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    Old 01-22-2002, 08:17 AM   #1
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    Does red yeast rice cause the same side effects as statins?

    In October, a routine screening showed my total cholesterol at 263, LDL at 182, triglycerides at 86 and HDL at 64. My diet was already pretty good, lots of fruits,veggies, whole wheat, etc. I ate fried foods and ice cream rarely (maybe twice a month) but cut those out, as well as reduced eating meat to once a day, and increased my workouts from twice to three times a week. I also started taking one 600mg red yeast rice and one guggul at night. In January my total cholesterol is 185, LDL 108, triglycerides 73 and HDL 62. My question is, since red yeast rice is converted in the body to a statin-like compound, would I experience statin-like side effects like muscle atrophy, liver enzyme elevation, etc. at this dosage?
    I have experienced no side effects except minor GI bloating, but would consider switching the red yeast rice to policosanol and continuing the guggul if I thought I'd risk statin-like side effects, even at this low dosage. Any advice is appreciated!

     
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    Old 01-22-2002, 06:22 PM   #2
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    Re: Does red yeast rice cause the same side effects as statins?

    It is certainly possible as red yeast rice is a natural form of lovastatin although it is somewhat weaker than the manmade variety so you stand a better chance of not having side effects , they all affect the liver so it really depends on how your system tolerates it . Surprised you still have a source , thought the stuff was banned here in the US . I'll be interested in seeing how my own policosanol treatment goes , so far nothing major in the side effects for me , which is a good start for me as just about anything else has givin me side effects (multiple statins ,tricor) . Only been on it for a couple of weeks though . I took red yeast rice for a little while but was still having the aches and the agravating of my peripheral neuropathy which was caused originally by the wonderful lipitor . i have no doubt that lipitor caused it , i never had any problems until I started on drugs for cholestrerol , I myself am beginning to think the cure is worse than the disease . You sit her and wonder just how did our parents make it without these . <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif">

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NikC:
    <B>In October, a routine screening showed my total cholesterol at 263, LDL at 182, triglycerides at 86 and HDL at 64. My diet was already pretty good, lots of fruits,veggies, whole wheat, etc. I ate fried foods and ice cream rarely (maybe twice a month) but cut those out, as well as reduced eating meat to once a day, and increased my workouts from twice to three times a week. I also started taking one 600mg red yeast rice and one guggul at night. In January my total cholesterol is 185, LDL 108, triglycerides 73 and HDL 62. My question is, since red yeast rice is converted in the body to a statin-like compound, would I experience statin-like side effects like muscle atrophy, liver enzyme elevation, etc. at this dosage?
    I have experienced no side effects except minor GI bloating, but would consider switching the red yeast rice to policosanol and continuing the guggul if I thought I'd risk statin-like side effects, even at this low dosage. Any advice is appreciated! </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

     
    Old 01-22-2002, 09:28 PM   #3
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    Re: Does red yeast rice cause the same side effects as statins?

    Thank you for your great reply. I think the fact that you still had the aches and the peripheral neuropathy after switching from statins to red yeast rice tells me the potential is there for the same side effects. My Dad (age 84) was on Lipitor for a year, then developed elevated liver enzymes and muscle weakness. I am hoping the policosanol works; I plan to switch to it and continue the guggul. Please let me know how it works for you, good luck!!

     
    Old 01-24-2002, 09:03 PM   #4
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    Re: Does red yeast rice cause the same side effects as statins?

    I am hoping it works , I did quite a bit of investigating before deciding to try this , went to the FDA site and they said to look for information on studies of the product at National Library of Medicine's database of literature citations . I went their and their are valid studies on policosanol there so it is a valid product which has been studied . It has not been around that long so I think that is why we havn't seen top much exposure yet . If the claims are as good as they read we'll probably hear more in the future , i guess only time will tell maybe it won't work at all I don't know . Here is a little blurb from a suplement website which has a doctor on it's staff , lot's of good info on policosanol here . <A HREF="http://www.life-enhancement.com/displayart.asp?ID=609" TARGET=_blank>http://www.life-enhancement.com/displayart.asp?ID=609</A>

