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carisa789 08-21-2006 06:52 PM

need encouragement, getting first lap!
Hi girls, my husband and I are both 28 yrs old. We have been trying to conceive for about two years now. I have had the hsg test, things seemed fine. I have been putting off the laparoscopy now for a year because I am so terrified of it. I have extremely bad cramps and pain during sex. My dr. thinks I have endometriosis. Can I hear some GOOD experiences so I could stop freaking myself out. I am having it two weeks from tomorrow. Thank you!

Oh, and did anyone get pregnant finally soon afterward from their lap? Did anyone get some relief from all of the pain of having endometriosis?

cmarie313 08-21-2006 07:06 PM

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Hello! Let me start by saying, I was also petrified of having the lap done and so I never was going to do one. I had the hsg done and it was all fine. I went through 6 months of clomid and 2 rounds of injections with inseminations. I was pregnant once, but it ended in miscarriage in July '05. This summer I got a hernia in my belly button so I decided to have the lap done at the same time (kill two birds with one stone). My doctor didn't think he would find anything because I did not have the symptoms of endo (except pain during sex). On July 18th I had the surgeries and ends up that I had stage 2 endo (out of the 4 stages) and an adhesion on my left ovary. My fertility doctor removed it all and seems confident that it could have contributed a great deal to the infertility (we have been ttc for 2 years now). We are trying this month naturally (no injections or IUI) and if it doesn't work, we will do the injections next month with IUI. I should find out around Aug. 30 or 31st if I am pregnant.
I wish I would have had the surgery a long time ago because I could have possibly saved myself from having to take all the drugs. It was a huge missing piece to this infertility puzzle and I kick myself that I didn't do it sooner. I was very scared but it all ends up being ok. I was really sore for about 4 or 5 days but then you are alright. I am sure that everyone heals differently but with them removing all the endo and adhesion, that adds to the recovery as well. The worst part was the gas that they fill your chest and belly with. It settles in your shoulders and is a weird kind of pain. Your stomach muscles are very sore but each day they feel better and better.
Oh yeah, when we had sex for the first time after the pain!!!! That was pretty crazy and exciting:)
I guess what I am saying, is even though it is not a pleasant thing to go through, I would do it again in a heartbeat because it gave me so many answers that I didn't have without the surgery!!!!! So, I wish you the best of luck and if I can answer any more questions please let me know!

TryN2BMommy 08-22-2006 06:05 AM

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Hi Carisa, :wave:

I have to agree with Cmarie. I would do another lap in a heartbeat. And actually, I probably will end up having another one before all is said and done...

We have been trying for over 3 years now, and we finally decided to see a dr. My HSG came back inconclusive - the dye didn't even enter my tubes. I decided to go ahead with the lap, and it was not bad at all. I mean, I slept through the whole thing, and when I woke up, I was just sore in my belly. I didnt' even have any of the gas pains that so many women talk about. I rested in bed for about 2 days and then I was back up and at it! Slowly at first, but it really wasn't that bad.

Now, for the results. It turns out I am missing one tube (had to be removed because of a tubal pregnancy from a previous relationship) and the remaining tube is blocked. So, with no working tubes, we could have tried forever - it wasn't going to happen. I also had endo (don't know what stage). My dr got rid of the endo, and I have an appt with an RE (my first one :D ) to see about getting my remaining tube unblocked.

Okay, enough about me. It's totally understandable to be nervous about the lap, but it is more than worth it to get the answers that you need. Best of luck to you as you prepare for it. And, like Cmarie said, feel free to ask any other questions. I'd be glad to answer them.


Miss Sully 08-24-2006 05:46 PM

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I had a lap done in June. We had been TTC for about a year when we set it up as they were seeing something suspicious on my u/s, but couldn't determine what it was. Turns out I had a severly blocked fallopian tube due to a ruptured ovarian cyst. It was so damaged they ended up removing it. In and of itself, I didn't have many problems w/the lap. I didn't have the shoulder pain many complain of. Just alot of bloating for 2-3 weeks. The only incision that was real sore after the 1st couple days was the one they went through to remove my tube b/c they did alot of extra tugging and work there. I too am glad I had it done as we could have wasted alot of time and expense on various other treatments. We're still dealing with a bit of MF, but everything else w/me tests out ok. Keep us posted on your decision and best of luck!

rbettis 08-24-2006 06:33 PM

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here is my input, I had a [I]Laporoscopy[/I] done and they found out I had [I] endometriosis[/I]. I was surprised because I didn't have any symptoms. Only that the day before of my period my legs would hurt (no biggy, i thought it was normal). Well, at the end I was also having pain during sex. I found that very odd.

I was treated with [I]Lupron[/I] for 4 months (where they stop your period). Much better. I still have the slightly leg pain before my period but i don't have the sex pain anymore (well, maybe every now and then i do, but it is not really something to be concerned). DH and I have found positions that would help :D.

That Dr then did 4 [I]IUI[/I] which failed. Changed Drs and I went to a better Reproductory specialist. He then did a [I]hysterosalpingogram (HSG), [/I]an x-ray of the uterus and fallopian tubes and they find out my fallopian tubes were totally plugged due to the [I]endometriosis.[/I] We started [I]IVF[/I] right after.

The surgery is not bad. You should not be scared. I think my ER hurt more after word. The scission in the belly button is so small that you can't hardly see it. I think if you want to get pregnant and you do have [I]endometriosis[/I], you need to move fast and not postpone it.

rbettis 08-24-2006 06:39 PM

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I forgot to mention, endometriosis is a hormonal problem. It does not get cured until you have your menopause. However, Dr can control it.

