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    Old 06-10-2005, 07:15 PM   #1
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    What is this cat claw stuff..

    Someone said you can get some releif from lyme syptoms with
    cat claw or cat gut, or whiskers or something, LOL. Umm what is it,
    and how do you get it. How much do you take, how safe and all that.

    Today, while picking up a small 1lb box I pulled the muscles to my middle and ring finger of my right hand, a pain shot from the tip of my fingers to my elbow. And now they are all sore and hard to move, and hard to type with. Who ever heard of pulling finger muscles, thats ridicolous, but I somehow did it, now I have two fingers that hurt to move that sends pain to my elbow. Of course it might not be the lyme, but now every ache I have, I wonder.

    So can someone give me the low down on how to get this stuff to help, please, have mercy, think how much I like to type and how painful this
    is LOL.

    Oh by the way, I know I stated that the rash had finally decided to go away, well I was wrong, its back, and in full force, its gone and darkened up and got all angry looking. its seems my rash decided it was too soon to go I guess. I was getting hopefull each day as it was a little bit lighter.

    Figures, awaiting my mountain of test on Monday, I wonder if it will show anything at all, does lyme effect other systems in such a way that they go out of whack on other tests?


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    Old 06-10-2005, 08:39 PM   #2
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    Re: What is this cat claw stuff..

    Dear Dave,

    A number of people on here have decided to take the natural route for their own personal reasons. Cat's claw is mostly what they are taking. There are three kinds that I know of that are being used by fellow lymies. They are Samento which comes in capsule and liquid form. The liquid is supposed to be 15 times more potent than the capsule so you must follow the instructions and go from 1 drop per dose up to as much as 15 drops over time but most people do anywhere from 5 -10. That's all they can tolerate or they get anxious or headaches. I am taking saventaro which is another form and comes only in capsules. If this doesn't work I may switch to the liquid samento as so many people seem to be having such good results. It does take a while to work like any other med. You can find info on the samento under Nutramedix and the saventaro under enzymatic therapy. I hope this helps. If not ask more questions and we will try to help some more. You can find the saventaro at a health food store but I think you have to order the samento on the internet. You might check with the health food store on that.
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    Old 06-11-2005, 04:59 AM   #3
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    Re: What is this cat claw stuff..

    Dave, I have been taking cat's claw under the supervision of my naturopath MD for over a year now. I find it very effective, however it is like everything you can try, it works for some and not for others. You will find this is true with antibiotics and all kinds of other things, it's all very "hit or miss" and you just have to keep trying till you find what works for you.

    Cat's claw his quinonolone-like properties, in other words it can and does kill lyme just like a quinone based antibiotic. Some people have misunderstood this and feel that cat's claw just alleviates symptoms, but if you research it well you will see that it does have the ability to kill lyme. Additionally, it boosts the immune system which is a great thing. In addition to that, it lessens joint pain considerably. It's a triple whammy against lyme.

    Cat's claw is an herb and can be found in almost any health food store, however, in order to be effective against lyme and have all the properties and qualities I listed, it must be TAO-free. Last time I checked, the only two brands of cat's claw that were TAO-free were under the names Samento and Saventaro. They are equivalent to each other in quality and price, so either one is fine if you can find them.

    If I did not have a doctor or couldn't access treatment right away, I would absolutely be on TAO-free cats claw. There is a very good and very informative article called "Cat's claw--neutraceutical breakthroughs in treating lyme disease" that I hope you can find and read.

    Like any treatment, it must be taken long term and it must be taken consistently. You may experience a herx when you take it. Do you know what a herx is? If you haven't heard of that, someone should fill you in before you see the doc, because you will likely experience one after he gets meds to you. It's easier to go through if you understand what you're dealing with.

    Cat's claw will not interfere with any testing you do and can be taken with other antibiotics if they are prescribed to you in the future. My doctor has given me cats claw with biaxin, mepron, plaquenil, zithromax, clindamyacin, flagyl, doxycycline and others and I have not had any problems.

    Take good care of yourself Dave. I hope you get well very soon.

     
    Old 06-11-2005, 05:56 AM   #4
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    Re: What is this cat claw stuff..

