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    Old 01-23-2004, 12:22 PM   #31
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    Re: I need some info from you vegetarians + vegans.

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    "If you want to be a vegan because you love animals than fine. Have pride in that. Inventing silly rationalizations makes you look like a wimp. My vegan friends don't feel the need to do that. "

    --Lots of vegans out there are vegan for many other reasons than loving animals. To some, meat-- the smell, texture, etc. is repulsive. Sometimes I'm grossed out by it too even though I'm currently doing the high protein/low carb thing. But I always have said that if, starting today, I could never eat meat again, I'd be fine with it. And... no one has really answered me-- doesn't soy protein fill in most if not all gaps left by the absence of meat?
    I was just using that as an example as most of the vegans I know are animal lovers. I too get grossed out by meat frequently. I prefer fish, dairy, and protein powders.

    Soy is not a great source. It's an imcomplete protein and contains enzyme inhibitors that block the action of trypsin and other enzymes needed for protein digestion. Soy also contains substances called goitrogens that block thyroid function...not good if your trying to lose weight.

     
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    Old 01-23-2004, 12:33 PM   #32
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    Re: I need some info from you vegetarians + vegans.

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    I was just using that as an example as most of the vegans I know are animal lovers. I too get grossed out by meat frequently. I prefer fish, dairy, and protein powders.

    Soy is not a great source. It's an imcomplete protein and contains enzyme inhibitors that block the action of trypsin and other enzymes needed for protein digestion. Soy also contains substances called goitrogens that block thyroid function...not good if your trying to lose weight.

    Hmmm.... interesting. I didn't know that. I thought I was doing a good thing by eating the soy protein...I thought it had some cancer prevention properties, or something like that. Bummer.

     
    Old 01-23-2004, 12:35 PM   #33
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    Re: I need some info from you vegetarians + vegans.

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    Hmmm.... interesting. I didn't know that. I thought I was doing a good thing by eating the soy protein...I thought it had some cancer prevention properties, or something like that. Bummer.

    Unfortunately alot of that is just marketing. Soybean is a big cash crop in the US. Easy to grow and harvest.

    But eat it if you like it. I love the shucked soybeans from trader joes and tofu is a nice change from standard western cuisine. It's just not the "miracle" food it's made out to be.

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    Old 01-23-2004, 02:57 PM   #34
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    Re: I need some info from you vegetarians + vegans.

    fact: soy is a complete protein.

    "Soy is a complete protein according to the method of evaluating protein
    quality adopted by the FDA in 1991: "Protein Digestibility Corrected Amino
    Acid Score" (PDCAAS). Older methods, such as the Protein Efficiency Ratio
    (PER) based protein quality for humans on the growth of young rats, whih
    have vastly different amino acid requirements than humans. When consumed at
    the recommended level of protein intake, soy protein contains sufficient
    amounts of all essential amino acids for human nutrition. In addition, soy
    protein quality is considered to be equivalent to animal protein."
    Clare M. Hasler, Ph.D.

    Soy also contains high levels of anti-oxidants and phytochemicals which are strongly correlated with prevention of cancer and other disease.

    To answer your question, wearesiamese, soy and other plant foods rich in protein are sufficient alternatives to animal proteins, as evidenced by the many strong and healthy people who choose to eat them rather than meat, dairy, eggs, etc, and by many studies which corroborate the sound health of people who have this kind of diet.

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    Old 01-23-2004, 04:00 PM   #35
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    Re: I need some info from you vegetarians + vegans.

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    I'd love to know what this "meal" is.
    Okay, here's an example of a high protein vegan meal:

    Gardenburger riblets w/ barbecue sauce

    Baked potato w/ vegan gravy (1 t. olive oil, 2 T. nutritional yeast, some soy sauce or Braggs Liquid Aminos, H2O and seasonings)

    1 Cup chopped steamed kale.

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    Riblets & sauce have 27g. protein/ 210 calorie serving.
    A medium baked potato w/ skin has 2.3 g protein and 100 calories
    Nutritional yeast has 8.34 g. protein/ 2 tbsp. serving of the yeast (60 calories)
    1 tsp of olive oil has 70 calories.
    1 T soy sauce has 11 calories.
    1 Cup kale has 2.2 g/ protein and 33 calories.

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    This meal would have 484 calories and 39.84 grams of protein.
    About 160 calories would be from protein (40 grams times 4 calories per gram), which is about 1/3 of the total calories coming from protein

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