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    Old 08-03-2011, 04:03 PM   #1
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    Need advice, kinda depressed.

    I had LASIK 1 month ago.

    left eye -7.00, astigmatism -1.25
    right eye -6.00, astigmatism -0.75

    I feel like I rushed into it, Although i did read positives and negatives, and possible complications.
    But I think i wasn't more active at consultations etc.

    I had 7mm pupils. at least I think. Operated on wavefront alegretto.
    I see very clearly during day, and happy with that, mild dry eye.
    But at night i see starbursts. halo etc. I can drive, but not as before, kinda have to strain much because of low vision at night. I don't know, i thought i would not get these sideeffects because of bigger optical zones of new lasers etc.

    The thing that bothers me much is, i can see clearly on pc monitor, but only when there is much white on, white background, when there is black background and white letters i can see that is't not as easy or as sharp to read as i could with my glasses. And it doesnt matter if there is daylight or 200w lightbulb on, its weird to read on black background, so that part scares me cause i don't get it, is that contrast lost or?
    During daytime i can see ok on big 42'' lcd screen tv. But at nightime again with my 200w lighbulb, its weird, in dark i can't watch tv as before, i mean it ok if there is a lot of white stuff, colors etc, but white subtitles on black background it hard to read, i can read it, just not as less straining as with glasses, it's like a bit of glare, or halo i dunno, or ghosting. but at daytime in the morning when i open my windows, i can read and watch tv ok, even play games. So i'm scared kinda...did i do tradeoff, loss of nightvision for clear dayvision, no more games or movies at night? and i am game/movie/multimedia junkie.

    Or am I jumping too fast to conclusions after one month post op?

    I dunno, i have anxiety disorder and dunno if i did right thing about this one, like i really read all the negatives and all the people with bad nightvision, then i read about people with good outcomes, even some friend said it was ok to them.
    I dunno. if it is what is is, i dunno if i can deal with it, cuz i feel stupid then...sure i hated my glasses, and was kinda annoyed, wanted freedom. I can live with lower nightvision, i mean out in the dark, or really low lightning, i think i could tradeoff that part if it happened, but didn't count on hard to watch tv, or just something on black background. I dunno what is that. and that really upsets me. cuz at day i am pretty happy and feel free and see better then with my glasses.

    So actually scared if i would do something to myself because of this...impulsivly rushed in it. then I ask myself maybe i could tried some bigger frames glasses for biger field of vision, and not just immidietly go to surgery. I dunno. stressed about this, paranoid a bit. Is there hope it can get better? Or is it possible to deal with that after enhancment or? I don't get it, if they knew my pupil is 7mm...why then, was I patient with higher risk to develop HOA's? Don't new lasers adress that. Why would you treat anyone if you knew it could impair their nightvision. How do you know how will that person react, if i was not candidate, just say i aint because of pupils and its ok, move on. I dunno, i thinks i was an idiot.

    Thats just me now, being anxious, paranoid, overreacting or whatever, even at one mont post op, when its clear 3-6 months to healing time, but i am a bit suspicious about nightime part of healing time? I mean is that possible, does healing time contribute to that? Isn't nightime low light problems associated with treatment zone and size of pupils? ...some advice, at three months i intend to ask them all, and want all my results etc. i was just to passive and hoped for the best.

    So if anyone has some kind of advice about this, particulary about black backgrounds, is it possible to resolve? or some comfort, thanks.

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    Old 08-03-2011, 05:12 PM   #2
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    oh man mario... where do i start?! your situatioin mirrors mine a lot. i had surgery on 10-23 of last year.. like you i did zero researh. you actually did more than me cause if i had read one thing on this mess of a surgery i would of never done it. i was -875 in both eyes roughly. i was having problems with contacts which was my deciding factor in getting this done. hint hint if your not tollerant to contacts then there is a problem with dry eyes. one day after the surgery i knew i was in trouble. i looked outside and the halos and starbursts were huge. i freaked out pretty bad for about 4 -5 days before i got myself together. all the while ready about lasik complications fueled my fear and triggered my depression. i went to the surgeon on an emergency appointment. guy was useless . just gave me more meds to pour in my eyes. i had only met in for 2 minutes prior to surgery. from there i knew i was on my own.i wont bore you with the details since other than to say im on restasis and rewetting drops. im in a holding pattern for now. i need contacts ( scleral lenses probably)to try and help with the halos and starbursts along with the undercorrection in one eye.....now one thing that i had like you thats kind of gone away was the problems with white letters on a black backround. time frame wise i dont remember when that wasnt a problem but it seemed to clear.. also my dilated pupils were supposibly only 5.5. mario good luck man! its gonna be a long road man. im still mentally messed up from this. i drive a truck for a living and its hard when it starts to get dark and then when it is dark. go to a cornea specialist man to get a second opinion.. likely they wont be able to help but another opinion cant hurt.. keep me posted. its just sad reading about all these complications from this insidious surgery.

