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    Old 07-17-2007, 05:33 AM   #1
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    Asprin?

    Hi just wondered if anyone took Asprin on a regular basis? I understand it can help to thin the blood and hence easier for the heart to pump it through.
    Would value anyones opinion.
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    Old 07-17-2007, 05:49 AM   #2
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    Re: Asprin?

    I take a lot of aspirin on a regular basis (650 mg./day.) I think it serves four functions:

    1. It prevents platelet clumping that initaites a blood clot,
    2. It is a potent anti-inflammatory and may provide protection against initialtion of plaque formation from a small arterial injury,
    3. It lessens the effects of a niacin flush,
    4. And last but not least, it remains a very potent analgesic against the day to day injuries my muscles and joints suffer at the gym...and I have a lot of old injuries.

    I don't think it can be counted on as an actual "blood thinner" resulting in easier heart pumping.

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    Old 07-17-2007, 06:08 AM   #3
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    Re: Asprin?

    One report I read claimed Aspirin and Morphine are the two most important drugs ever discovered. Aspirin is considered a super drug and numerous reports I have read recommend taking a small dose every day to keep strokes and heart problems at bay. By no means is it a panacea for an unhealthy life style though, it should never be consdered so.

    From a personal point of view, I have taken Aspirin regularly but I found it gave my stomach ulcer-type symptoms. It irritated my stomach, so I stopped taking it. Be careful of this, you could always take enteric coated Aspirin to avoid this, so its released in your small intestine, although some research gives evidence that these tablets aren't as bio-available as standard aspirin and would have a reduced effect.

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    Old 07-17-2007, 07:29 AM   #4
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    Re: Asprin?

    Hi Gail,

    All 7 of the Dr's I've seen for HBP have asked if I was taking aspirin. As others have said: the main reason for taking aspirin with hypertension is to prevent a clot from forming & causing a stroke or heart attack. Check with your Dr. to make sure aspirin will not interfere with other meds you maybe taking. If you have asthma or drug allergies, you need to be cautious with aspirin. Your Dr. will advise about this.

    Aspirin is most effective in preventing clots in women over 65 yrs according to the latest studies.

    The most effective aspirin is the one that is plain without coatings. If you think you are having a heart attack, Dr's advice is to take 1-2 aspirin. It is important in this situation to get the aspirin into circulation right away. Dr's usually advise chewing aspirin followed with a glass of water. But I don't see why you couldn't drop the aspirin in water instead cause it dissolves right away. I find a little shot glass works great for this. I bought a bunch shot glasses at the gift shop & the salesclerk asked me if I was having a party. Yea, right I said " Me & my meds are having a fun time . I have a swallowing problem so I have to dissolve all my meds.

    If possible, buy plain aspirin because it is more effective according to the latest studies. I find Bayer aspirin the least irritating to the stomach. Eat some food before & after taking aspirin as well as drinking water.
    Most Dr's say to take one baby aspirin daily but for an emergency a regular aspirin (325mg) is usually given.

    Hope this helps. Fam

     
    Old 07-17-2007, 08:56 AM   #5
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    Re: Asprin?

    Thank all for your replies, it was the pharmacist that mentioned it to me when I was given Irbesartan she told me that Dr's in the UK give it to people with high bp to help prevent strokes and heart attacks as it makes the blood less sticky, she also said that it is given in dispersible form so its not in the stomach to long. The dose that is given is 75mg daily.

    Take care all
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    Old 07-17-2007, 09:43 AM   #6
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    Re: Asprin?

    Hi Fam,

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    Aspirin is most effective in preventing clots in women over 65 yrs
    Whether or not healthy women under the age of 55 should be on a daily aspiring theraphy remains controversial. It is thought that high estrogen pre-menopausal levels provide a reasonable degree of protection against heart disease and strokes. Of course, in those of us at high risk age should not be a determining factor in initiating a daily aspirin therepy. In healthy younger people considering taking an aspirin as a preventative, the risks of its long-term use should be weighed as well. These include gastro problems, ulcers, internal bleeding and an increased risk of a stroke.

    While aspirin helps prevent clot-related strokes, it increases the risk of a bleeding stroke. Many people don't know this. There are claims that a low dose of Aspirin is just as effective as the higher dose that some people take.
    If correct, that's good to know! The coated version of aspirin is recommended by the physicians to help with the absorption. It protects the stomach lining and helps prevent ulcers and other gastro issues. One should never break or crush the extended release tablets. They can be super hard on the stomach.

    Of course, when you have difficulty in swallowing tablets whole the only alternative is to crush them. Mine are very small. Have you experienced any problems you attributed to aspirin?

