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    Old 06-06-2003, 01:29 PM   #1
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    Angry FSH Level after Clomid Challenge Test

    Ok, CD3 my FSH was 10.2, E2 was 46. On CD 10 my FSH was 11.4. ***!!!!! I don't see my RE until Sunday. (I have an U/S to see if the Clomid I was on produced a follie) I am feeling more like I have an egg quality / quantity issue. I will find out more on Sunday. What a way to begin a weekend. I sure hope I am a candiate for IVF. I am thinking egg donor is in my future. http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/hammer.gif Anyone here have high FSH with a successful pregnancy? I also want the not so good info as well. thanks

     
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    Old 06-06-2003, 06:06 PM   #2
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    Hi MaryAnn,

    Don't lose hope! I had an extremely high FSH for a long time. It was the majority of the reason that I walked away from doing any more infertility workups, etc. I didn't find much helpful information but what I did find was promising and has most possibly paid off (I'm currently 8 weeks pregnant). Wheat Grass is good for lowering FSH levels. There was another one too, but I can't think of it off hand. I want to say Alfalfa.

    LOTS of luck to you!

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    Old 06-06-2003, 06:22 PM   #3
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    Hi Pumpkin, Thanks for the reply, tell me... what was your FSH levels?, how old are ya girl? How did you conceive? IVF, Natural, IUI??? What meds did u take? Sorry all the ?'s I'm just a bit nervous. Congrats of the 8 weeks! I've been reading your posts and I'm sooooo happy for you. XOXO Mar

     
    Old 06-06-2003, 06:37 PM   #4
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    I was only 28 at the time. I honestly don't remember what my FSH was but I know that one RE said it was extremely high and then within about 3 months I had changed RE's and then that one also said that it was too high. They never did rule out the possibility of IVF donor egg but they did tell me that it was definitely a sign of low ovarian reserve and/or poor egg quality. When I got that news I was just depressed. THERE IS HOPE though!

    I actually ended up conceiving naturally. It took us 12 years, but we did it! YOU CAN DO IT! Oh geesh, you know what I think of when I write and read that? Remember the movie Waterboy? At the end when the rednecks are screaming that? LOL

    Let me see if I can find my medical records and I'll post my FSH levels each time.
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    Old 06-06-2003, 06:42 PM   #5
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    Me again!

    I just looked......your FSH at 11 is not bad. I show in my records that anything below 13 is good. Mine was registering around 14-20 in various draws. My major problems were my Estrogen. Those were coming in at 946!!!!!!! Very bad. (Normal is 0-54)

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    Old 06-06-2003, 08:20 PM   #6
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    Thanks soooooo much pumpkin. What a miracle you have growing inside you! I get chills just thinking how very lucky you are to be so blessed. I see my RE on Sunday for u/s to see if there is a follie from the Clomid, after the CCCT. I have read that the odds for pregnancy with high FSH "naturally" is greater than IVF. Since the follies are so fragile, they wouldn't survive in labratory settings. Better odds of the follie surviving is to conceive naturally. Thanks again my friend!

     
    Old 06-07-2003, 05:49 AM   #7
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    Hi Maryann

    I guess Pumpkin's news is good right? both you and I are under 14 so maybe there is a light at the end of the tunnel. I just turned 40 so I think that is why they suggested IVF. I am still trying this month on my own but don't have real high hopes. I guess I am going to have to shell out the money to have a baby. They never said anything about my estrogen so I guess it is ok. I am going to buy the wheatgrass like she said. I am on vitex right now so I guess I will supplement the wheatgrass. Pumpkin- how much should I take???

     
    Old 06-07-2003, 06:08 AM   #8
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    TMER Girl! What are your FSH levels? Every time you baseline they always check for FSH E2 and some other stuff. I am 32 and I already feel like I am running out of time! I guess that's why my doc recommends IVF. I told him I wanted to do the CCCT first so I would know for sure whats up with the follie factor! Since I am not high, but fair to borderline, I think my follies may stand a chance going through IVF. I will find out tomorrow what my RE thinks... I am going out today to get some wheatgrass. At this point, I'd swallow tar if it did the trick

     
    Old 06-07-2003, 06:22 AM   #9
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    TMER where are you in your cycle right now? I am on CD 12. . . if I do IVF it will be beg of July! It's funny, I don't know if you believe in psychics?.... But a few years ago I had a couple of readings from 2 different ladies. . I was desperate to find out what my fate was for bearing children. My DH thought I was crazy, but I needed an answer. Both readers told me I would have twins a boy and a girl. I just keep holding onto that! I sure hope they are right

     
    Old 06-07-2003, 06:48 AM   #10
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    Heres some TWIN BABY DUST for ya Mare!
    Good Luck this cycle!

