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    Old 04-01-2010, 02:07 AM   #1
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    Dental pain mystery for over 6 months now

    I have had constant pain in my left molar #12 for over 6 months. There is an old root canal in that tooth (probably 10 yrs old). If there's no nerve, should be no pain, right? But it's killing me. I can't chew on that side, can't sleep, can't even rest my chin on my hand. I have already seen 5 drs. and ruled out sinus infection, trigeminal neuralgia, TMJ and numerous other things. Dentist and Edno keep saying Xray doesn't show anything but clearly there is a problem there. There is no medication that helps, I've tried everything.

    How do they detect jaw bone infection, is there a crack somewhere, something seeping in between the crown and gumline, etc... or figure out what the heck is wrong with me? Am I going to the wrong kind of Dr? Should I see an oral surgeon?

    Meanwhile, in the middle of this, I did end up getting a brand new root canal in #13, which healed fine, but a month later while that one feels ok, the old #12 is still killing me. Feels like someone punched me in the face there, or is pressing on the molar from underneath, with the pressure of a vice grip, if that makes any sense. Yes, tapping hurts and cold hurts; warm liquid is no problem. Pain is constant 24x7.
    Hoping this sounds familiar to someone- please offer comments and advice! My heart goes out to anyone on this board suffering dental pain - it is the worst.

     
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    Old 04-01-2010, 11:09 AM   #2
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    Re: Dental pain mystery for over 6 months now

    See an oral surgeon , they can check the tooth and the jaw bone under it .

     
    Old 04-02-2010, 04:30 AM   #3
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    Re: Dental pain mystery for over 6 months now

    Hi,
    I know this seems simplistic, but get some Sensadyne toothpaste and rub it on your gums up to 10x a day.

    I had unrelenting pain in my lower left jaw and had three drs check it out to no avail. There was nothing wrong, except I was in alot of pain.
    Only thing that helped me at the time was heavy doses of ibuprofen and an ice pack.

    Then I started to use the Sensadyne toothpaste. It was slow going, but it started to work. Now, I have no pain at all. My dentist thinks it just helped to quiet down an irritated nerve from clenching my teeth at night.

    I know this may not help you at all, but it's a very cheap fix if it does.

    Hope it helps you as much as it did me!
    My best to you,
    Gellia

     
    Old 04-03-2010, 05:58 AM   #4
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    Re: Dental pain mystery for over 6 months now

    Gellia,
    Thank you for that tip, how bizarre. Did you rinse the Sensodyne out after rubbing into your gums or leave it in there all day? My gums aren't sore, just that one tooth... I hope not to learn it is an infection of the bone or something.

    I don't have TMJ and am not a teeth clencher, that I know of, in fact my mouth drops open wide if I'm sleeping on my back (which is a good look haha).

    It is a constant, steady pain as if there's are pliers pulling on it; right where the old root canal is, (and if someone goes to kiss me on the cheek - OW!!!). Sometimes ALL of the left side teeth ache to the front, and face hurts if pressed on near up that side of the nose. I've had a problem with the tongue hurting too, but that seems to be getting better, just the tooth isn't.

    Thanks to all who might have advice.

     
    Old 04-03-2010, 04:23 PM   #5
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    Re: Dental pain mystery for over 6 months now

    Hi again,
    Mine was the oddest pain. It didn't bother when I was sleep. That can indicate that the pain is nerve oriented. I did clench when I slept though. At that time I had had some major dental work down and was using a metal partial. I clenched on it like a pit bull.

    What I think I did was irritate the periodontal ligament. The pain ranged from some days where the ice pack was only needed three or four times, to days where even the side of my neck would swell up and I would curl up in bed in a real "dental agony" ball. My ice pack became my best friend and I would dream about ripping my tooth out of my mouth!

    Then I started to brush with the Sensadyne. I would brush, rinse, and then brush again, spit it out and leave the rest. I had a tube in my desk drawer and would rub a small amount right onto the tooth and gums off and on all day.

    I was really lucky that I had some relief within a day or so. The pain sort of melted away. Suddenly eye didn't feel like it was drooping and the side of my nose no longer hurt. Then it started to go away from my ear area followed by down the jaw area and within about 10 days I was no longer taking massive doses of ibuprofen and the ice pack stayed in the freezer except when I might feel a "twinge".

    I still feel the "twinge" every once in a while. I do continue to use the toothpaste (actually, I use Colgate for sensitive teeth - I like the taste better and it's the same ingredients - cheaper, too!).

    I would have done anything to stop that pain. Who knew toothpaste and 10 days would do it?? Had I known, I wouldn't have suffered so badly for nearly a year!

    I really hope this helps you. I'm not sure why it helped me except that I think the ligament in my tooth was irritating the mandibular nerve and I just needed to calm it down. The toothpaste worked for me.