    Hey sleeper,
    I am so glad you jumped in here and talked about the TOA free business. It was something I totally forgot to add. We all work together so nicely don't you think? To be honest with you I was kind of surprised to see somebody on here mention that they got cat's claw at GNC this week. I think I would trust the samento and saventaro more. Although I was aware of what you said about it I was thrilled to see it in writing again. I would love to know if GNC claims it is TOA free. Live and learn I always say. Hope you are having a great weekend.
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    Old 06-11-2005, 03:49 PM   #5
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    Re: What is this cat claw stuff..

    Dave: I've been using the Saventero (as suggested on this board - ty all!) and will continue to use it when I begin my Biaxin next week. I notice that I definitely have less joint and muscle pain, but when I do get the pains, they're REALLY sharp (especially the right thumb, on a heavy puter day pressing the space bar LOL) but I can live with it....I've gotten back into the habit of setting a timer when I'm doing wash in the basement,,,ahhhhh LUV those stairs!,,,,and am continually amazed at how quickly the time goes by before the ringing reminds me to do it again! So, I don't depend completely on my improved brain, but try to help it along when I can...

    I also use the refrigerated acidophilus and have NEVER had a problem, so I guess it must be working OK. I even drove the car by myself yesterday, went food shopping, went to the pharmacy and got home in one piece with an intact car and all my goods! That's remarkable! I was afraid I'd forgotten how to drive and the directions, it's been so long.

    Hang in there, try to move every joint carefully and not like you did pre-Lyme. It really makes you re-think your whole body workings!

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    Old 06-11-2005, 07:14 PM   #6
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    Re: What is this cat claw stuff..

    Thanks For the info, I am going to try and find this..

    New info by the way,...

    I have a friends who is a nurse at the local hospital in Lowell. At the campground this weekend, I told her about my lyme epidemic and the struggles I have been wrapped up in.

    She told me that in the last three weeks they have had four cases of possitive Lyme disease walk into the emergency room. Their test came back positive and everything. Two of the four live in Lowell, (my home town) and the others are towns very close, its the worse they have seen in a quite a while, and believe its all the extra deer in the area that is causing the problem. We seem to have a deer issue out here at the moment, they are everwhere. People keep whipping out cars with them trying to cross the road.

    SO much for a certain season .....

    SHe took a peek at my rash, she says mine matches what she has been seeing. hmmmm

    She did mention a rare disease specialist these people have been refered to out of Lowell, I guess he deals in mostly malaria, lyme, west nile, and stuff like that, I wonder if that would be considered a LLD, or does it have to be on the list, I will see If I can get the name, she told me, but alas I forgot.

    Need that cats claw, going to go looking.

     
    Old 06-11-2005, 08:29 PM   #7
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    Re: What is this cat claw stuff..

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    Originally Posted by gerribear
    Dave: I've been using the Saventero (as suggested on this board - ty all!) and will continue to use it when I begin my Biaxin next week. I notice that I definitely have less joint and muscle pain, but when I do get the pains, they're REALLY sharp (especially the right thumb, on a heavy puter day pressing the space bar LOL) but I can live with it....I've gotten back into the habit of setting a timer when I'm doing wash in the basement,,,ahhhhh LUV those stairs!,,,,and am continually amazed at how quickly the time goes by before the ringing reminds me to do it again! So, I don't depend completely on my improved brain, but try to help it along when I can...

    I also use the refrigerated acidophilus and have NEVER had a problem, so I guess it must be working OK. I even drove the car by myself yesterday, went food shopping, went to the pharmacy and got home in one piece with an intact car and all my goods! That's remarkable! I was afraid I'd forgotten how to drive and the directions, it's been so long.

    Hang in there, try to move every joint carefully and not like you did pre-Lyme. It really makes you re-think your whole body workings!
    Hi gerribear,
    I put in another post today that I was wondering if the cholestryamine was working for you like it did sleeper. Do you think this is the reason you can do all you are doing now? I am so glad for you.
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    Old 06-12-2005, 03:37 PM   #8
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    Re: What is this cat claw stuff..

    Hi, BetterDays: and thank you!

    I DO feel that the cholestyramine is helping me. My brain feels more energetic (tho at times, I have to wear ear plugs and not watch tv or read because I'm finding I go on overload from too much stimulation now) It's the first time and I'm between meds so because of that and the noticeable difference in that my brain started clearing about a week after I started it.
    It also wipes out drugs too, so I take it first thing in the morning, wait at least an hour before having my meds and wait at least 1-1/2 hours at night after having meds. I'm supposed to be on the 3-4 times a day dose now but I don't always remember the middle of the day one....

     
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