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    Old 02-04-2002, 07:55 PM   #1
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    pls help with high cholesterol.

    Hi,

    my boyfriend is a 37 year old guy. he just found out the his cholestrol is very high, it is 285. the dr said he also has high blood pressure and his blood sugar is high. he told him he is at risk for heart disease and diabetes.
    he also smokes like a chimney is chubby and gets no excersise.

    I want to help him but I am not sure what I can do to help him. what foods are high in cholesterol, I Am obviously not feeding him properly, mine is normal so it could be genetic. the dr wants to see him back in 8 weeks. any tips would be most appreciated.
    he loves burger's and fry's, chips, chocolate and junk, but he does not eat red meat other than burger's and i feed him veggies and fruit.
    thanks in advance,


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    Old 02-04-2002, 11:06 PM   #2
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    Re: pls help with high cholesterol.

    What he needs is a good low carbohydrate diet such as Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution or Protein Power by Dr. Eades. Really. It is not the cholesterol and saturated fat in your diet that cause the problems he is experiencing, but high insulin levels caused by a diet too high in sugars and other starchy carbohydrates. Biochemistry 101. He has many of the symptoms associated with Syndrome X (high cholesterol, high bloodpressue, high bloodsugar). Syndrome X results from insulin resistance in the tissues and the resulting high insulin levels when eating excess carbohydrates. It ultimately comes down to the fact that he is eating a diet that is not well suited to his genetic background. And the cigarette smoking definitely doesn't help. What he needs to be doing is eating sausage and eggs for breakfast (no bread or potatoes or anything else with it), tuna salad or a hamburger pattie for lunch (again, no bread), and nice steak and salad or steamed vegetables for dinner (no bread or potatoes or anything sweet or starchy). If he eats this type of food he can eat pretty much all he wants and still lose weight and lower his cholesterol and bloodpressure. It worked for me and many of my co-workers and friends.

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    Old 02-05-2002, 01:15 AM   #3
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    Lisa,

    That's nice that you want to help your boyfriend. I can help you lower his bad cholesterol and possibly raise his good cholesterol (which is virtually impossible to do w/conventional medicine).

    Go to your local natural foods store and ask them for "Organic Cold-Pressed High-Lignan Flaxseed Oil". Don't let the name scare you.....this oil is actually good for us! I told my dad about it when his doctor told him his cholesterol was 300. He took 1 tablespoon a day, and when he had his levels checked again 3 months later, his total was 250! What was even more amazing was that his "good" cholesterol increased by 17 points! That convinced him and he still takes it daily (he's 72).

    I suggest you buy it for your boyfriend (and yourself!) and start taking it right away. It also helps your body in other ways. If you're skeptical, just search it on the Internet and see for yourself. You can also ask the manager at the natural foods store about it too.

    I take it every other day along with my other supplements and my cholesterol is 160 (I'm 32 yrs old).

    Make sure you keep it refrigerated because it is "superpolyunsaturated oil" which means it will go rancid if light hits it for too long. It should also be packaged in an opaque (black) bottle. And one more thing........it's inexpensive!

    Good Luck and Good Health!

     
    Old 02-05-2002, 08:31 AM   #4
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    Re: pls help with high cholesterol.

    Lisa..sounds like you definitely have to convince him to eat better foods and get at least a little exercise, as he is way too young for those problems. So far you are getting some darn good advice, so hopefully your boyfriend will listen and get those numbers down along with the blood pressure etc. If it is genetic, it will be harder, but he still needs to get off that junk food and get some exercise, he will certainly benefit from it. Good luck. <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif"> JJ

     
    Old 02-07-2002, 11:21 AM   #5
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    Re: pls help with high cholesterol.