Many people find relief after LAP or after Lupron treatment. I think mine got better. But I was told it can come back, in one, two, three years... no one knows.

ravaemarie 08-25-2006 09:10 AM

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Carisa - I have had 4 laps since 1993 - 2 in the last year. With my first, they found endometriosis, removed it with a laser and put me on lupron for 6 months. In 1998, with a new doctor, I had another lap (due to pain), and again endo was found but this doctor chose to cut it out instead of using a laser, he said it was less likely to come back. No lupron this time (Thank goodness, I hated it!). Different doctors have different opinions about treatments, this doctor did not believe in using lupron - didn't feel it did any good. Then in Sep '05 I had another lap after 1 1/2 years of infertility treatments (Clomid and IUI's). Same doctor as the last lap - found "nothing that would interfere with conception". Referred me to an RE - did 1 round of IUI with Injectibles - BFN - RE told me my next option was IVF. For more than one reason, this is not the right choice for us AND I want to know why I am not able to conceive and FIX the problem instead of bypassing it - there is obviously something wrong, as I am constatly in pain and have history of endo and pcos.
So - again I switched doctors and had my 4th lap in July '06, less than a year after the last one. This doctor found several things that could be a major factor in my infertility - I won't go into it unless you want me to - but the good news is that they are all things that can be "fixed". I will have my 5th (and hopefully last) sugery in December and this doctor feels after the surgery and dealing with a couple of other minor problems (thyroid and possible infection) we will have a 60-70% chance of conceiving "naturally" when all is said and done.
I know I just went on and on about myself, but I want to let you know that the lap is not a bad thing. The pain is very minimal and the diagnostic reasons are so great and if you can find a "problem" or reason for not being able to conceive, it is all worth it. When we switched to our current doctor, I was soooo frustrated when he told me that I needed to have another lap - within a year of the last one - I was totally convinced that he would find nothing, after all, I just had this surgery and that doctor didn't find anything (how could that change in less than a year?) - boy was I wrong on that one. I am so glad that we decided to stick with this doctor and go through with the lap - although I will go through yet another surgery, I know it will be worth it in the end with my chances of conceiving going from 1-2% to 60-70%.

I am sorry for the long post - guess I needed to get some of that out ;)

Best of luck to you and please keep us posted on your diagnosis and progress!


carisa789 08-28-2006 06:55 PM

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Thank you to everyone that has responded. I just got back from a little trip to see my brother so I am now here reading all the replies. I'm so glad that everyone says it is easy. I have been putting it off now for about a year. I am having my lap done on Sept. 5th, which is this coming Tuesday. I can't wait to get it over with. Does anyone know of anyone that has gotten pregnant after their laparoscopy? I'm really hoping it will help me.

Ravaemarie-You said your doc found several things that were contributing to your infertility. Just wondering what they were. Curious as to what kinds of things they could find.

rbettis-I agree, endometriosis is horrible. I have had several docs tell me they are pretty sure I have it, I'm actually looking forward to the proof. I have the pain during sex, the terrible cramps during the whole length of my period. They are unbearable. I'm really hoping the laparoscopy will get rid of all the pain I am in.

Thank you,

ravaemarie 08-28-2006 08:42 PM

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Carisa - It sounds to me like you have endo for sure! Those are all of the symptoms that I have, and although they do not completly go away after the surgery - they are at least bearable.

To answer your question - the doctor found endo in several spots, including pretty severe endo on my left tube, my left ovary is adhered to my uterine wall due to endo scarring, my ovaries are 3X the size they are supposed to be and my tubes had a lot of pressure in them, so he pushed dye through them (like an HSG) to open them up. I also have minor PCOS. I am having surgery in December to get rid of the endo, remove the adhesion from my ovary and remove my ovary from the uterine wall and he is going to perform a "wedge resection" of my ovaries where they cut out a triangle in the center of the ovary and sew it back together. It's something that is not done much anymore, but he said he is very confident that it will make a difference for me.

There are also some other symptoms that we are working on getting figured out. He thinks I may have a Thyroid problem, which is treatable if we can determine the problem for sure. Also a possible infection that DH and I are passing back and forth to one another OR the beta-endorphins in my brain are telling my body that my egg and DH's sperm are foreign objects and killing them off before they meet or even after fertilization occurs. No way to really know for sure, but he will treat me for it and see what comes of it.

Usually with Infertility there is more than one "problem" per say. Like with me, there are many things that could be contributing to the IF so I am soooo happy that we have found a doctor that wants to treat them all, instead of just by-passing them.

I hope you find some answers with your lap. If I were a betting person, I'd put a lot of money on you having endo - it sounds like you have all the classic symptoms. If so, I am sure they will be able to get rid of it for you and hopefully make your life easier!!! At least get rid of some of the pain for you, if nothing else!!

Keep us posted. I'm anxious to know how it all turns out for you! I'll keep you in my prayers.


carisa789 08-29-2006 10:37 AM

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Wow, a possible infection that can be passed back and forth? That's interesting. I also have a thyroid problem. I have hashimotot's thyroiditis, which is basically where my body thinks my thyroid is a foreign object and it sends antibodies to kill it off. Kind of strange, but supposedly it is under control with medication right now. I hope you get that all straightened out because thyroid issues do affect fertility. It's amazing how many things can interfere with fertility. I'm really hoping they can find something. I'm pretty sure I have endo due to all of the pain I am in. It is so bad. My doctor says he thinks he can even feel some endo patches on my cervix. I will keep you posted on what he finds. I can't wait!:yawn:


carisa789 08-29-2006 10:39 AM

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oops, I meant to say hashimoto's thyroiditis

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