     
    Old 06-07-2003, 07:03 AM   #11
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    Tanks a ton Mare! SH** after the IVF, if I get twins, me and DH and the 2 bugg 'ers will have to move into a shack! I haven't really thought much after having babies! We'll be eatin' PORK AND BEANS EVERYNIGHT! LMFAO!

     
    Old 06-07-2003, 07:31 AM   #12
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    I can't remember the exact number but they were in the range of 9-11.2 I thought that was really high and both re's were concerned about it but now after pumpkin's post I am not sure! My RE can't really say what my chances are as I am not a normal statistic since I had a dd 13 years ago with my ex-JO!!(use your imagination for what it stands for). Anyway, I had a lap in oct. and got my endo cleaned out and I have a 2nd HSG scheduled for Thursday which will be cd 12 for me. I am hoping they blow all the cobwebs out then and DH and I can BD all weekend and hopefully something will happen before the IVF. I told my RE that I didn't want triplets and she said don't worry about that, you will be lucky to get one! I wouldn't mind twins but will be happy with one! I am picking up my wheatgrass this afternoon!!

     
    Old 06-07-2003, 07:57 AM   #13
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    This is really long but look what I found on the web. this stuff even makes you lose weight!!!!!!

    WHEATGRASS... Increases red blood cell count, lowers blood pressure...It cleanses the blood, organs and gastrointestinal tract of debris. It stimulates metabolism and bodily enzyme systems in enriching the blood by increasing red blood cell count, and in dilating the blood pathways throughout the body, reducing blood pressure.

    Stimulates the thyroid, correcting obesity, indigestion, etc. The thyroid gland is also stimulated and normalized by the use of wheat grass juice - an important step toward the correction of obesity, indigestion and a host of other complaints.

    Restores alkalinity to the blood...Wheatgrass has an alkalizing effect on the blood. Its abundance of alkaline min­erals helps reduce overacidity in the blood. It can be used to relieve many inter­nal pains. It has been used successfully to treat peptic ulcers, ulcerative colitis, constipation, diarrhea, and other complaints of the gastrointestinal tract.

    How to drink it...Ann Wigmore suggests drinking Wheatgrass juice in small amounts throughout the course of the day, always on an empty or nearly empty stomach. In general, two to four ounces every day or every other day is sufficient. Slowly sipping small quantities of the juice gives your body an opportunity to get used to its taste and effect. Taking one to two-ounce drinks straight or mixed with other juices (fruit & vegetable) and sipping slowly, will help prevent nausea or stom­ach upset. On a healing regime, Ann suggests you drink one or two oz up to 3 or 4 x a day. And to take one day of rest.

    Powerful detoxifier and liver and blood protector...The enzymes and amino acids found in Wheatgrass can protect us from carcinogens like no other food or medicine can. It strengthens our cells, detoxifies the liver, bloodstream, and chemically neutralizes environmental pollutants.

    Fights tumors and neutralizes toxins....Recent studies show that Wheatgrass juice has a powerful ability to fight tumors without the usual toxicity of drugs that also inhibit cell-destroying agents. The many active compounds found in grass juice can cleanse the blood and neutralize and digest toxins in our cells.

    Whether you have a cut finger you want to heal or you desire to lose five pounds...enzymes must do the actual work. The life and abilities of the enzymes found naturally in our bodies can be extended if we help them from the outside by adding exogenous enzymes, like the ones found in Wheatgrass juice.

    Remarkable similarity to our own blood...The 2nd important nutritional aspect of chlorophyll is its remarkable similarity' to hemoglobin, the compound that carries oxygen in the blood. Dr. Hagiwara a Japanese science and health educator, is a leading advocate for the use of grass as food and medicine. He reasons that since chlorophyll is soluble in fat particles, and since fat particles are absorbed directly in to the blood via the lymphatic system, that chlorophyll can also be absorbed in this way. In other words, when the "blood" of plants is absorbed in humans it is transformed into human blood, which transports nutrients to every cell of the body.

    Wheatgrass implants reverse damage from inside the lower bowel...In the case of illness, they stimulate a rapid cleansing of the lower bowel and draw out accumulations of debris. Hold for 20 minutes.

    Externally eliminates itching almost immediately...Wheatgrass juice externally applied to the skin can help eliminate itching al­most immediately.

    It will soothe sunburned skin...and also acts as a disinfectant. Rubbed into the scalp before a shampoo, it will help mend damaged hair and alleviate itchy, scaly scalp conditions.

    Wheatgrass juice is soothing and healing for...cuts, burns, scrapes, rashes, poison ivy, athlete's foot, insect bites, boils, sores , open ulcers, tumors & so on.

    As a sleep aid...merely place a tray of living Wheatgrass near the head of your bed. It will en­hance the oxygen in the air and generate healthful negative ions to help you sleep more soundly. Use as a poultice and replace every two to four hours.

