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    Old 08-03-2004, 03:42 PM   #1
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    Please Help Low-Carb Dieter. Is my cholesterol really too high?

    I just found out that I have high cholesterol today. The doctor didn't prescribe any meds; she wants me to change my diet. I had been on a low-carb diet for about a month when I had it checked a couple of weeks ago. My numbers are:

    LDL - 163
    HDL - 73
    Total - 248

    Trig. 62

    I have no idea what my cholesterol was like before I began the low-carb diet. The #s may have even been worse for all I know! But, I did not really increase my fat intake on the low-carb diet. I am 25 years old, and I am in my target weight range. From what I have read online today, my HDL and triglycerides are good. Aside from cutting out my 3-4 servings of full-fat cheese per day, I don't really see many changes that I need to make.

    People keep referring to the ratio. What should the ratio of LDL to HDL be? In an earlier post, one person referred to LDL as garbage and HDL as garbage trucks. If so, I should be okay, right? Are my numbers balanced or should I be concerned?

    Any info. is appreciated. I am quite disgusted that my doctor did not try to provide me with more info.

    Thanks,
    Olivia

     
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    Old 08-03-2004, 04:24 PM   #2
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    Olivia,

    Your LDL/HDL ratio should be 2.5 or less. Yours is 2.2, which is within the range. The two factors which are really in your favor are your high HDL and low triglycerides. Some feel that the triglyceride/HDL ratio is a far better risk indicator. An ideal ratio would be 1.0, with 2.0 being the average. Yours is excellent, at just 0.9. A high HDL combined with low triglycerides correlates more strongly with Pattern A LDL, which is considered less harmful, since it is made up of mostly large, fluffy particles. On the other hand, Pattern B LDL more strongly correlates with low HDL and high triglycerides. This form of LDL is considered more dangerous, since it consists of primarily small, dense particles. Now, your LDL was most likely only calculated, not actually measured. If it was measured, then you would get a clearer picture of what the composition actually is in regards to particle size breakdown.

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    Old 08-03-2004, 05:42 PM   #3
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    arizona,

    how is the ldl measured??

     
    Old 08-03-2004, 06:33 PM   #4
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    ARIZONA73,

    Thanks for the info. I can tell you are quite knowledgable on the subject. So, would you suggest that I make changes to my diet even though I most likely have Pattern A LDL? Or, do you think I need to have it actually measured to be sure? Does a measurement have to be done in a research lab? Thanks again for the info.

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    Old 08-03-2004, 07:27 PM   #5
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    Olivia,

    You can request from your doctor to have your LDL measured, and thus obtain a more thorough breakdown regarding LDL particle size. But I would also ask to have lipoprotein(a) checked as well. Lipoprotein(a), or Lp(a), is a variant form of LDL. This is ordinary LDL combined with an adhesive protein called apo(a). This is what adheres to the walls of your arteries. It has the potential to carry with it some oxidized LDL. If your Lp(a) number is 20 or more, then plaque is more likely to deposit in your arteries.

    As far as diet is concerned, that is something that you'll have to decide. Your doctor may recommend a low-fat diet. Well, there's both good and bad to that. It may lower your total cholesterol as well as your LDL. But, at the same time, it may also lower your HDL, and you may also find that your triglycerides will go up due to an increase in carbohydrate consumption. It's up to you if you want to go on that kind of diet. Even if total cholesterol and LDL is reduced, there is no guarantee that your ratios will improve if your HDL goes down and triglycerides go up. As for myself, I'm more inclined to favor more of a low-carb approach.

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    Old 08-04-2004, 04:33 AM   #6
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    ARIZONA73,

    Thanks again for the info. I really appreciate your time. I am going to request to have my LDL measured. Then I should know if I need to continue on a low-carb diet or if I need to switch to a low-fat diet.

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    Old 08-05-2004, 11:33 AM   #7
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    Hi - I was on a low-carb diet for a while and ended up with high cholesterol numbers, too - especially a high LDL but, thankfully, also a high HDL count and low triglycerides.
    My doc also suggested food and exercise before medicine, and I brought my numbers down significantly over the 3month period by staying with the low-carb diet by exercising (3-4x a week for 30-45min at least), andwatching my saturated and trans fat - which is actually a good idea anyway. I cut out full-fat cheese (I still have a slice of low-fat, low-carb cheese every so often), cut down on or cut out high-saturated fat meats (bacon, sausage, red meat), ate more fish and veggies, no more low-carb icecream, cut back on lo-carb candy treats, and increased fiber (low-carb whole wheat tortillas ROCK!) while watching carbs. A lo-carb diet cuts out most trans fats already since you're not eating packaged cookies and candy, so that's good.
    And I started taking the Cholester-Off supplement by Nature Made, eating Take Control/Benecol, and taking fish oil, a B-complex vitamin, and lecithin (along with the usual calcium, vitamin c, and daily vitamin).
    Anyway, that's what worked for me. I think the exercise really makes a difference. I hope you get good results!

     
    Old 08-05-2004, 07:17 PM   #8
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    I have been on this same journey...needing to lower LDL and increase HDL (and lose weight)....but unable to take statins. So, I've been researching alternative solutions. Today while at the library, I stumbled onto this book, "The Carbohydrate Addict's Healthy Heart Program." Being a sceptic, I decided I needed to do more research on low carb diets and was blown away by what I found.

    I invite you all to read the research on this site... http://www.lowcarbresearch.org/lcr/results.asp ...and read what a low carb diet can do. After hearing discussion of Atkins and the South Beach Diets, I wasn't thrilled with the idea of low carb, but after reading this book and the research, I am reconsidering!! Please DO read the research and then come back and tell us what you think! I would love to hear what others of you believe after reading this. I wonder if statins would be so necessary if we only ate in healthy ways.

    If you feel as excited about the info as I do, let's talk more about this! Now I'm off to make this a thread of it's own. Ta-ta

     
    Old 08-06-2004, 05:53 AM   #9
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    I read the book and it's JUST another "DIET BOOK" with all the baggage that goes with the term.

    I have read maybe 25 diet books over the years and have decided for myself they are generally not worth the paper they are printed on. But as long as people eat too much like those in wealthy countries tend to, they will sell like hotcakes.
    I think they reached their peak with THE PEANUT BUTTER DIET!

    IMHO

     
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