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    Old 05-02-2009, 12:41 AM   #1
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    Question Who could Solve this Mystery: Complex Information on the knee needed

    I seem to have done some form of strange injury, and due to either incompetance or some other factor the doctors I have seen so far are clueless :P.
    I am already on the way to trying to get an MRI etc, and seeing a specialist, but that is gooooonnaaaa taaaaaaake aaaaaaaaaagggggeesss.

    It was an injury accrued whilst doing gymnastics.
    I did a backflip which seemed to strain a ligament on the in-side of my knee. A little one, not like the major four.

    Anyways, a day later, I was in a kneeling posistion/squating posistion. And something clicked out of place. And when my muscles contracted, the leg wouldn't move. Similar to how when elastic bands are out of place, and something is tangled, it just doesn't work right.
    So I thought that was pretty major.

    Anyways, I managed to get it to click back, so that my leg regained the function of moving again, and wasn't totally dead. My knee had feeling, it was strong, and the swelling was only minor for a few days.
    I made sure to look after it for like 6 months, didn't see anyone about it, not out of arrogance or anything, its just I usually get told "if it works, and there isn't pain, nothing we can do".

    So anyways, I noticed that the little ligament liked the idea of slipping back out and making my leg not work. And it didn't need much to do so, just an awkward angle, and it would effortlessly slip out of place causing tremendous pain and losing ability in my leg.

    Anyways.. Eventually just a few weeks ago, I jumped into the air, and in mid air, it came out of posistion, with a strong pinching affect. The leg was immobile as I landed softly, and I managed to within the next few seconds get it "mostly" back in.
    EXCEPT, this little ligament (the culprit from the start), is now on the inside, as opposed to the outside. Aaaaaand it certainly doesn't feel right.

    Swelling, pain, etc, and a feeling of a definate obstruction is there.
    The balance of the muscles and there tension, is off. The bending of the knee is a bit funky, and jitters at points.
    At the point of a bent knee there is an obstruction, and the point of straightening the knee there is one. (it feels like its stressing that little ligament thing).

    So I went to the hospital, and the doctor I got wasn't exactly, the top of the barrel (sorry dude, but you weren't, and you know it). And anyways, he managed to be helpful in that neither knee, or knee cap was dislocated.

    Which makes sense, cause there wasn't much trauma/impact, to cause the injury in either case...

    But what then, could have the power to stop your entire leg working, like it did the first time?
    And if you know, what ligaments in the knee could do this.. What could they get caught around, that causes a problem?

    PS:
    The funny thing is.. And the most confusing thing is.. My leg is more capable now, then it was inbetween that whole 6 months of recovery.. Did it go back in place? Did it just get stuck/jammed somewhere else, so the knee can be functional, but this ligament is totally tangled and in the wrong place?

    But most importantly, in any of these cases, what are the potential consequences

    Anyways, thats my knee mystery
    I'd really like to hear what people have to say,
    but even moreso, I'd like to be either informed of all we know about the knee
    Or pointed in a SPECIFIC direction, of where I could most easily come to understand these little intricate ligaments and maybe figure out, what has happened..

     
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    Re: Who could Solve this Mystery: Complex Information on the knee needed

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    but even moreso, I'd like to be either informed of all we know about the knee
    Or pointed in a SPECIFIC direction, of where I could most easily come to understand these little intricate ligaments and maybe figure out, what has happened..

    My guess would be to have a referral to a sports medicine doc. Good luck and please keep us informed. I'm curious too.

     
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    Re: Who could Solve this Mystery: Complex Information on the knee needed

    HI. I've had 14 knee surgeries. I started with an injury at age 14. I got caught in a minor rock slide while hiking in the Rockies. Everyone thought it was a minor injury because I didn't complain a whole hell of a lot about it. Once I got into surgery 2 years later(long story) it turned out I had torn the medical meniscus, torn the ACL and torn the MCL ligaments. When you are used to minor injuries because your a gymnast, you may be grossly underestimating what you did to your knee. I spent 2 years on the school gymnastics team with that knee. It was not fun!

    Was that sprained ligament your diagnosis or the doc's? Because it sounds suspiciously like a partial tear to the medial meniscus to me. It can separate then come back into place, then twist up on the side, then go right back where it belongs. It does all the stuff you're complaining about but it's no ligament.

    I had what's called a parrot beak tear in my left lateral meniscus that defied every ortho that looked at it. I tore a triangle shaped piece of meniscus that flip over 180* and lodged itself directly under one of the femoral condyles. It really didn't hurt when I did it but once it was done, all of a sudden the outside of my knee was higher than the inside and it rocked from side to side but no clicking, no locking, no letting go like a regular torn meniscus. They finally had to scope it to figure out what I had done(pre MRI days...yes I'm that old) and there was this chunk of meniscus, still attached by a thin strip of cartilage wedged under the condyle and digging a hole in the joint cartilage.

    So never rule out a possible meniscus tear as the cause of weird knee symptoms. Yours sounds far more like a meniscus that any sprained or strained ligament. Tendons can freeze a finger if they slip over the joint but I've never heard of a ligament slipping and locking up a joint. They usually just tear. But a meniscus.....prime candidate for locking a knee in a bent position.

    Get your MRI and you'll probably know. But I'd take it easy and stay away from deep knee bends. That's when they are most likely to give you trouble.

    Either way....something is wrong and you ned to respect what your knee is telling you. I was denied surgery for 2 years because back in the 1960's, it was believed that women couldn't tear menisci or ACL's for that matter. We were not physical enough to do that kind of damage. I had to bully the ortho into surgery. And by then, I had a good case of arthritis going and ended up with plastic and metal knees by age 47. We now know women are more prone to knee injuries than men so protect your knee until you know exactly what is wrong.

    gentle hugs...............Jenny

     
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