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    Old 10-07-2005, 07:51 AM   #1
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    Sudden fast heart rate...HELP!!

    It was 1:20 am this morning, I woke up and had to bend over to pull the blankets up. All of a sudden, there was a thud, then my heart raced! It made me panic..like an adrenalin surge I guess. This is like the 5th time this has happened in the last 3-4 years. All resulting from bending over. I had already read about the manuvers to try to get it to go back to normal, so thats what I did, and after 5 minutes, another thud and the panic was instantly gone. The very fast beats were gone too, although for the next few hours it was still beating between 100-120..but no panic. I believe it's PSVT??? Everything I have read it about sounds like what is happening to me. Infrequent sudden racing and sudden stopping of racing heartbeats. I have suffered with PACS and PVCS for about 15 years now. Been to heart Dr's, all tests etc.. and told my heart was fine. They don't scare me at all anymore. But when this sudden racing starts..it is very scarey!!! It feels like the beats are super fast (too fast to count, and too scared to even try to count) and I have like an airy, feeling in my upper chest. If this is happening in the upper heart, would it be called something else..like PSAT??? I have also read where PSVT mimics panic attacks. Many people are treated for panic disorder when they really have this PSVT. Can anyone relate to getting this sudden racing and sudden stopping? Has anyone ever experienced it...where you bending over at the time etc...Thanks to all who can help.

     
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    Old 10-07-2005, 07:58 AM   #2
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    Re: Sudden fast heart rate...HELP!!

    I think you are on the right track. I have had similar experiences (also after bending over) but it did not stop suddenly..went on for over 4 hours.

    I recognize your username

    I would see a cardio just to get a definate diagnosis. I take a beta blocker daily now and am MUCH better. I went misdiagnosed with panic for over 8 years before getting the SVT/IST diagnosis (still not sure which I have..).

     
    Old 10-07-2005, 08:11 AM   #3
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    Thanks Cheers..but I have gone to the heart specialist, they said my heart was fine. I have told them what happened and they act like it's nothing. Of course it wouldn't happen while wearing monitors or while at the Dr's. The first time I had it about 3 years ago or so, I drove myself to the ER. As soon as I got out of the car, the thud came, then the racing stopped. It can't be caught on the monitors when it happens so infrequently. Would also like to here from others who have experienced this.

     
    Old 10-07-2005, 09:37 AM   #4
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    It sounds like PAT ...paroxysmal atrial tachycardia... the symptom is periods of very fast heartbeats which begin and end suddenly.
    I get these episodes for many years already. Have been checked out by cardiologist, heart is fine. Also get them sometimes from bending over, especially with a full stomach. My episodes are usually under 2 hours, sometimes just minutes. I am on beta blockers and when an episodes does not stop within 1 hour I take another beta blocker. I can tell the second an episode starts or stops, I get this weird pressure against my neck.

     
    Old 10-07-2005, 09:47 AM   #5
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    For the two of you who get these sudden fast rates...how fast does it get?

     
    Old 10-07-2005, 10:29 AM   #6
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    Re: Sudden fast heart rate...HELP!!

    Since it started after a missed heart beat (the thud you felt), and stopped just as suddenly, it definitely sounds like PSVT (also known as PAT). PSVT does take place in the uppert heart - in the atria. The SV stands for "supra ventricular" or "above the ventricles."

    PSVT isn't really life threatening, but if you ever can't get it to stop on your own, you need to go the ER after half an hour or so. Have someone take you to the ER or call the paramedics so that you can go to the hospital and get an injection of a medication that stops episodes of PSVT.

    An episode of PSVT will usually send your heart rate to 140-240 bpm. It's definitely a very very frightening sensation.

     
    Old 10-07-2005, 10:36 AM   #7
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    LauraB..Thanks for your reply. So there is a difference in name PSVT or PAT ? I figured mine couldn't be PSVT because when it happens it feels like the top part of my heart.

    Cheers44.. I am in such a state of panic when it happens to me, there is no way I could sit still long enough to take my pulse. I can only say, I believe it is too fast to count.

