. And as far as I know, I don't have anything wrong with my sinus's either. Any ideas?

     
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    Old 03-18-2008, 10:12 AM   #2
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    I've read some of the posts on here and wonder if anyone has any ideas on my problems. I must have some of the worst ever teeth-or maybe worst dentists. I have had problems for many years-am now in my 50's but the last 3 years have been horrendous. Most of the teeth on the left hand side-both upper and lower have been aching non stop for about those 3 years-and two dentists said I needed all root canals, but no way could I afford them, so I had 3 bottom ones taken out, one after another, but the pain seems to go to the next one etc. The upper ones are the same-and no one can find anything wrong at all. The dentist has taken ex rays and looked and put some very cold stuff on them and said that the roots were still 'live' and there was nothing wrong with them but they all had large fillings. He tried some
    'bonding' stuff on some, but it did nothing so finally he referred me to the hospital to see a 'specialist'. After 3 visits to him, it's turned out to be a big waste of time, as he has no idea either! Everything he suggests I already do. I was told years ago I had TMJD but this guy said he didn't think I had it in the jaw, and no idea what it was. I was feeling like he didn't believe there was anything wrong. I already have a mainly soft diet, floss, brush twice a day, etc, etc-nothing helps. And as far as I know, I don't have anything wrong with my sinus's either. Any ideas?
    TMJD is a horrible disorder due to the pain it causes and the ability to appear like other serious problems. What you describe sounds like TMJD. As many specialists as there are, all dealing with TMJD seem to be only theoretical. If you strongly believe you have TMJD (and I think it sounds like you do, but I am no dentist), it's important to get a splint (a tough plastic, comfortable mouth guard worn at night) to prevent further wear on your teeth.

    TMJD shows itself in many ways. I have no sinus pain, but the sides of my head near my ears is constantly in pain due to my bruxism (tooth grinding) and there's a horrific crackling sound when I open my mouth a certain way. My wife clenches, so has no crackly bits near her ears, but her jaw hurts some mornings.

    Unfortunately, even with a mouth guard, the pain will continue (though your teeth will be FAR less damaged). The pain may lessen, but then again it also may not. TMJD is highly misunderstood due to its variable nature. There is no "cure," despite many products claiming to be just that.

    I would recommend finding a new dentist, one who listens, and asking if your teeth show signs of grinding. If so, get a splint as soon as possible.

     
    Old 03-29-2008, 08:56 AM   #3
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    Thanks tmjhater for your post.
    The specialist I saw said it wasn't TMJD as there was no crackling when I opened my mouth-although my neck cracks all the time. I had 3 bottom teeth taken out which didn't help, but the dentist made me false ones to put there-which again, doesn't help. I go to see him again in 3 weeks, but I doubt he'll have any ideas- I don't grind my teeth, but I will ask about an upper splint-I'll try anything that may help.
    I've also seen an osteopath who says it 'is' TMJD and my jaw is really 'tense' most of the time-although I don't notice it. Hopefully, a splint will help-thanks.

     
    Old 03-29-2008, 09:35 PM   #4
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    Hi, Sue. I just read your post: you are NOT alone. I too suffered for years with my teeth. Every time I'd have a dental procedure done (like a crown or root canal) I had pain that went on and on; and not one time did I get a satisfactory answer as to why this was happening to me, from the dentists I saw. They look at the x-rays and always say "things look fine on x-ray". I suffered for about 4 years after having my last root canal: then it actually got better and better: now I feel pain only occasionally. I haven't had bad dental pain in quite a while now. I also have many teeth with deep fillings. I remember going back againa nd again to my dentist, and even specialists, only to be told nothing was wrong. It was a really low time in my life; let me tell you. Why does this happen? I have no idea. I think it was nerve damage; and after years it managed to heal, so I can't feel the pain now. I am sure there are other people out there experiencing pain in their teeth; only to be told there is "nothing" wrong. I hope you'll get relief from the pain eventually, too....Debbie

     
    Old 04-02-2008, 07:56 AM   #5
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    Thanks Loud,
    I hope I get relief from the ongoing pain as well-soon, it's enough to drive you 'up the wall' sometimes. Maybe it is nerve damage after many trips to the dentist-who knows? Maybe if I finally get to see a neurologist-but I'm not holding my breath they'll find anything either.

     
    Old 04-02-2008, 08:09 AM   #6
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    sue, do your teeth ache all the time or mostly when you bite or chew on something? Does it hurt your teeth when you drink something hot or cold?