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    Q Dear Dr. V,
    I have been fighting high cholesterol for many years. After many problems with the prescription drug Questran and with niacin, my doctor switched me five years ago to a different drug, Zocor. About 1 1/2 years ago, he insisted on increasing the dosage from 10 mg to 20 mg. I did not feel like my healthy self at this level, but even so, I persevered. A test done several months later showed that my cholesterol was still too high: 222. My doctor then urged me to increase the dosage to 40 mg, but I balked.I stopped all Zocor and started looking for alternatives. Seven months ago, I started taking CholestOut. No side effects! After five months on CholestOut, I had my cholesterol levels retested, and bingo: normal cholesterol of 174.
    The rest of my lipid tests were good too.
    My cholesterol level is down to where I always wanted it, and I feel good too. Since red yeast rice is no longer available, what else can I use to maintain good cholesterol levels? I do not want to go back to drugs. AR, Ph.D.

    A Dear Dr. AR,
    Red yeast rice, the main ingredient in CholestOut, was recently banned by the FDA for political and financial reasons. Red yeast rice is a natural, statin-containing substance (statins are effective cholesterol-reducing agents).
    It works so well that the rich and politically powerful pharmaceutical companies used their influence to monopolize the statins. They do not want any competition, especially from a natural product that is so effective. This is unfortunate for the many people who had been receiving the health benefits of red yeast rice, which will not even be available by prescription. Fortunately, however, there is another well-studied, natural cholesterol-lowering agent called policosanol, which research has shown to be as effective or even more effective than cholesterol-lowering prescription drugs.* It is an extract of sugar cane, and no, it does not have any sugar in it, nor does it affect blood sugar levels.

    Life Enhancement offers two products containing policosanol: PoliChol, with policosanol, choline, and vitamin B5, and a more advanced formulation, CholestOut II, with policosanol, inositol hexanicotinate (a "nonflushing" form of niacin), and coenzyme Q10. It may be worth trying one of these formulations before going back on drugs that did not give you the help you needed and that had side effects to boot. It is important that you have your cholesterol levels tested regularly.
    Dr. V

    * See "Policosanol Lowers Cholesterol Better Than Prescription Drugs" in Life Enhancement, September
    2001.

     
    Old 01-24-2002, 09:13 PM   #5
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    Re: Does red yeast rice cause the same side effects as statins?

    Good luck with the policosanol, I'm hoping it works for me . your numbers sound just like mine around 260 total . I did A lot of research on this and it seems to be a valid product with valid studies documented in
    National Library of Medicine's database of literature citations which the FDA reccomends for looking up stuff like this . Also a good website with a lot of info on this is <A HREF="http://www.life-enhancement.com/displayart.asp?ID=609" TARGET=_blank>http://www.life-enhancement.com/displayart.asp?ID=609</A> .

     
    Old 01-25-2002, 08:36 AM   #6
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    Re: Does red yeast rice cause the same side effects as statins?

    I recently read that Coenzyme Q-10 can cause tissue scaring over the heart if you excercise extensively with it. If I can find the link, I will post it. Have you heard anything about this?

     
    Old 01-25-2002, 08:39 AM   #7
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    Re: Does red yeast rice cause the same side effects as statins?

    I recently read that Coenzyme Q-10 can cause tissue scaring over the heart if you excercise extensively with it. If I can find the link, I will post it. Have you heard anything about this?

     
    Old 01-25-2002, 06:11 PM   #8
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    Re: Does red yeast rice cause the same side effects as statins?

    Vipergg, I just bought Red Yeast Rice today. My herbalest said that because this lable does not claim anything about Cholesteral, the FDA said it was ok. So check with your health food store and see if it is still avalible for you. Good Luck!

     
    Old 02-02-2002, 12:27 AM   #9
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    Re: Does red yeast rice cause the same side effects as statins?

    Are you buying the capsule form of Red Rice Yeast. I bought some in pure form my herbalist for under $10/Lbs ?

     
    Old 02-02-2002, 08:15 AM   #10
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    Re: Does red yeast rice cause the same side effects as statins?

    Actually my husband is a pharmacist and found red yeast rice on the clearance table at work! It's called "Chinese Remedy" or something like that. 60 tablets marked down to $1.12, he got every one he could find! Although it with the guggul has worked well, I am afraid I will start to experience some of the statin side effects, which I can ill afford, as I am trying to increase my physical activity, and muscle aches and fatigue would not help. I am slowly switching to policosanol plus guggul and hope it works as well.

     
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