     
    Old 08-04-2011, 01:22 AM   #3
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    also my dilated pupils were supposibly only 5.5. mario good luck man!.
    I don't get that, if they were 5.5mm shouldn't optical treatment zone be bigger than that, then why do you have night vision problems? Did you go somewhere else to measure pupils to be sure that clinic measured it correctly.
    I mean, i don't get it, as far as i understand, nightvision problems occur when there is left untreated area or something.
    I mean how can day vision be ok when pupils are constricted, and nightvision be not okay when they dialate.

     
    Old 08-04-2011, 04:10 PM   #4
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    i guess the pupils when dilated go outside the treatment zone. i did not get a measurement outside of the pre surgery measurements. i did go to a corneal specialist about 8 weeks post op.. he did nothing for me. its scary thats for sure.. it plays on your mind cause you cant takw this back. its my biggest regret ever and always will be. tell me about your starbursts mario.. mine are huge especially in twi light hours heading into evening. halos also.. traffic lights from afar look like a spray of lights then when i get closer there are perfectly rounded circles coming off the lights. hate it.

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    Old 08-13-2011, 06:07 PM   #5
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    Mario, you are one month post-op so I would give it more time. I am 2 1/2 yrs post op and my vision is pretty good. Not perfect but good and I am happy to be relatively free from glasses. The LASIK corrected me to about 20/25 in each eye and I am not going to have an enhancement. I also need reading glasses because I am over 50. But that's to be expected.

    Now, I do notice some starburst/halos at night. Not terrible but its there. I had not thought about the actual shaping of the cornea but I have to think that my reshaped cornea is not as smooth and rounded as it used to be. Let me explain. The LASER pulses as it burns off the corneal material, right? Well, it stands to reason that the LASER is directed at a different area of the cornea surface as it scans the surface. As it "snaps" (burns) the cornea to get rid of material, that point of the surface would be somewhat "digitized". That is, very small pockets of burned off cornea along with areas that the LASER skipped over. Its like a digital camera. You have a certain number of pixels or horizontal lines over so many vertical lines. My cornea went from being purely "analog" and smoothly curved to "digital" and slightly bumpy curvature. Like a dimpled golf ball...though that analogy is greatly exaggerated. Not sure if this makes sense and I am sure my doc would be rolling his LASER'd eyes. But that is what I think happens.

    Now, if the cornea is no longer as smooth as it used to be, you are going to see some distortions which become more pronounced at night. It is not that your pupil is opening up into an area of the cornea that was not treated but rather that your eye is now using a lot more of the LASER'ed cornea and the irregular surface (bumpy) is now adding more to the overall image. Its a classic signal-to-noise ratio issue. The smaller the signal (less light) the more the "noise" (distortion..ie: halos) becomes noticeable.

    Back to your situation. Give the healing process more time and I think you will be fairly satisfied with the results. Don't beat yourself up. You can't go back and undo the surgery (just like me) so make the most of it.

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    Old 08-19-2011, 03:41 PM   #6
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    Hi guys, same here, I had my surgery in September 2009 so It is nearly 2 years now. -7 and -5.5 both astigmatism before. Now I have perfect vision on dominant eye and just a bit worse on the other one.

    Right after the operation I couldn't see properly I had big difficulty with focusing, I figured it will pass just like when you have new glasses it takes 2 weeks to get used to (because of this astigmatism) and it really did pass away.

    Night vision problems stayed pretty much the same as they were right after the operation.

    One good thing is that I forgotten how I did see with the glasses so I can't really compare and thus I am now happy with my vision, Of course it annoys my from time to time in the night, especially when I am tired. Also playing games is not the same anymore but as I wrote you just get used to.

    Overall I am happy that I have done it.
    1. swimming in the sea while on holidays is now a pure joy
    2. when it rains no more droplets on the glasses
    3. no fog in the winter when coming to the warm from the cold

    List is quite long for me.

    MarioX2, I don't know your reasons why you have done it but if you'll give it a bit time you might even be happy that you have done it.