    Hello, I agree with the previous poster about eating right and exercise. You really have to watch the fat content in food. Meat isn't the only culpret. Hamburgers are high in fat since they are usually made with ground chuck and fried. French fries are my weakness too, but I remind myself that a small fry is in the double digits when it comes to the total fat. Deep fried foods are evil. Chocolate is also high in fat, because it usually has whole milk in the ingredients. The fat count in chocolates can be anywhere from 14g. - 23g. The only meat your guy should be eating should have "loin" or "round" on the label and be broiled, boiled, or baked. One serving of meat is 3 oz., which will drive him crazy. 3 oz. is the size of a deck of cards or the palm of your hand. As for poultry...no skin or dark meat and no duck. If he can't get along without chocolate, you can make him brownies. Use a recipe that uses cocoa instead of melted chocolate, substitute 2 egg whites for each egg, and substitute apple sauce or lite margarine or Benecol for the butter. (Butter is very evil.) Use only skim milk. Get the fat-free chips and don't tell him so he won't notice. Pretzels are a good snack too. There's also some 94% fat free popcorn. I think the easiest way to start is to make sure the total fat grams on what ever he is eating is in the single digits. If an item is in the double digits, don't pick it up. I hope you keep us posted on his progress.

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    Old 02-08-2002, 12:21 PM   #6
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    Re: pls help with high cholesterol.

    Hello, You might want to check out These websites too. According to Dr. Mirkin, the liver can't remove cholesterol from your bloodstream if you eat too much fat. In his book he feels that 30% fat in your diet is too much. The problem with low-fat diets is that people think you just look at fat content and ignore everything else or sometimes they just look at the saturated fat or the cholesterol content, and that is not enough. You have to keep your calories in perspective and total fat. Also you can't go hog wild on low-fat starchy foods like low fat cookie and breads. You really don't have to make it difficult or complicated either. I just count my total fats and total calories and exercise. I find that the lower the total fat/the lower the saturated fat is too. I won't eat anything that has a total fat in the double digits. Since I'm also counting calories, I'm more selective in what I eat. I want something that's going to fill me up. I can eat a bigger serving of fruit than I can of bread, so I will choose the fruit over the bread. I do eat low fat/fat free starches like Redenbacher corn cakes and fat free chips, but I only have one serving of if for a snack. Here's the sites that I found, but I really think the books are much more helpful.
    <A HREF="http://www.drmirkin.com/" TARGET=_blank>http://www.drmirkin.com/</A>
    I typed "fat liver" in to Dr. Mirkin's search engine and chose # 5, HOW LOW-FAT DIETS RAISE CHOLESTEROL, you really have to read it to find out that you still have to watch your fat intake as well as other stuff.
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    <A HREF="http://my.*****.com/content/article/1680.50387" TARGET=_blank>http://my.*****.com/content/article/1680.50387</A>
    The above site is on Dr. Ornish. He is very strict and did long term studies on heart patients and a diet he designed.

    Good Luck and don't give up the ship yet. I know mine is partially genetic, but I am not going down without a fight. I'm going to try to stay away from medicine as long as what I am doing works. So far it's working.


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    Old 02-08-2002, 01:11 PM   #7
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    Re: pls help with high cholesterol.

    Hi all, well I am confused to say the least..My cholestrol is 180...but the triglycerides are 680..down from a whopping 900. I have taken the dreaded Lipitor..started at 20mg..then 30mg..then now 40mg...and I feel like$#%%%%$. I hear so much about low carb..then low fat..then other diets..it is hard to know what to do, or when or how to do it. I wonder if the long term side effects on the liver from the meds are worth the lower numbers, since the liver is double taxed by the meds, and then the higher insuling levels in the blood. I know there are some fats that are good for the body..like avocados, nuts, salmon...but who the heck can live on nuts? I am a recovering carb junkie...I try not to eat too much of it...but who can eat just one? I would love some hard based facts about what is good for you, if you have the high trigs..like me. It must be inherited..but dont know for sure, since I was adopted,,not much medical history..other than I know my natural father died at age 31 of a MI...I am 48, and about 30 pounds overweight since a hysterectomy two years ago. I don't get alot of exercise, and I know I have to increase that, but we all know that diets don't work, they only produce short term results unless you make it a way of eating for the rest of your life. I was told to eat senseably, in moderation, then low fat..then low carb..then high protien, no carbs...what a mess it all is..anyone got a magic wand? Brenda

     
    Old 02-08-2002, 05:03 PM   #8
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    Re: pls help with high cholesterol.