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    Old 07-17-2007, 02:06 PM   #7
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    FG,

    I don't have problems with aspirin now unless I don't follow my "aspirin rules." I did when I had thyroiditis the first time & had to take mega doses of aspirin. My Dr's said I needed to take a whole aspirin when my b/p was very high. I did that for two years until I finally got my Dr. to reduce my dose to about 81mg (1/4 of a 325mg tab.). I think it is cheaper buying the whole tab & cutting it. My info concerning comes from medical journals & most from Dr. Oz (the famous heart surgeon). He also says to use water not hot water to dilute the aspirin. Another Dr. says that diluting aspirin in water is good because the aspirin tablet doesn't hit one spot in the stomach. It is spread out in the stomach. That made sense to me. As you know I have a very sensitive stomach as far as meds & food. This method has prevented stomach problems even when I was taking at least 2 (325mg) tabs every 2-3 hrs around the clock with my thyroid problems. I came up with diluting aspirin way before I read it in Dr. Oz's books & heard him on TV. It is especially important to get that aspirin in circulation if you think you are having a heart attack & some even say to do it if you think you are having a stroke (I know about the bleeding stoke too well as my sister died from that). My husband's life was probably saved by aspirin when he had a 4 bypass & no heart damage.

    The info about the coating was from an article in a medical journal. As you know medical info even from medical sources can differ greatly.

    I'm surprised that aspirin doesn't cause any problems with your asthma. I never would give my kids with asthma aspirin. My understanding is there aren't many substitutes for aspirin as far as blood clots. Glad you are able to take it.

    How's the swelling? You might want to measure around your ankles & calves to detect any decrease. I did that as it gave me some encouragement that I was making progress. Also, has there been any change in your weight? Whatever you can do to keep your spirits up Fam

     
    Old 07-17-2007, 03:23 PM   #8
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    Re: Asprin?

    Fam,

    There is so just so much we don't know! I am certainly going to look into the aspirin/asthma issue further. Many thanks for bringing it to my attention. I will be starting my asthma research from scratch. I know nothing at all about this condition. I have no idea how or if aspirin affects my stomach. Whenever I become breathless I also develop a stomachache/discomfort. It stays that way most of the time. My aspirin is only a baby dose. You are right in saying that nothing compares to aspirin. It's a real life saver.

    The swelling is gone, and so are the extra ten pounds. (It may have been more-I could not fit into some of my underwear.) I stopped taking the calcium channel blocker and the edema has not returned. I have some residual bumps (of water?) left on my lower legs, but otherwise am back to normal and my legs look human again and don't hurt or itch. That extra diuretic is doing wonders for my blood pressure. I do not dare hope the BP drop is permanent. My BP readings during the last two days have been fantastic.

    My sister-in-law died of a stroke a few years ago at age 50. She refused to take any prescription drugs though she'd had several health issues due to her obesity. She ate and drank whatever she liked. We'll never know whether her stroke might have been prevented by adopting a much healthier lifestyle and a daily dose of aspirin. There is a very good reason for aspirin being called a "wonder drug."

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    Old 07-17-2007, 04:02 PM   #9
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    Re: Asprin?

    You really got a quick reaction from HCTZ. It took a month for me to get a decrease in b/p. I guess your 10 lbs of extra fluid made the difference plus taking 50mg instead of 25mg. Maybe you can drop down to 25mg later. I didn't lose more than a few lbs initially. Has your asthma gotten worse while taking HCTZ? You must be thrilled to have that fluid gone & your b/p down!!! What is your Dr.going to say about that?

    In your research about asthma, you will find that there is a connection between asthma & acid reflux for some people. So you might have to go to a GI specialist next. Sorry to hear about your aunt. My sister ate healthy & exercised but she smoked constantly & dranks gallons of coffee which certainly set her up for a stroke (burst brain artery). Luckily, I didn't get hooked on cigs-was too thrifty & having a little white something in my hand all the time would have driven me crazy. I did liked coffee but gallons of it would have done my stomach in.

    Well, I was hoping to get in the pool between rain showers but it looks like the weather has other plans. Didn't get to go yesterday cause I was so heat exhausted from shopping that I just collapsed when I got home. From now on I'm going shopping at 6 AM!!! Fam

     
    Old 07-17-2007, 04:56 PM   #10
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    Fam,

    QUOTE]Has your asthma gotten worse while taking HCTZ? You must be thrilled to have that fluid gone & your b/p down!!! What is your Dr.going to say about that?[/QUOTE]

    My doc is still on holidays. He does not care about me, and I don't care for his opinion. The one I saw twice this weekend at the walk-in-clinic (whom I don't know) told me to WAIT until my doctor gets back from holidays before I stop the Felodipine. I was unwilling to wait, (that swelling was BAD) so I just stopped. It must have been OK because I don't feel ill (perhaps I should say any worse than usual? ). I do wake up coughing a couple of times each night but it's the same type of cough as the ACE cough. Geez, how does one tell the difference between an ACE cough and an asthma cough?
    I have been thinking about the stomach issues and wondering if I should bother seeing a GI doctor for that. Some of it, if not all, might be caused by my prescription meds. I have no desire for even MORE prescription meds to deal with that so will have to carefully think this over.

