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    Old 11-23-2003, 05:56 PM   #1
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    breast implants causing immune problems?

    I am such a mess. I have seen numerous doctors and just keep getting tossed around. I'm not sure, but beginning to think my implants may be the cause? I have severe back troubles, herniated discs, arthritis, ddd. My skin on my arms and legs is porokeratosis, an immune disease. I only started getting it when I had my 2nd back surgery in March, just prior to it the rash started. I've read over exposure to xrays can cause it? I've had so---many. I have pain in my pelvic area, nothing there since I had a hysterectomy. I just had a colonoscopy and it was fine. I am so tired, no energy at all. I also have psoriasis on my scalp and ears. I can't find a doctor to help me! they seem to only have ability to deal with one topic and even then they don't have a clue, my dermatologist didn't even know what porokeratosis was! I did have a high ana several yrs ago but it tested ok now. I think I may call the Mayo clinic tomorrow, do you think doctors there are any better??
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    Old 12-30-2003, 11:44 AM   #2
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    Re: breast implants causing immune problems?

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    I am such a mess. I have seen numerous doctors and just keep getting tossed around. I'm not sure, but beginning to think my implants may be the cause? I have severe back troubles, herniated discs, arthritis, ddd. My skin on my arms and legs is porokeratosis, an immune disease. I only started getting it when I had my 2nd back surgery in March, just prior to it the rash started. I've read over exposure to xrays can cause it? I've had so---many. I have pain in my pelvic area, nothing there since I had a hysterectomy. I just had a colonoscopy and it was fine. I am so tired, no energy at all. I also have psoriasis on my scalp and ears. I can't find a doctor to help me! they seem to only have ability to deal with one topic and even then they don't have a clue, my dermatologist didn't even know what porokeratosis was! I did have a high ana several yrs ago but it tested ok now. I think I may call the Mayo clinic tomorrow, do you think doctors there are any better??

    I feel my silicone implants ruined my health too. After 13 years of getting more sick each year, I finally had them removed last August. The surgeon found the left one ruptured and the silicone had migrated elsewhere in my body. She removed a capsule of it from my lower chest and removed lymph nodes with silicone in them. I suffer from severe Migraine, nausea, dizzy and confused. For many years I have been telling my husband that something is poisoning me.
    I have now been diagnosed with autoimmune hearing loss and I am showing signs of what could be early kidney disease. I developed very bad osteoarthitis soon after the implants and I have had back surgery. My ENT has ask me to go to a good Rhumatologist or Immunologist. I am very fearful of having Lupus.
    As far as Mayo Clinic, I went there and was very disappointed. That does not mean that you won't do well there. I went to Mayo Clinic, Northwestern in Chicago and Virginia Mason in Seattle and I found no answers. They all refused to connect my implants to any of my illness.
    I have also became very chemically intolerant. I become very ill when exposed to any chemical. I can't even eat any food that has chemicals of any kind in it.
    I hope you are feeling better...
    Sophina :-)

     
    Old 12-30-2003, 01:15 PM   #3
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    Thank you Sophia for sharing. I'm so sorry you are dealing with all that! I have saline implants, but I hear they can do damage too. I had my first ones removed due to severe cap constriction and adhesions, I wonder now if the reason they got so deformed was due to breakage? or mold etc. We are so vulnerable to our doctors, then we put our lives in their hands under anesthia... Did your problems get better after removal?
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    Old 01-01-2004, 09:33 PM   #4
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    I don't have implants, but I do have a theory about why implants cause problems...

    Your immune system is designed to fight and attack foreign substances in the body. This is how you are able to heal from a cut, or get well after you have the flu...

    When you have a cut, your immune system kicks in and invades the area around the cut... when a cut is dirty (soil, shard of plastic, piece of glass under your skin, germs) the area gets inflammed and red and *****... it's gross... but your immune system is not designed to 'kill' dirt and soil and glass... but it keeps fighting and attacking the area anyway because it knows that there is something there that doesn't belong there... and then your finger gets swolen and turns a bright shade of red- thats the 'alarm' to you that there is something in there that the immune system can't kill..

    Now imagine sticking a giant hunk of plastic under your skin and into your breast... guess what your immune system does to that?... The only difference is that you don't see the inflamation and redness because it is so far under the skin... (you will see scar tissue if you have surgery to look inside though)... the surgeon will tell you that the scar tissue is from the original surgery... but a lot of the scar tissue is because your immune system attacked the fake boob and destroyed all the surrounding tissue in the process...

    Meanwhile, when you get a cold or the flu, you get sicker than other people and you stay sicker for longer... why? because your immune system is still busy attacking your breast... so it takes longer to fight the flu for you... then (at some point) your immune system gets so used to being in high gear all the time that it can't turn itself off (then you get an autoimmune disease, where your immune system starts attacking healthy tissue for no reason)...

    ...and the immune system is still attacking the fake breast though... that's why I think some of them break, because your immune system just beats the "poopy" out of them...

    People who get an organ transplant have to take anti-rejection drugs for the rest of their life because other wise their immune system would kill the donated organ (since it is a foreign substance in the body)... even a vital organ that the immune system doesn't recognize as your own will get attacked.... again, imagine what it does to plastic breasts....

    I am sooo sorry that both of you are suffering because of this. I really wish that doctors would start to realize how bad these implants are (it's all about the money though)...

    I truly hope that both of you are able to recover and feel better... and I apologize if I went a bit overboard... I hate that implants are ruining the health of women all over the world, and it makes me sooo mad that the doctors won't even acknowledge that the implants are the problem...