    Brenda if ya find that magic wand, please share it with us all!! <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif"> Hubby has high trigs., over 300 and at one time over 400, so I know where your coming from. He was on Lipitor and so was I, NO thanx....we are off them and will not go back on any statin again. U know the side effects, so we would rather live with the high numbers then take those rotten things. I know folks that take them with no problem, God bless them, but not us. Hubby's cardiologist told him the best he can do is eat everything in moderation and exercise, so that is what we do, and for now, it will have to do, as I am sick of drs. saying try this, try that, I have had it. Good luck, and make yourself cut down on alot of carbs. and fats, and exercise at least 3 times a week. Good luck, we all know how ya feel. <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/wave.gif"> JJ

     
    Old 02-08-2002, 07:02 PM   #9
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    Re: pls help with high cholesterol.

    High triglyceride levels are one of the classic symptoms of insulin resistance and Syndrome X. It all comes down to your diet. No one diet works for everyone because we all have different genetic backgrounds. Some of us have Asian ancestors, some of European descent, and some a little bit of everything. These people of different cultures ate different types of food throughout history. Some where high in protein and fat from animal sources and low in carbohydrate, and some were higher in carbohydrate and lower in animal products. Some at more fish, others at little if any fish. Over thousands of years of eating this way, these people's bodies adapted to that way of eating. If you go and change things rather abruptly (say in 1-5 generations), then the offspring don't have enough time to adapt and the results of eating a diet that is not well suited to your body will show up in your blood and your overall health. And one thing that has significantly changed in the last 100 or so years is the availability of highly processed carbohydrates which wreak havoc on our bloodsugar and insulin levels (processed vegetable oils are another "new" food introduced in this time period). Things like refined white flour and high fructose corn syrup just weren't available way back then. Most peoples bodies just have a difficult time dealing with all of this glucose thrust upon them (all digestible carbohydrates eventually turn into glucose in your body).

    Almost all of the newcomers at a low carbohydrate bulletin board that I frequent are amazed at how quickly and how significantly their triglyceride levels drop when they cut out the sugars and other high carbohydrate foods. And these foods are typically replaced with protein and fat from animal sources. People forget that that excess glucose circulating in the bloodstream will get converted to fat, i.e. tryglycerides.

    And a high triglyceride/HDL ratio is a much better predictor of heart disease than high cholesterol alone (like 16 times better). This high triglyceride/HDL ratio risk is rather well documented in clinical studies, but mainly all you ever hear about is the total cholesterol vs. heart disease risk. I wonder if this is just another way to promote a low-fat diet since a low fat diet can have a little effect at lowering total cholesterol (but it typically also lowers HDL, the good cholesterol) but it usually results in an elevation of triglyceride levels because of the extra carbohydrate consumed. Dr. Ornish even admits this but doesn't address the consequences. A diet higher in protein and naturally occurring fats and lower in sugars, starches, and other processed carbohydrates will almost always result in a significant drop in triglyceride levels and an elevation of HDL levels. Total cholesterol may not change much because of this rise in HDL and LDL may even go up a little. But the LDL level on your blood screening is rarely if ever measured, but is rather calculated from the other lipid parameters. Plus, there are two main types of LDL, pattern "a" and pattern "b". LDL pattern "a" is the one of concern since it is easily oxidized and more likely to support atherosclerosis. LDL pattern "b" is not easily oxidized and is essentially benign from an athersclerosis standpoint. And here is the kicker. Research has shown that the type of LDL that you have predominately, pattern "a" or pattern "b", and be predicted with high accuracy based on your triglyceride levels. High triglyceride levels correlate with a high percentage of the LDL being pattern "a" (the bad stuff) and low triglycerides correlate with a high percentage of your LDL being pattern "b", the benign kind.

    So, from the above it is easy to see that the whole cholesterol vs. heart disease risk is a little more complicated than the media or most health professionals let on. They tend to focus on the aspects that promote their ideals or agenda and that is usually the low fat diet lowers cholesterol propaganda. They usually fail to mention that high carbohydrate diets raise triglyceride levels, which is much more risky than total cholesterol.

