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    Old 09-02-2013, 12:47 PM   #1
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    Question Stranger Gurgling In Back Middle Chest After Laying Down All Night?

    Not sure where to post this question, but I'm totally at the end of my rope & clueless as to what's wrong with me! For about a month, I've been having these dull sensations from my left rear chest, like towards the bottom of ribcage. First they felt like a vague bubbling sensation if I moved a certain way, and when I'd wake up especially after sleeping on my back or on my left side I'd feel sore on that side. I went to the ER they did a chest x-ray and said it was normal and EKG was normal and said it was Costochondritis (muscular). But about two weeks ago, I had a singing lesson where I got into it, and after that I noticed definate shortness of breath and some pain on my left side if I breathed deeply. A couple days after that I felt heaviness on my left side, along my collar bone, and felt like I couldn't quite get a deep breath on that side. And I started waking up in the morning for a couple of days feeling like a brick on my left upper chest, very unpleasant. I went to my regular doctor, he did another chest x-ray at my request, said it was normal to my surprise. The extreme heaviness has gone away mostly now but in the past few days I have been waking up with this gurgling/bubbling sensation in my left middle back after I have been laying on my back. I take a couple of breaths and it goes away.

    I went to the ER again yesterday and they did a chest CT scan and said it was normal. Not even a slight pneumothorax, which I was worried about. The ER doc said he thought my symptoms are caused by lung secretions or allergies which pool at night when I'm at rest. he didn't give me any medicine or anything, just advised I take allergy meds if needed. My mind was eased somewhat by the CT results, because don't they show anything wrong in the chest? I do have allergies but they've always been in my nasal and throat areas not my chest unless I had a bad cold which I don't. And I never feel congested at all in my chest of feel the need to cough during the day. I don't get it. I still feel a bit winded but since the CT results came back ok yesterday, I am baffled!

    My other thought was a heart issue like mitral valve prolapse or regurgitation, but wouldn't the recent x-rays and ct-scan have shown that too? So what is it, just drainage? And if so is there no treatment for it? I'm just tired of waking up with this gurgling and the doctors all say nothing is wrong. The ER doc yesterday did tell me to see a pulmonologist. I will, but what is causing this? I used to smoke, but I quit three years ago. Also, along with the gurgling symptoms in my middle back when I wake up, during the day, I feel this weird pressure sensation in my lower left back area if I move a certain way. Like someone is lightly pushing on my lower left ribcage area. Not painful, just weird. I know it's connected somehow to the gurgling I feel when I get up in the mornings. I am only 31, 5'11, and 170. I'm fairly fit, I do have a small bit of a belly but I have a tall slim frame and have always been pretty healthy. I did have a pneumothroax on my left side many years ago (when I was 18 and much skinnier & it healed itself) but the x-rays and ct-scan I've had in recent days all said I had none. I have had heart tests, echocardiograms, but the last one was like 2 years ago because I had a routine screening due to some family history of heart problems. But wouldn't the CT also pick up anything heart or lung related? Should I request another echocardiogram? Isn't a CT better than an echo though? My gut is that this is a lung issue. But all the recent imaging tests came back clear. What else can I do to try & get to the bottom of this? Should I ask for an inhaler?

    So basically wouldn't the CT-scan yesterday have shown any lung fluid/heart problems? I'm sure the ER doc would have mentioned if it had shown any mitral valve problem, right? So Why am I having the gurgling when I breathe in when I wake up and get out of bed in the morning? I hate to go yet again to the ER, but if it doesn't go away I don't know what else to do. Maybe it is just drainage in the lung. But does it just have to go away itself? I do have a window air conditioner in my window that blows constantly, I'm sure the inside has mold in it, maybe that could be it? I just don't know. How long I am going to have to deal with this. It's annoying.

     
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    Old 09-04-2013, 10:39 AM   #2
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    Re: Stranger Gurgling In Back Middle Chest After Laying Down All Night?

    Hi...I would strongly suspect that if I were having your symptoms my first thought would be symptoms of slight leakage or something related to your past pneumothorax. I do have the experience, so I know exactly the sensations/pain/discomfort and "gurgling" you're meaning.

    Tell me what treatment you had for your pneumothorax...exactly.

    You definitely need to see a pulmonologist, and I'd suggest you get an MRI that could hopefully show what's going on.

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    Old 09-04-2013, 04:05 PM   #3
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    Re: Stranger Gurgling In Back Middle Chest After Laying Down All Night?