     
    Old 10-07-2005, 10:45 AM   #8
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    TIMBER..Thank you for your reply. So, I guess they are the same thing? (PSVT and PAT) I think the longest episode has lasted about 45 minutes. That's the time when I drove myself to the ER and it suddenly ended as soon as I got out of my car. I went into the ER anyway that night. They said they couldn't tell me what had happened because it wasn't caught on the EKG. Just told me prob stress. (yeah right)
    I think it's strange how all of mine have started with a thud after bending forward. There has to be a reason for it. Maybe something is putting pressure on something else that could cause a heart to react like this??? I'll take my plain old pacs and pvcs anyday over this very frightening thing.

     
    Old 10-07-2005, 11:22 AM   #9
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    I know it is so scary. I seem to remember you from a message board a couple years ago. That was shortly before my ER episode when I was finally diagnosed. Of course, my HR was 150-160 for over 4 hours, so they were able to see it. The 2 EKGs showed sinus tachycardia. For some reason I was diagnosed by a cardio the next week with SVT. An EP Cardio said it was IST. I guess it doesnt really matter as they are pretty much treated the same and both supposivly benign. As you can maybe sense, my trust of medical professionals has been severely damaged having gone for so many years being patted on the head and told it was merely anxiety. First of all, there is nothing MERELY about anxiety. I know this because this heart crap created a raging anxiety disorder which I am still trying to get a grasp on. Secondly, why did it never occur to them that my HR was super high for a physical reason? I went to the Dr and ER numerous times.

    I take propranolol now and feel 100 times better. But I do still get the PVCs and they still scare the CRAP out of me!! Why cant I get used to them?? Why cant I believe when I am told that they are not dangerous. I guess because so many were wrong about me for so long, I cant be assured that they arent wrong this time too.

    This does suck. I get very very angry sometimes. But I suppose I should be grateful I dont have something much worse.

     
    Old 10-07-2005, 12:16 PM   #10
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    Re: Sudden fast heart rate...HELP!!

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    I think it's strange how all of mine have started with a thud after bending forward. There has to be a reason for it.
    According to my cardiologist (I also have PSVT), episodes usually start with a PVC. So
    bending over stimulates you in some way to have a PVC and if you're unlucky and the conditions are just right, the PVC leads to an SVT.

     
    Old 10-07-2005, 12:35 PM   #11
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    Is that the same as SVT to then? Because my episode did begin with a PVC after bending over as well. So, when they pound in our heads over and over that PVCs are harmless, that really isnt true then is it??

     
    Old 10-07-2005, 01:02 PM   #12
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    Re: Sudden fast heart rate...HELP!!

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    that really isnt true then is it??
    PVCs by themselves are totally harmless. Occasionally they can lead to an SVT, which is also harmless. So, yes, they're harmless.

    And the VAST majority of people with PVCs (almost everyone on earth has them now and then) do NOT have SVT.

     
    Old 10-07-2005, 01:49 PM   #13
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    Some ppl say SVT isnt dangerous. All my Dr have told me that. But i have also had RNs and an anesthesiologist tell me otherwise. And I have heard that if your HR doesnt go down w/in a half hour to call 911. So, it must not be completely harmless.

    When I had my episode that brought me to the ER, during ortho stats my BP dropped to 50/30. I thought FOR SURE I was a goner. What if I hadnt been in the ER? Would my heart have gone back to normal on its own eventually?

    I am in one of those moods again today. I am sorry. I just get so down about this sometimes.

     
    Old 10-08-2005, 05:42 AM   #14
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    Cheers44..Yes, I do remember you. I have read so many articles on PSVT and e'one of them have said it is NOT dangerous. In the 80's I used to suffer with severe panic attacks and it turned into agoraphobia. But never did my heart have any thuds then start racing and then suddenly stop racing. (my pacs and pvcs never started until the 90's) I think it's strange though, how during a PVST attack, the same panic symptoms come with it. The feeling of "oh my god, feeling of doom, feeling like I'm going to die etc". No wonder the one article said many people are treated for panic attacks when it was really PSVT. You get the SAME feelings with it. Here is just one article I read.
    http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/20702.htm

     
    Old 10-08-2005, 06:50 AM   #15
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    Cheers, when I say suddenly I don't mean heart slows down, hb goes from racing to a normal beat within a second, no matter how long or short an episode is. Years ago my heart raced at exactly 160 beats per minute but since I'm on a beta blocker it only goes up to 120 beats. It never goes 125 or 115 etc. always exactly 120 beats from a resting pulse of 72.
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