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    Old 02-08-2002, 08:01 PM   #10
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    Hi Alan, ok...where is the book that all this info came from? Seems that the doc increasing the Lipitor dosage has not helped, in fact I feel worse. I am a carb junkie, like most. That comes from so many years in nursing, and eating on the run, cause we ALL know what hospital food is like..well, I guess I just need to stay away from carbs and sugar like the plague...no more chips, I cut my once daily coca cola 2 weeks ago, not bad withdrawals,tolerable. So there went a few hundred calories, and a bunch of sugar. So it is proven that if we eat more red meat, fish and veggies, stay away from sugar, flour, pasta...the trigs will come down...I get the next Lipid panel in 10 weeks...so I guess I will try it..it sure won't hurt at this point. Seriously, if there is a book with all this info, I would like to know about it. Did you arkies over your way get much snow? We got about 5 inches east of fayetteville where we live. Thanks for the info...I do appreciate it..but I am really sick, taking all this Lipitor, now 40mg a day. I feel like I am being poisioned.You would think my doctor would know the risk I have, and tell me what I really need to know..or maybe he doesn't know himself, since he is overweight. Wonder what his NUMBERS are???LOL The Big Dummy!!

     
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    Re: pls help with high cholesterol.

    I believe he has posted many links to sites with this info. so sure he can leave a few for you to read. I'm not in favor of the high fat, but i sure do believe in the low carb. thing, as I have been doing alot of reading myself on it.

    Hubby has a trig. problem and was always a big bread eater, so since his last test a few months ago I have convinced him to knock off so much bread, and so far he is paying attention, so dying to see if his next test is better in April. All we can do is read, listen and hope. Good luck!! <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif"> JJ

     
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    Thanks JJ, I have heard of some people going on the carb addicts diet. Eating more meat, protein and cheese, along with veggies. I am just a mess, don't know what to believe. I got my last results in the mail today...they didn't even bother to call me..just mail the bad news. Says cholesterol is 186,,I can live with that..but Trigs, are 669, HDL is 36, and LDL, I can not find on the report, other than the risk factor which is 5.2 high. I think my trigs have been so high for so long they may never come down. The first time I ever knew of how high they were, was before a surgery, back in 1991, when they called a heart specialist in to examine me before surgery, cause the surgeon didn't want to operate on me cause Trigs were 900. SO with that in mind, I might be wise to go to a cardiologist and get a check up..see if any thing is starting to block...geezzzzz to bad we have to diagnois ourselves, and that a doctor I have been seeing for 4 years now, wouldn't have even mentioned the fact of the high risk, knowing the family history of my father. Thanks for the info, I do appreciate it. I wish you and hubby good luck with the numbers. I may have to throw out my bread machine! Brenda

     
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    The insulin resistance and high trig numbers make sense. I know JJ's husband is a diabetic and has high trigs. Anyone else diabetic with high trigs?? As for carbs, I firmly believe in a low carb diet as carbs turn to sugar and hence, the increase in bgs as well as trigs. I'm also a believer in a low fat diet for those of us trying to control our cholesterol. The key is 'moderation'. I don't think it's healthy to go too far in any one direction but rather use common sense when making diet choices.

     
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    Brenda, hang in there, as we are all in this together, so you will hear stories very similar to your own. Like Deb said, hubby has a trig. problem and our old dr. just kept shoving him on more and more Lipitor till he was so sick it was pathedic. I finally convinced him to call his cardiologist, who he can really talk to, and he said I was right, to get off the meds. He suggested Omega 3 fish oils, 2,000 mgs a day and his trigs. went from over 400 to 300, not great, but better. Now he has him on 1200 mcgs. of Folic Acid also.

    Hubby has always been a terrible bread eater, typical Italian, so now after a few arguements, I have convinced him to knock off so much bread, so we will see in April if it does any good. Like Deb, I believe everything in moderation, as does hubby's cardiologist. Not everything is going to work the same for each person, but high carbs. I don't believe is a good thing at all. If your not comfortable with your dr. get a second opinion, as it is your body and you should have someone you can really talk too. I wish ya luck, as I know what you are going through, so try the lower carb. thing and see how it goes. Keep us posted and don't give up!!!! <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/wave.gif"> JJ

     
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