    Thanks for the response, my first thought was also a pneumothorax, since I had one many years ago, and is why I went to my doctor to try and rule it out. I have had 2 chest x-rays since symptoms started, and they were totally normal. The doctors said if it was a pneumothorax, it would have to be VERY small to not show up on a chest xray. So I insisted on a CT scan. They did one, at the ER, and it was normal. I thought it was a pneumothroax because of the bubbling and the feeling winded on one side felt so similar to my other one years ago. When I had the pneumothorax years ago, there was no doubt about it then, it clearly showed up on all imaging tests, and it took several weeks to heal. Luckily it wasn't bad enough to have surgery. It healed itself. This time, like I said, the doctors said it wouldn't be because no imaging tests showed anything wrong. It felt like a pneumo, but the x rays and ct scan showed were normal they said.

    I asked the doctors if a pneumothorax can be worse at night and then disappear during the day, they said no, if you have one you have one, until it heals. So they basically ruled that out based on the imaging tests. The shortness of breath has gone now knock on wood but I'm still getting the bubbling in my back after I lay down all night when I first get up and inhale.

    The ER doc said EKG was normal, and no indication of any heart problems, like mitral valve or anything, and assured me that the CT would show any structural problems. He said some people just get a little congestion/pooling in the lungs due to allergies and just notice it more than others. He said no indication that anything major is wrong. So my mind is definately eased a bit..Because all the doctors told me the same thing. Also, they all listened to my chest and said heart/lungs sound fine. So I'm not sure if it was just a little air in their that none of the tests picked up..When I do get up and notice the gurgling when I inhale, I never feel the need to cough, it is in one area in the back of my left chest area. One or two inhales, and it goes away. The ER doc called it crackling.

    They said it was probably secretions that bubble and pool in the lung at night and then clear due to allergies or something.

    I'm beginning to think that maybe since all the other tests were negative for heart/lung problems, maybe its GERD or hiatial hernia..So maybe I just need to relax.

    I'm going to see a pulmonologist in a month to follow up. I do feel better since the CT came back as normal that eased my mind quite a bit.

     
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    Re: Stranger Gurgling In Back Middle Chest After Laying Down All Night?

    Hi...Were you tubed and had pleurodesis done?

    I had a few collapses that didn't require any treatment (but I didn't know what they were...I thought a pulled muscle), but I eventually had a collapse that required hospitalisation, 3 failed tubings and an eventual thoracotomy.

    I believe it IS possible you still have teeny blebs that are possibly allowing some air to seep in when you lay down, but not enough to collapse. It is also possible that you do have allergies and some congestion, but I can't see that it'll cause you that type of discomfort.

    When did you have the collapse?

    I also have neck and upper back issues with muscles/nerves. Lately, it's been pretty reactive. The other evening I was laying down on the couch watching TV and had that familiar sensation across my chest and across my throat of pressure...and of course, you know the first thought was lung. But, when I sat up, it eased a bit and took about 5 minutes to totally go away. I did see the chiropractor yesterday, so hopefully that will help. But it wasn't a constant thing like yours...

    Did you recently have a cold that you were coughing?

    You can easily test the one theory by taking an antihistamine in the evening or closer to bedtime.

    Reflux can certainly cause much discomfort, shortness of breath and gurgling, but it would be more in the throat area than in the upper chest area. But it is possible you have a few things happening.

    When you do see the pulmonologist, maybe ask if there's a test that could see if you have small blebs. I think an MRI could show it...but haven't checked into it. Since you would be laying down..it might show something.

    Please keep me updated on how you're doing and the outcome of your appointment.

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    Old 09-05-2013, 12:35 PM   #5
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    Re: Stranger Gurgling In Back Middle Chest After Laying Down All Night?

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    Hi...Were you tubed and had pleurodesis done?

    I had a few collapses that didn't require any treatment (but I didn't know what they were...I thought a pulled muscle), but I eventually had a collapse that required hospitalisation, 3 failed tubings and an eventual thoracotomy.

    I believe it IS possible you still have teeny blebs that are possibly allowing some air to seep in when you lay down, but not enough to collapse. It is also possible that you do have allergies and some congestion, but I can't see that it'll cause you that type of discomfort.

    When did you have the collapse?

    I also have neck and upper back issues with muscles/nerves. Lately, it's been pretty reactive. The other evening I was laying down on the couch watching TV and had that familiar sensation across my chest and across my throat of pressure...and of course, you know the first thought was lung. But, when I sat up, it eased a bit and took about 5 minutes to totally go away. I did see the chiropractor yesterday, so hopefully that will help. But it wasn't a constant thing like yours...

    Did you recently have a cold that you were coughing?

    You can easily test the one theory by taking an antihistamine in the evening or closer to bedtime.

    Reflux can certainly cause much discomfort, shortness of breath and gurgling, but it would be more in the throat area than in the upper chest area. But it is possible you have a few things happening.