     
    Old 04-19-2008, 08:12 AM   #7
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    Charlotte,
    My teeth ache nearly continually now and after seeing the dentist again yesterday, am still no farther forward as he still has no idea. They can hurt more after 'certain' foods chewed on that side, like bananas and apples-but I assumed that was because they were maybe colder. The dentist tested them with that cold stuff and according to him they're still 'alive' and he will not remove them as he can not guarantee the problem will stop.
    I am hoping to see the doctor next week and maybe she will refer me to a neurologist as the dentist recommended a while ago-why does everything take so long on the NHS?

     
    Old 04-20-2008, 05:23 AM   #8
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    Re: continual aching teeth

    Lots of things can make your teeth continually ache - sinus pressure, TMJ, tight facial, neck and shoulder muscles from stress, etc. I agree with the dentist - do not remove good teeth. That will cause other problems most especially TMJ. Having gone through years of dental work and a horrific past year with teeth I can assure you that I do understand the pain and the frustation.

    One thing to remember is that a tooth that has a problem, such as infection, will not just ache but have severe pain and sometimes throbbing. It is a pain that you rush to the dentist to get relief for! Aching teeth, especially if it is a lot of them, usually does not signal that one tooth has a problem. There can be nerve damage that requires time to heal, but usually will heal. Nerve damage usually causes shooting pain as pain travels along the route of the nerve.

    Sometimes home remedies work well and help to ease the aching. You can try warm or cold compresses on your face where it is aching. I prefer cold - seems to block the aching or pain better, but use what works best for you. TMJ specialists say to keep the tongue at the top of the mouth behind the front teeth - resting comfortably AND keep your teeth apart. Their standard phrase is - mouth closed, teeth apart. Continually remind yourself to relax your face. When something aches we tend to tighten against the pain, but this is the wrong thing to do. Tell yourself to relax, let your muscles go. It is amazing how you will notice the relief of tension in your jaw and therefor teeth, but it may be necessary to do this quite often throughout the day. And it is very possible that you are clenching without even realizing it. Most people carry tension somewhere in their body and many of us carry it in our jaws and face. It becomes a cycle - I wouldn't be tense if my teeth didn't hurt, but my tension is making my teeth hurt!!

    Go gently with your mouth - eat soft for awhile, don't brush too hard, don't lean on your face while at the computer, find times to lie still and let everything relax, and try not to focus too much on it - distract yourself by doing things you enjoy doing.

    I know these all sound very simplistic, but sometimes things just need to calm down before they can begin to feel better. Just like any other problem, time and some TLC can make you feel better.

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    Old 04-20-2008, 05:41 AM   #9
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    Thanks for your reply, sue..the reason I asked that question is that I'm also starting to have toothaches in almost all of my lower left teeth (molars) and one or two of the opposing upper ones..sigh. My numbness from a nerve injury in January is starting to go away now...and has been replaced with aching teeth. I'm hoping this is just a symptom of the nerve injury but I have sort of resigned myself to the fact that I'm going to have to make a decision in the near future as to what to do with my teeth.

    I'm 55 and I had very little problem with my teeth for years until my wisdom tooth surgery. My mouth is filled with silver from 'the good old days' but those fillings have sure lasted well and sometimes I really miss my old dentist. I imagine he's retired now...he was a 'mumbler'...couldn't understand a word he said but boy, he did good dental work

    I think the numbness has affected/changed my bite...I can't seem to find a comfortable way to close my teeth now...and the left side of my jaw seems way out of whack and 'heads to the east' so to speak while the upper jaw stays put..lol. I have started massage therapy for my jaw joint that still won't open fully. I guess it's possible that I might have TMD also...geez. I really understand your frustration.

    Do you know if your gums are in good shape? I think mine are except for some receding... another thing I'd like to get checked out is how much bone loss I have. Who would I go to for that? My family doctor?

    Like you, I have no idea what specialist to go to first...someone recommended that I see a prothosdontist *sp?*. I really don't have the energy or even the courage to attempt root canals or bridges, etc...this nerve injury kind of sapped and continues to sap most of my energy. My insurance runs out in three months so I have to start planning something.

     
    Old 04-20-2008, 10:54 AM   #10
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    Lots of things can make your teeth continually ache - sinus pressure, TMJ, tight facial, neck and shoulder muscles from stress, etc. I agree with the dentist - do not remove good teeth. That will cause other problems most especially TMJ. Having gone through years of dental work and a horrific past year with teeth I can assure you that I do understand the pain and the frustation.