    Good luck! May you soon be pain free!!
    Gellia

     
    Old 04-08-2010, 10:42 AM   #6
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    Re: Dental pain mystery for over 6 months now

    Here's what happened when I saw new dentist at local university- he's guessing - several potential problems going on under the crown from my 10-yr old root canal, but he can't say what it is exactly until he removes the crown and pokes around. BUT I have to wait 3 weeks for him to remove the crown and look at me!
    Possibilties: canal was left empty that should have been filled with the post which holds the crown, and could be infected. He did not Rx antibiotics though. The pain feels deep, and there could be bone infection. Or, a missed root in original root canal but they don't think so. They don't think it's a crack, either. Basically waited months to come away again with no info.

    Meanwhile I am in agony. Sensodyne did not seem to help at all
    Advil/Tylenol are useless. I haven't had a full night's sleep in months and can't chew anything solid....don't even want to eat any more, it's too painful.

    Since I also have lingual nerve damage from a novocaine injection, I also have terrible burning pain on tongue and facial pain too.
    So, once I get my answer in 3 weeks, he'll have to fit me for a temp crown, schedule to either retreat the root canal, or remove the tooth entirely and replace with implant or bridge. Who knows how many more weeks to do all that? This has gone on 7 months already.

    Any help or advice?

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    Old 04-08-2010, 12:16 PM   #7
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    Re: Dental pain mystery for over 6 months now

    Hi,
    I am SO sorry the toothpaste didn't help. Darn it! Only other thing I can suggest is an ice pack. I have nerve inflammation and it is the only thing that quiets it down when I have a flare up. Best I've found is simply white rice in a thin sock and then frozen. It can conform to your face with just the right temp and not get you all wet.
    If you can take ibuprofen, take a RX dose of 800mg. You can take up to 3200mg a day. It's an anti-inflammatory whereas the others just deal mostly with pain. Ibuprofen can do both. Reduce dosage within three days.
    That is what I was advised to do with my facial nerve pain. It always felt like it was one tooth but there was nothing wrong with it.

    Here's hoping you can get some relief very soon!
    Best to you and let me know how you do.
    Gellia

    P.S. Wish the toothpaste had helped? I'd keep using it though. It won't hurt and can help keep any other nerves in your teeth a bit quieter so they don't start up with sympathy pain.

     
    Old 04-08-2010, 12:48 PM   #8
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    Hi Susgra,
    This might not pertain to your problem or it just might. I had the same problem you are having for months,did the same things as you,one dentist after another with no help. I reached the point that I just didn't care anymore,I was just tired of the pain, so I went to an Oral Surgeon and told him just pull the tooth,he was reluctant but after I insisted,he pulled it. Best move I ever made! When he saw the tooth,he was amazed. The root was fractured and there was abcess all around it (nothing showed on Xray) He said he was surprised I had stood it that long. That pain was gone within a week, Now,as I said,this might not be your problem and I would never suggest getting a tooth extracted but sometimes things get to be too much.
    Hope you get relief soon and really don't need to take the drastic road I took.
    Feel better,
    Zimm

     
    Old 04-11-2010, 08:17 AM   #9
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    Re: Dental pain mystery for over 6 months now

    This is all to familiar. I too posted similar symptoms. I can certainly sympathize with you. Mine started a year and half ago when I had a crown put on. Now a root canal, a redo and a root canal in the tooth next to it has led to nothing except the same old thing. My endodonist suggested I go to a neurologist to see if it is fibromyalgia causing the tooth to hurt. I don't think that is the cause, because it hurts 24/7. Although it is sometimes worse than others, and the fact that I had already gone to a nuerologist was put on a med to see if that would calm the nerve down and it didn't. I will be anxious to hear what you learn. Good luck to you.

     
    Old 04-17-2010, 02:12 PM   #10
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    Re: Dental pain mystery for over 6 months now

    I also have a few root canals that still hurt and I the professionals don't think that could be possible. I know that from all the stress from all the bad dental work, that I clench my teeth to the extreme at night and since my bite has been changed so much no guard feels right. But if you can get a good guard made to keep pressure off of those teeth.

     
    Old 04-18-2010, 07:49 PM   #11
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    Re: Dental pain mystery for over 6 months now

    Thanks everyone for sharing your stories. Unfortunately way too many of us suffering mysterious ailments...
    blkesler- I've was told fibro too which is just so wrong- it's amazing how they just throw darts at a wall in attempt to diagnose people. Neuros have tried me on all kinds of things, latest is Lyrica - OMG- that's a story for another day!
    Zimm - that is crazy! I can't believe they saw nothing in x-ray but it just goes to show you, you have to go with your gut and sometimes we need to tell the Doctors what to do, not the reverse.
    Gellia - ice pack does help a bit, thanks - also, sleeping upright as much as possible. BTW I always use Sensodyne anyway, or Biotene.