    Add some to your bath water...and settle in for a nice, long soak.

    Gargle with wheatgrass...to sweeten the breath and firm up and tighten gums.

    Don't cook it...We can only get the benefits of the many enzymes found in grass by eating it uncooked. Cooking destroys 100 percent of the enzymes in food.

    Neutralizes toxins...Wheatgrass neutralizes toxic substances like cadmium, nicotine, strontium, mercury and polyvinyl chloride.

    The benefits of a liquid oxygen transfusion...Wheatgrass juice contains liquid oxygen. Oxygen is vital to many body pro­cesses: it stimulates digestion (the oxidation of food), clearer thinking (the brain utilizes 25 percent of the bodily oxygen supply), and protective oxygenation of the blood (a defense against anaerobic bacteria). Cancer cells cannot exist in the presence of oxygen.

    Turns gray hair to its natural color again, raises energy levels...Daily consumption of Wheatgrass and sprouts can turn gray hair to its natural color again, and give you a limitless energy level.

    Beauty treatment that slows down the aging process...Wheatgrass will cleanse your blood and help rejuvenate aging cells, slowing the aging process down, way down, making you feel more alive now. It will help tighten loose and sagging skin.

    Lessens effect of radiation...One enzyme found in Wheatgrass, SOD, lessens the effects of radiation and acts as an anti-inflammatory compound that may prevent cellular damage fol­lowing heart attacks or exposure to irritants.

    Restores fertility...Wheatgrass restores fertility and promotes youthfulness.

    Just soaking in it can double your red blood cell count...Dr. Bernard Jensen, found that none of the blood builders are superior to green juices and Wheatgrass. In his book Chlorophyll Magic from Living Plant Life, he mentions several cases where he was able to double the red blood cell count in a matter of days merely by having patients soak in a chlorophyll-water bath. Blood building results occur even more rapidly when patients drink green juices and Wheatgrass regularly.

    Ann Wigmore on her own experience with wheatgrass...At fifty years of age my hair was gray, I had a terrible case of colitis and other colon problems, I suffered from low energy and had no clear direction in life. Out of desperation I turned to nature for relief. ...In Wheatgrass, raw foods and exercise, I found what I feel is as close to the fountain of youth as we are going to get. Twenty-five years after my discovery, my hair was turned fully natural brown again. My weight has been a stable 119 and my energy level is limitless...

    What's So Great About Wheat Grass Juice?*

    1. Wheatgrass juice is 70% chlorophyll.

    2. Chlorophyll is the first product of light and con­tains more light energy than any other element.

    3. Wheatgrass juice is a crude chlorophyll and can be taken orally and as a colon implant without toxic side effects.

    4. Chlorophyll is the basis of all plant life.

    5. Wheatgrass is high in oxygen like all green plants that contain chlorophyll. The brain and all body tissues function at an optimal level in a highly-oxygenated environment.

    6. Chlorophyll is anti-bacterial and can be used inside and outside the body as a healer.

    7. Dr. Bernard Jensen says that it only takes min­utes to digest Wheatgrass juice and uses up very little body energy.

    8. Science has proven that chlorophyll arrests growth and development of unfriendly bacteria.

    9. Chlorophyll (Wheatgrass) rebuilds the blood­stream. Studies of various animals have shown chlorophyll to be free of any toxic reaction. The red cell count was returned to normal with 4 to 5 days of the administration of chlorophyll, even in those animals which were known to be ex­tremely anemic or low in red cell count.

    10. Farmers in the Midwest who have sterile cows and bulls put them on Wheatgrass to restore fertility. (The high magnesium content in chloro­phyll builds enzymes that restore the sex hor­mones.)

    11. Chlorophyll can be extracted from many plants, but Wheatgrass is superior because it has been found to have over 100 elements needed by man. If grown in organic soil, it ab­sorbs 92 of the known 102 minerals from the soil.

    12. Wheatgrass has what is called the grass juice factor, which has been shown to keep herbivo­rous animals alive indefinitely.

    13. Dr. Ann Wigmore has been helping people get well from chronic disorders for 30 years using Wheatgrass.

    14. Liquid chlorophyll gets into the tissues, refines them, and makes them over.

    15. Wheatgrass juice is a superior detoxification agent compared to carrot juice and other fruits and vegetables. Dr. Earp Thomas, associate of Ann Wigmore, says that 15 pounds of Wheatgrass is the equivalent of 350 pounds of carrots, lettuce, celery and so on.

    16. Liquid chlorophyll washes drug deposits from the body.

    17. Chlorophyll neutralizes toxins in the body.

    18. Chlorophyll helps purify the liver.

    19. Chlorophyll improves blood sugar problems.

    20. Wheatgrass juice cures acne and even removes scars after it has been ingested for seven to eight months. The diet must be improved at the same time.