    One thing to remember is that a tooth that has a problem, such as infection, will not just ache but have severe pain and sometimes throbbing. It is a pain that you rush to the dentist to get relief for! Aching teeth, especially if it is a lot of them, usually does not signal that one tooth has a problem. There can be nerve damage that requires time to heal, but usually will heal. Nerve damage usually causes shooting pain as pain travels along the route of the nerve.

    Sometimes home remedies work well and help to ease the aching. You can try warm or cold compresses on your face where it is aching. I prefer cold - seems to block the aching or pain better, but use what works best for you. TMJ specialists say to keep the tongue at the top of the mouth behind the front teeth - resting comfortably AND keep your teeth apart. Their standard phrase is - mouth closed, teeth apart. Continually remind yourself to relax your face. When something aches we tend to tighten against the pain, but this is the wrong thing to do. Tell yourself to relax, let your muscles go. It is amazing how you will notice the relief of tension in your jaw and therefor teeth, but it may be necessary to do this quite often throughout the day. And it is very possible that you are clenching without even realizing it. Most people carry tension somewhere in their body and many of us carry it in our jaws and face. It becomes a cycle - I wouldn't be tense if my teeth didn't hurt, but my tension is making my teeth hurt!!

    Go gently with your mouth - eat soft for awhile, don't brush too hard, don't lean on your face while at the computer, find times to lie still and let everything relax, and try not to focus too much on it - distract yourself by doing things you enjoy doing.

    I know these all sound very simplistic, but sometimes things just need to calm down before they can begin to feel better. Just like any other problem, time and some TLC can make you feel better.

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    What a great post, glowing...thank you SO much. I didn't know about the tongue behind the teeth part and that the teeth should be apart! All these weeks I've been trying to keep my bottom molars on both sides touching! I am doing what you suggested and already feel relief!

     
    Old 04-20-2008, 12:47 PM   #11
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    I am so glad you are feeling better and so glad a few of my suggestions helped. Trying to keep those molars together all the time will surely put stress not only on your teeth but your facial muscles and joints as well. The relaxing of your mouth sounds like it is helping. Don't get discouraged for it takes some time, but I am so glad you are feeling some relief. Great!

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    Old 04-26-2008, 09:54 AM   #12
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    Hi,
    I don't really have anything much to add in terms of what you can do...glowing4 has given a very detailed list...do try to do what she says..it really helps...but just wanted to let you know that you are not alone..I am in the same boat.
    I've been having these problems ever since I first went to the dentist..I had no pain when I went..but had lots of cavities filled, 3 root canals..etc..and now I am in constant pain..its always one tooth or another..I have made endless trips to the dentist..he has been very patient with me..but I feel he thinks I am a little mad or something because everything looks good on X-ray.
    My family is also fed up of me complaining...I think I've become depressed as a result of this and some other issues in my life..and have lost my ability to smile..
    But I am trying hard to train my mind to not focus on the pain and do other things that make me happy..the pain is not really bad or anything..but it still mananges to make me so frustrated and depressed - I don't feel like doing anything..
    Hang in there..things will get better.

     
    Old 05-03-2008, 08:28 AM   #13
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    Thanks for your reply, sue..the reason I asked that question is that I'm also starting to have toothaches in almost all of my lower left teeth (molars) and one or two of the opposing upper ones..sigh. My numbness from a nerve injury in January is starting to go away now...and has been replaced with aching teeth. I'm hoping this is just a symptom of the nerve injury but I have sort of resigned myself to the fact that I'm going to have to make a decision in the near future as to what to do with my teeth.

    I'm 55 and I had very little problem with my teeth for years until my wisdom tooth surgery. My mouth is filled with silver from 'the good old days' but those fillings have sure lasted well and sometimes I really miss my old dentist. I imagine he's retired now...he was a 'mumbler'...couldn't understand a word he said but boy, he did good dental work

    I think the numbness has affected/changed my bite...I can't seem to find a comfortable way to close my teeth now...and the left side of my jaw seems way out of whack and 'heads to the east' so to speak while the upper jaw stays put..lol. I have started massage therapy for my jaw joint that still won't open fully. I guess it's possible that I might have TMD also...geez. I really understand your frustration.

    Do you know if your gums are in good shape? I think mine are except for some receding... another thing I'd like to get checked out is how much bone loss I have. Who would I go to for that? My family doctor?