    I was thinking about some enhancement as they call it just to get rid of night halos but I am to scared now to loose what I already have. Yesterday I found this post please have a look, it is one guy who just done his enhancement and it seems like it didn't went quite the way it should.

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    my vision in the night is a bit similar to the picture below it is very hard to make it look right, as it changes with distance to the light and also with my fatigue, the more tired I am the more problem with focusing I have in the dark and then I am getting this smudged light effects and other FX.

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    Old 08-22-2011, 09:15 PM   #7
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    You really need to give yourself more time to heal. As you already know, it does take 3-6 months.

    Now, as far as night vision goes, it's very possible you just have very dry eyes. That was my problem after lasik. I had no idea, though. My eyes felt just fine. But the doctor showed me a scan of my eye and the dryness, and sure enough, my left eye (the bad one at the time) was really dry! Quadruple the amount of tears you are using (I assume you are still using them?) and see if that makes a difference. Oh, and generic brand tears work just fine (I got mine at Target and Walmart), and if you refrigerate them, it feels really nice.....

    Anyway, be patient (easy to say, I know!). I had my lasik back in the end of 2006, and after my eyes fully healed, my vision was 20/12.5 in both eyes. Last time I checked, it was 20/15 in both eyes. It's worth it. Just hang in there!

     
    Old 10-27-2011, 10:36 AM   #8
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    I think this is it, I can't watch tv anymore normally with ease like before. It's incredible how they behave now after surgery, like thats normal, here yu go, drops for shrinking pupils. I had the impression that with all modern lasers and wavefront this and that nightvision problems are aliminated, but i guess this is incredibly common effect after lasik, maybe some people experience minor problems with it because of small pupils at night, but oh man, my pupils are 7.5mm something like that.

    But se here, when I wore soft contact lenses, I had bad nightvision with them and hard to watch on tv in dim light rooms. Now why is that, i didnt have lasik, i had soft lens, at day it was beautiful too see with them, at night not so much, so i prefered glasses at night and for watching tv, pc, gaming, driving etc. Now after lasik i got similar bad vision at night like with lenses, and more obvious starburst as they get bigger or smaller depending on the pupil size.

    So what gives? soft contact lens could correct vision at night as glasses?

     
    Old 10-27-2011, 02:32 PM   #9
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    You need to give it more time for healing. It will get better. In the meantime, get a pair of glasses with polarized lenses. They can be slightly tinted but mostly clear for driving at night. I noticed a big reduction of glare with polarized lenses.

     
    Old 10-28-2011, 08:17 AM   #10
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    [How true is this theory? I mean how come some people say they have no problems at night? Do they not notice it, maybe smaller pupils, but some people with 7mm+ pupils say they see fine at night. If laser makes cornea less smooth wouldnt everbody have problems post lasik? I mean you really have to be retarded to say you see superfine at night if you don't, or if you don't notice it. It's really not hard to notice degrading vision at low light when with glasses these issues were not there.

    So wouldnt everybody got these problems because of nature of lasik? And how come it is legal for 20 years if it makes bad nightvision, then wouldnt many people be danger on road after it, i know i feel now sometimes not want to go out at night driving.

     
    Old 10-29-2011, 05:48 PM   #11
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    I don't have any specific advice but did want to tell you that my eyes continued to improve for ~6 months after surgery. And the dry eyes lasted 1-2 years after surgery. So, give it some more time--I think you'll still see more improvement. Use the eye drops though, even if you don't feel like you need them and remind yourself to blink often when looking at a TV/computer screen. Good luck!

     
    Old 11-17-2011, 03:28 PM   #12
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    My story mirrors yours. I had lasik done in August, my prescription was -6.75 and done using a Wavefront Allegretto. My pupil was 7.3mm, the average pupil is 6.5mm. I also have horrible night vision problems that change every time I blink. The only thing I know that helps is to keep your eyes lubricated with lots of drops. No it won't take the problems away but it will help.

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    Old 11-21-2011, 04:53 PM   #13
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    Well is that problem because of big pupils, mine are like yours 7.5mm something like that. Actually sometimes I look in the mirror and pupil in right eye takes almost entire iris, and I have feeling that vision in right eye is less sharp at low light.

    I don't get it. Are these low light problems induced because of pupils size or something else? Does blend zone do anything, how come i see better when i drop alphagan drops for shrinking pupils, i still see samo starbursting and halo around street lights, but it doesnt change because the pupils isn't getting bigger. So i don't get why would doctors do lasik on people with big pupils if most of them get low light complications. Idiotic.

     
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