    21. In The American Journal of Surgery (1940), Benjamin Cruskin. M.D. recommended chlorophyll: to clear up foul-smelling odors, neutralize strep infections, heal wounds, hasten skin grafting, cure chronic sinusitis, over­come chronic inner-ear inflammation and infec­tions, reduce varicose veins and heal leg ulcers, eliminate impetigo and other scabby eruptions, heal rectal sores, successfully treat inflammation of the uterine cervix, get rid of parasitic vaginal infections, reduce typhoid fever, and cure advanced pyorrhea in many cases.

    22. Wheatgrass juice acts as a detergent in the body and is used as a body deodorant.

    23. A small amount of Wheatgrass juice in the human diet prevents tooth decay.

    24. Wheatgrass juice held in the mouth for 5 minutes will eliminate toothaches and poisons from gums.

    25. Gargle with wheatgrass juice for a sore throat.

    26. Pyorrhea of the mouth: lay pulp of Wheatgrass soaked in juice on diseased area in mouth or chew Wheatgrass. Spit out out pulp.

    27. Drink Wheatgrass juice for skin problems such as eczema or psoriasis.

    28. Wheatgrass juice keeps the hair from graying.

    29. By taking Wheatgrass juice, one may feel a difference in strength, endurance, health, and spiritual­ity and experience a sense of well-being.

    30. Wheatgrass juice improves the digestion.

    31. It is great for blood disorders of all kinds. 32. Wheatgrass juice is high in enzymes.

    33. Wheatgrass juice is an excellent skin cleanser and can be absorbed through the skin for nutrition. Pour green juice over your body in a tub of warm water and soak for 15 to 20 minutes. Rinse off with cool water.

    34. Wheatgrass implants (enemas) are great for healing and detoxifying the colon walls. The implants also heal and cleanse the internal organs. After an enema, wait 20 minutes, then implant 4-ounces of Wheatgrass juice. Retain or 20 minutes.

    35. Wheatgrass juice is great for constipation and keeping the bowels open. It is high in magnesium.

    36. Dr. Birscher a research scientist, called chlorophyll "concentrated sun power." He said, “Chlorophyll increases the function of the heart, affects the vascular system, the intestines, the uterus and the lungs."

    37. According to Dr. Birscher, nature uses chlorophyll (Wheatgrass) as a body cleanser, rebuilder and neutralizer of toxins.

    38. Wheatgrass juice can dissolve the scars that are formed in the lungs from breathing acid gasses. The effect of carbon monoxide is minimized since chlorophyll increases hemoglobin production.

    39. Wheatgrass juice reduces high blood pressure as it enhances the capillaries.

    40. Wheatgrass juice can remove heavy metals from the body.

     
    Old 06-07-2003, 11:09 AM   #14
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    Thanks A TON, just printed the wheatgrass info I got my advice back from Dr. Roseff (NJ) After I talk to my RE tomorrow to see what the success rates are. . . DH and I are talking about coming to NJ to see the Doc.Roseff If I do, I will come and have a drink with you Jersey gals!

    Your CCCT is consistent with diminished ovarian reserve. Your odds of
    success will be generally lower than that of an average 32 year old, but
    I can't say how much lower since there are other factors that must be
    taken into account when we look at IVF success rates. Some programs,
    for example, have a MUCH higher success rate compared to other centers.
    Given your diminished ovarian reserve, it would obviously be in your
    best interest to undergo IVF at a center that has the highest success
    rate you can afford.

    I can't recommend drugs for you since you're not a patient under my
    care. I would, however, use a modified and aggressive protocol reserved
    for women who have diminished ovarian reserve.

    Wishing you success!
    Dr. Roseff, Director W.E. C.A.R.E.
    Have you seen OUR phenomenal IVF success rates at: [url="http://www.reproendo.com/ivfsuccess.htm"]http://www.reproendo.com/ivfsuccess.htm[/url] ???
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    I am 32 and just finished the CCCT test. My FSH on CD 3 was 10.2 E2 was
    46. My CD 10 FSH just came back it was a 11.4. What are my chances for a
    successful pregnancy through IVF. I had one ripe follie on 7 amps of
    repronex. My Dr. will put me on 10 amps of Gonal F or Follistim. Which
    drug do you recommend?


     
    Old 06-07-2003, 03:03 PM   #15
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    Hi

    I saw that he had answered you personally and was very impressed. My friend that referred me to him said that he really is wonderful and has great success rates! I would love to meet you if you came to NJ! I didn't get to the health food store today because our roads are flooded around here due to the rain, rain, rain!! I will try and get there tomorrow. It looks like the wheatgrass is good for alot of things! Good luck at your appt. tomorrow!

     
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