    So, last week I went to another dentist who ended up re-treating the 10-yr old root canal and, after much probing and excavating, said he did find an additional small canal in there that was never treated originally. (I guess I believe him -honestly how the heck do we know? We just have to believe what they tell us.)
    That was 6 days ago, so I'm still sore, as it was a molar and although my previous root canals felt better in about 2 days, this one's lasting longer; pain radiates to all of my teeth and still getting headaches. Small, regular doses of Vicodin are the only thing that get me through the day. I've also now been put on Mobic, an anti-inflamatory, as well as Amoxocyllin. With this cocktail of meds I hope to be cured soon.

    Now what worries me is that I still have to get crowns for both of these root canals, which could start a whole 'nother spiral of pain, but let's hope this dentist is a good one and all will go smoothly...

     
    Old 06-01-2010, 04:58 AM   #12
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    Re: Dental pain mystery for over 6 months now

    I'm back to report an update.
    Since getting the 2nd root canal (right next to the first), back in March, I still have lingering pain, though it is lessening as time passes. I have been too chicken to go back in for more treatment. I even still have one root canal that has the temp stuff in it, needs to be replaced with gucha percha, then off to find some other dentist to do two crowns.

    It's hard to say how much of this continuing pain is from my lingual nerve injury, from an injection of novocaine in the lower left gum (most people get this from wisdom tooth extraction; I just had a careless dentist). This causes all kinds of pain including teeth aching, head and earaches, and the worst: burning/stinging tongue every single day.

    I've been trying different kinds of meds, but would like to hear from others with similar injuries.

    I am so fearful of getting those crowns put on I can't tell you. I'm frozen being unable to choose a dentist- the last one, who screwed me up, was on recommendation from a friend. Now I dont' know where to go and trust no one. You can read a lot of stories about improperly placed crowns causing many problems online.

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    Old 06-02-2010, 12:54 PM   #13
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    Re: Dental pain mystery for over 6 months now

    I also got a second root canal done right next to the first one. Although they found the second tooth fractured, they don't think it is the issue of the first one causing so much issue. The first one has been done twice now. The dentist wants to take off the crown and put on a temporary, as well as put a temporary on the fractured tooth. That will be the third crown on that first tooth. This is a different dentist though.
    I know your frustration of trying, and then going right back to the same old issues. Not only is the pain, metallic taste and burning a problem, but the amount it costs becomes an issue. It is like throwing money to the wind.
    What else do you do though? This certainly has affected my over all health, which I am sure has for you too. I will update you on the SUCCESS of the new crowns. How's that for throwing positive energy out there? Good luck to you. Keep us updated.

     
    Old 06-24-2010, 04:49 AM   #14
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    Re: Dental pain mystery for over 6 months, now 7 mos

    blkseler, any news?
    Since my teeth still hurt deep inside, and I've gone to two different endodontists (recommended by a former dental hygienist now in dental sales who knows everyone in the biz locally), I am now convinced that the continued pain is more nerve related than anything. Not that I didn't need the root canals; I did, but continuing to go in there and do work is further upsetting the nerve which is already injured.

    They suggested putting off any crown work until the everything settles- HA! if they only knew how unsettled it all is. I returned to the first endo last week, and he said it's "not unusual" to still have pain in a root canal 6 months later, sometimes even up to a year. However, the other endo said you really should not be hurting this much, 6 weeks ok, but not 6 months.

    Not sure how long you can go without placing crowns over root canals, I know the teeth are more fragile with RC's and this is supposed to protect them. But I still have pain, 7 months after receiving the injection that started this whole mess. So, I wait. I continue chewing on the other side, and try to sleep on the other side, too. Tongue still burns all day long, I have been put on clonazepam, nortriptilene, and at this point, don't think Advil can help anymore for inflammation, after all the meds, can the nerve STILL be inflammed, 7 months later? Maybe it can. I have also tried cold laser, and taking vitamins B and C for nerve repair.

    Good luck to all of you, hope all of your pain goes away and dental issues are resolved smoothly!

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    I sure am sorry about all your pain and I know because mine has been for 4 years. I went to the wrong dentist who set everything into motion. My bite is off and my TMJ went from tollerable to horrible. I have tried 3 pricey TMJ specialists and that only made me worse. I recently learned that lower guards put pressure on your nerves and cause damage and that is what all 3 specialists put me in. Even teeth that had root canals have shocking nerve pain and everyone tells me that can't be. I think it is because of my clenching and grinding adds to the damaged nerves from the guards. I also got burning mouth syndrome which is from the nerves so I know how you suffer with the burning tongue. I have no answers and I too am desperate to know how to make this all go away once and for all. It is just my opinion but since wearing the bulky lower guards I think my jaw has some seperation in it that keeps my mouth and jaw stressed 24 X7. A friend had a crown replaced and had so much pain and they took it off and put a temp back on and while the temp was on she had no pain. They again put a perm. crown on and the pain is back. She describes the foil on a filling sensation that I also have. I told her that I think the metal from the crown is hitting the metal in the filling and causing a reaction but the dentist told her no way. Who to trust????????????????????????

     
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