    I'll start looking up that asthma-aspirin topic tonight.
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    Old 07-17-2007, 08:03 PM   #11
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    Here are two books on heartburn that I have found very helpful. Wish I had had them when I first got HB. Anyhow they both have sections on Asthma/heartburn.

    "How to Stop heartburn" by Anil Minocha M.D 01'

    " The Fire inside " by M. Michael Wolfe, MD, 96'

    Over half of pts with asthma have acid reflux according to one of these books. The asthma cough is a factor cause it aggravates the GI system. From what I have observed most people can handle acid reflux with lifestyle changes be they must be strict. I don't take meds for AR although I probably have at least a average case of AR.
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    Old 07-17-2007, 08:41 PM   #12
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    Thanks! I searched our library and they do not have either book. I thought they'd be out of print. To my surprise, they can both be purchased online. I have almost every book published in recent years by a well known clinic, including the one on digestion, so will start looking there. I can get our library to get me both books you recommended on an inter-library loan.

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    Old 07-18-2007, 07:56 AM   #13
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    Re: Asprin?

    Some info on aspirin:

    Apparently, aspirin was discovered a hundred years ago by a German chemist looking for a treatment for his father's arthritis.

    Up to 5% of people with asthma have aspirin intolerance, while up to 20% develop aspirin sensitivity following ingestion of aspirin. Aspirin causes the body to produce increased amount of chemicals called leukotrienes. These chemicals cause the muscles around bronchial tubes to contract, which results in wheezing and shortness of breath. There's no known way to test for aspirin sensitivity. Aspirin sensitive asthmatics can safely take Tylenol.

    Everyone taking aspirin on a daily basis as a preventative should take the lowest effective dose to minimize its side effects. These are dose dependent. Long term use in healthy individuals is not recommended, because it creates as many problems as it might prevent. There are natural anti-inflammatories most of us can safely take. These include Omega3s, garlic and ginger.

    Some CVD patients on a daily aspirin therapy can develop aspirin resistance. (I did not know this.) When that happens, the therapy does not provide an adequate antiplatelet activity. It is defined by platelet function testing and notable unresponsiveness to therapy.

    A couple of interesting facts:

    Sodium excretion produced by Spironolactone may be DECREASED in the presence of Salicylates.

    ACE Inhibitors can cause an airway narrowing.

    Hmmmm......
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    Interesting article. I thought of something else I read last year regarding aspirin. These studies warned about stopping aspirin suddenly after having been on it for some time. The researchers said that there is evidence that suddenly stopping aspirin may precipatate a stroke or heart attack. So it is best to slowly reduce the dose especially in the case of surgery. Of course, if there is an allergy or asthma, one would just have to stop it.

    Concerning aspirin & tylenol, I assume you meant that tylenol could replace aspirin for inflammation but not for prevention of clots?

    Sorry to hear about your diuretic & aspirin. I wonder if your low dose aspirin decreases the effect?

    There just seems to be so many land mines with these meds no wonder Doctors can't keep up with all this.

    I don't know what I would have done without aspirin for pain when I had thyroiditis as it is the best med for this condition. Especially since I couldn't take other pain meds. Fam

     
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    Fam,

    I spent a few hours reading about aspirin and took notes, then mentioned a few highlights in the previous post. There's so much more. But it helps to know the basics and now I feel better informed. Ít's hard to believe how much unrelated yet useful information one comes across while searching for answers. I did not know about the rebound effect of aspirin you mentioned, so thanks for that info!

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    Concerning aspirin & tylenol, I assume you meant that tylenol could replace aspirin for inflammation but not for prevention of clots?
    Sorry it did not come out right, but Tylenol can be used for pain in people with asthma who are sensitive to aspirin. (Not as a substitute for aspirin's blood thinning properties). On discovering about the increase in sodium retention when using Spironolactone and aspirin a light went off. The aspirin might have contributed to my edema, its effect compounded by the calcium channel blockers, and vice versa. And I have a feeling I had been right all along about the ACE Inhibitor affecting the airways long after the beta blockers were discontinued.

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    There just seems to be so many land mines with these meds no wonder Doctors can't keep up with all this.
    You said it, Fam! It's consumer beware!

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