    Like you, I have no idea what specialist to go to first...someone recommended that I see a prothosdontist *sp?*. I really don't have the energy or even the courage to attempt root canals or bridges, etc...this nerve injury kind of sapped and continues to sap most of my energy. My insurance runs out in three months so I have to start planning something.
    Haven't been able to get on here for a while-back ache as well I'm trying to get sorted. However, I finally have an appointment with a neurologist in June, after the doctor practically told me I was 'wasting time' trying to see one. I'll let you know if they find anything. I was told I had receding gums and to brush with a fluoride paste and also to rub it into the gums afterwards and leave it there. In 6 months it has done nothing to help the aching. Sometimes I feel I'm going 'nuts' and my family must think I am as well.

     
    Old 05-17-2008, 01:17 AM   #14
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    Thanks for your reply, sue..the reason I asked that question is that I'm also starting to have toothaches in almost all of my lower left teeth (molars) and one or two of the opposing upper ones..sigh. My numbness from a nerve injury in January is starting to go away now...and has been replaced with aching teeth. I'm hoping this is just a symptom of the nerve injury but I have sort of resigned myself to the fact that I'm going to have to make a decision in the near future as to what to do with my teeth.

    I'm 55 and I had very little problem with my teeth for years until my wisdom tooth surgery. My mouth is filled with silver from 'the good old days' but those fillings have sure lasted well and sometimes I really miss my old dentist. I imagine he's retired now...he was a 'mumbler'...couldn't understand a word he said but boy, he did good dental work

    I think the numbness has affected/changed my bite...I can't seem to find a comfortable way to close my teeth now...and the left side of my jaw seems way out of whack and 'heads to the east' so to speak while the upper jaw stays put..lol. I have started massage therapy for my jaw joint that still won't open fully. I guess it's possible that I might have TMD also...geez. I really understand your frustration.

    Do you know if your gums are in good shape? I think mine are except for some receding... another thing I'd like to get checked out is how much bone loss I have. Who would I go to for that? My family doctor?

    Like you, I have no idea what specialist to go to first...someone recommended that I see a prothosdontist *sp?*. I really don't have the energy or even the courage to attempt root canals or bridges, etc...this nerve injury kind of sapped and continues to sap most of my energy. My insurance runs out in three months so I have to start planning something.

    Charlotte,
    Even though I regularly saw a dentist over the years-I have awful teeth and have suffered toothache in one place or other for many years. About 3-4 years ago the pain started on bottom lower left and I finally found a dentist to extract 3 of them-but the ache just seemed to move along from tooth to tooth, and they all had large, old amalgam fillings in. Then he wouldn't take any more out and sent me to a specialist, but all he was interested in was getting me to have implants-which cost a fortune. So, I put up with all the aching for some time until it all got worse again and had migrated to the upper jaw as well-all on the left side.

    I'm coming up to 58 but have had teeth trouble for a long time and don't expect anything much now-I saw the dentist again yesterday and he has no idea what is going on as he tried the 'cold' stuff on the tooth and I finally felt it and so he said the tooth was still 'alive' so he won't do anything with it, like take it out or root canal.

    Bone loss? I don't know about that, but maybe start with the family doctor or dentist and see what they recommend. Do you do the TMJD jaw open/close exercises? If you stand in front of a mirror and gently open your mouth to where it's comfortable-don't force it to open further, count to 5, and then close it, but make sure in the mirror that it's closing in a straight line and not veering off anywhere as it may make it worse. I didn't for mine for a day or so and my jaw really got painful and tight. I also use a cream to rub into the jaw joint-like Aspercreme or similar and it seems to help. Also, a hot moist flannel held on the joint helps as well. I've also been told I have receding gums which don;t help matters at all, but I use a fluoride toothpaste still to rub in, and hope it will work eventually.

    I wish I could be more help, but I do hope we all get some relief soon.

     
    Old 06-04-2008, 08:20 AM   #15
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    Latest update on the aching-I've now seen a neurologist-and while he was a nice enough guy and tested to check if my nerves were ok, by hitting points on my arms and legs and testing the soles of my feet. He didn't seem to think it was anything neurological! He also told me to throw away the tablets the doctor told me to take "as they won't do you any good". He sent me for a blood test for auto immune disorders and sjogrens (not sure on spelling) syndrome-which I don't know much about yet-as I have a sore mouth/tongue etc as well and he says it can also cause toothache. Maybe something will show up they can do something about, I just want this endless toothache to stop. I did ask him "if I had the worse teeth taken out would it stop the aching"? And he said "NO"-I could have cried. So, things are sort of progressing slowly.

     
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