    When you do see the pulmonologist, maybe ask if there's a test that could see if you have small blebs. I think an MRI could show it...but haven't checked into it. Since you would be laying down..it might show something.

    Please keep me updated on how you're doing and the outcome of your appointment.

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    Hi, thanks again for the response. To answer your questions, my actual pneumothorax on the left side was about 13 years ago, and healed itself. It was definately different and worse than what I'm having now. I had sharper pain, and felt winded all day, and it wasn't worse in the morning for example. It healed itself. I had no procedure done for it. Again, I've had like 3 chest x-rays in the last few weeks and all were normal. The CT scan was normal and I laid down for it. The doctors said even small pneumothorax would show up on them. So what's causing the gurgling when I inhale in the morning when I first get up? The docs said a pneumothroax doesn't just disappear and appear. And it seems they ruled out any cardiac problem. I am going to see my primary one more time next week. They told me at the ER even a small pneumothorax or leak would show up on the CT scan which it didn't. So it seems if I did have any small blebs they would have shown up.

    Maybe it is just allergy drainage. I don't know. But why no coughing and why just one side. Also, during the day I have soreness in my left upper back almost feels muscular. It's like a dull ache. I just don't see why if it was a pneumothorax it would only be there in the morning and not all the time, the doctors said pneumothorax don't come and go, you either have one or you don't, and based on the tests so far, it seems I don't.

    Guess I'll just ask my primary care doc again, I'm tired of going to the doctor so much. Maybe I just need to ignore this. Oh yeah, and nope, I haven't been sick at all lately or had any kind of cold at all. I do have hay fever but that's just sneezing and itchy eyes not the gurgling when I wake up in morning. Maybe this is just something I need to ignore like the doctors say.

     
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    Re: Stranger Gurgling In Back Middle Chest After Laying Down All Night?

    Hi...It sounds as though your hay fever and allergies might be related. do you take any antihistamines at all?

    You're right that a CAT scan would have you laying down and it might have shown something as well.

    Definitely keep seeking possibilities since this has come up and continues during certain positions. I don't think it's nothing to worry about, but maybe the pulmonologist will do other testing that can lead to a discovery.

    For sure let me know the outcome of the specialist appointment...I would appreciate it.

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    Re: Stranger Gurgling In Back Middle Chest After Laying Down All Night?

    Yea the whole thing is just baffling. During the day I get this bad ache in my upper back feels muscular in nature. And I'm not too worried since I had all the ct and x-rays done..Still think it might be a pneumothorax, but something should have picked it up. I'm going to see a pulmonologist. I take a nasal spray sometimes, and Zyrtec as needed. I see my primary care doc Monday, I'm going to tell her about this. Maybe I need an inhaler or some antibiodics in case I have fluid buildup in my lung at night which is what's causing the gurgling when I wake up in the morning. Just a guess. No cough, or fever or anything though. It's strange.

     
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    Re: Stranger Gurgling In Back Middle Chest After Laying Down All Night?

    Yeah, the no coughing to clear the area is strange as well. To me it would be the lung's natural reaction to fluid build-up over the night.
    You also have shortness of breath, right? That's an important part to not leave out.

    Curious if the upper back and shortness of breath coincide?

    Something's definitely going on...and I'd not let it go since your symptoms are specifically related to position, night-time and with your prior pneumothorax..it could be related.

    You're not taking any supplements are you? or doing weights?

    Is there any improvement on the days that you do take the Zyrtec?

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    I know I'm a little late getting in on this discussion, but I have exactly the same symptom! I get the gurgling for the first breath or two in the morning and the only way I've been able to describe it to my doctor is like a wet paper bag fluttering. I have had this since my first pneumo (which healed on its own) and I had multiple x-rays and a ct scan and was told the "gurgling" and dull ache I have on my pneumo side were just anxiety. Well, after the lung collapsed again, they finally believed me (not a great "I told you so") and I had vats+staples+pleurodesis...now, here's the crazy thing.

    I'm now 6 weeks post vats and I'm getting all the same symptoms! Gurgling in the morning and dull ache on the side all day. Naturally, I had another chest X-ray and they have told me everything looks fine, but I doesn't feel fine.

    I could accept that the ache is from the chest tube, except that I had it before the tube also....I'm so confused and frustrated!

     
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    Hi! I know the chances of you seeing this message are slim but I have to try. I've been having this exact issue for over a year and a half- with no answers. The gurgling goes in boughts and can get worse from time to time. I've had all the same tests run- with the same result- NO ANSWERS. Did you ever get an answer from your visit to the pulmonary specialist? Thank you!

     
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    Did you ever get an answer to this issue? I've had the same problem for over a year and a half- with no answers!

     
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