    I wish you the best,
    ~Wittesea

     
    Old 01-02-2004, 04:17 AM   #5
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    Thanks Witt., it sure does make sence! I wonder if they were removed if the problems would go away? or is the damage permenant? I would hate to take them out and still be hurting. I would love to hear from others who have had it done and feel better!
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    Thanks Witt., it sure does make sence! I wonder if they were removed if the problems would go away? or is the damage permenant? I would hate to take them out and still be hurting. I would love to hear from others who have had it done and feel better!
    I had my silicone implants removed in August of last year, after 14 years of becoming more sick each year. They found one of them ruptured and the liquid silicone was mostly gone. The surgeon removed a tumor of silicone from my lower chest and lymph nodes with silicone tumors in them. I was told the liquid silicone was all through my body. Especially my brain, lungs and liver. I have been told by many doctors that I will never be rid of the silicone. It continues to cause me problems. Yes, as the silicone is everywhere in my body, I feel my immune system is on high gear all the time and attacking my organs as it tries to get the silicone out of my body. I have also became very chemically intolerant as my body is so overloaded. Even small traces of chemicals in foods or airborne cause me to become very ill. I am still extremely happy that I had them removed, before the other one ruptured and I have another 2 cups or so of liquid silicone running through my veins. You notice I call it liquid silicone... the silicone that is oozing out of my removed implants is watery. I think it has broken down do to age and reactions in my body. In my body the escaped silicone formed pools and these little pools are what I called tumors. They are surrounded by fatty tissue and the silicone is a yellow color. I have recently been losing my hearing and my ENT says I have autoimmune ear disease. My kidneys are also showing signs of early kidney failure and I have been referred to a specialist to see if I have Lupus. All in the name of "beauty" How sad. I have done everything I can to stop the cosmetic industry from bringing back the silicone implant, but so far it doesn't look good. If they bring them back, I am afraid they will again see thousands of very ill women. I suppose they will still deny the silicone connection. All for MONEY... GOD help us all.

     
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    Hi Sophina! I am so sorry you're dealing with all this. Do you think, my saline, implants can do same damage? The outside is silicone. My 1st implants got so deformed and painful, I wonder when he took them out if he was not able to cut out all of the implant? that may be why I am suffering so...maybe its still in there? Is there anyway to breakdown silicone? I just want these out!!!! no more, if I don't have big boobs so what! hey maybe I'll look thinner again!lol I have thinking very hard on this, and when I do it I am opting to have one more thing done: face lift. If he can at the same time. I have a slanted neck, chin, no indenture. I have been so embarrassed all my life by this family trait. I can't wear my hair up, no profile ever of me and now as I age its worse! So maybe goodness will come out of all this, 2 for the pain of one! God, if we could only unite and not worry about cosmetics so much! I know I would never wanted bigger boobs for ME, it was my Ex-husb that made me feel so indadequet! I always said I would never add to my body, only take away bad things! so this is the price I paid! We are so careful about nutrition, diet, exercise then we go do this ! for money to doctors that thrive on our ignorance!!!! they are laughing all the way to the bank
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    Re: breast implants causing immune problems?

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    Hi Sophina! I am so sorry you're dealing with all this. Do you think, my saline, implants can do same damage? The outside is silicone. My 1st implants got so deformed and painful, I wonder when he took them out if he was not able to cut out all of the implant? that may be why I am suffering so...maybe its still in there? Is there anyway to breakdown silicone? I just want these out!!!! no more, if I don't have big boobs so what! hey maybe I'll look thinner again!lol I have thinking very hard on this, and when I do it I am opting to have one more thing done: face lift. If he can at the same time. I have a slanted neck, chin, no indenture. I have been so embarrassed all my life by this family trait. I can't wear my hair up, no profile ever of me and now as I age its worse! So maybe goodness will come out of all this, 2 for the pain of one! God, if we could only unite and not worry about cosmetics so much! I know I would never wanted bigger boobs for ME, it was my Ex-husb that made me feel so indadequet! I always said I would never add to my body, only take away bad things! so this is the price I paid! We are so careful about nutrition, diet, exercise then we go do this ! for money to doctors that thrive on our ignorance!!!! they are laughing all the way to the bank
    The surgeon who removed my silicone implants told me that they had one patient who had saline implants and she ended up in a wheel-chair. After she had them removed, she got better. It's my understanding that the case of the saline implant is silicone and the oil goes out into the body. I read once somewhere that after a woman gets a silicone implant of any kind,,that she will have traces of silicone all through her body within 24 hours. I have had several doctors tell me that I will never be able to rid my body of the silicone that's lost in my organs. I will have to live with the damage the rest of my life. (How ever long that is) You had silicone implants first?? You might get a copy of the operative report and see if they got all of it out. I have heard stories of women having silicone implants rupture and the whole thing just disolved into their body.
    I searched the internet for the best to remove mine so that I could get rid of all the silicone that I could. They removed them encapsule. Meaning they took out the scar around it too. That stopped any more of the silicone from escaping into my body.
    Good luck and God bless,
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    Old 01-02-2004, 12:41 PM   #9
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    Thanks Sophina! I am going forward with this. I hope its not too late. I want these OUT!!!! I only pray that goodness will come out of it. This porokeratosis disease is so UGLY. I am single, my past relationships, marrigage were a JOKE. I want my LIFE back. No more for anyone else, ME is gotta live this life not anyone else. So Happy New Year, God Bless. Luv, cj
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