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Old 05-10-2007, 06:51 AM   #1
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help high T and high Estrogen levels

At 47 with secondary hypogonadism I have no libido,I have been on Androgel at the max dose for almost a year.My new blood test say Total T at 52.1 with the "Normal" lab range being 9 to 40.My estrogen level is 242 with the normal lab range as below 151.What should I do next?,I think it must be the estrogen or estriadiol causein the problem with my lack of desire,sorry about the unit I live in the UK.

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Old 05-12-2007, 09:13 PM   #2
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Re: help high T and high Estrogen levels

I am away from home and it's not convenient to figure out how to convert the levels here but I think you are right. The Estradiol is way too high. This is a little unusual for gel but it does happen. You need to cut your dose of gel and take 30-50 mg of zinc per day and "Indoplex with DIM" by Phyopharmica. I specify that brand because it seems to work and not all DIM brands seem to work. My doctor also suggests DIM by Pure Encapsulations so there is another one to try. Start with 120 mg per day and then see how you levels look after a few weeks on it.

Also, keep alcohol to 2 drinks per day or less and if you are overweight try to lose some extra body fat.

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Old 05-14-2007, 10:27 AM   #3
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Re: help high T and high Estrogen levels

Hello Hayfarmer,
I wanted to mention how much I respect your knowledge on the Low T subject. BUT... You have stated a couple of times that Gel does not convert heavily to E2 ... If you read the data on the Androgel site it states that it does convert to DHT and E2...and at 10g per day, the max level they talk about, it says it is sig higher than normal.... Just thought I would mention that.... becuase I have been on 7.5 g for a while and my t is at 750 or higher when measured but my libido is so so.... I started taking DIM also and it seems to be helping.... just wanted to give my opinion...keep up the fight.. ...


Old 05-14-2007, 05:33 PM   #4
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Re: help high T and high Estrogen levels

Thanks Jinxy. Some T is converted to E2, you are right but compared to other forms of T replacement for most people the conversion using gels tends to be less than from shots. If you are up to 750 while on gel you are doing pretty good. Some of what I say is also the latest theory. Things are changing fast in this treatment and what is theory today may be debunked tomorrow. I'm glad to see you are reading the insert with the gel.

Also, just because conversion may be less than if you are on shots does not mean your E2 may not get too high. I didn't mean to imply that at all.

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Old 05-15-2007, 12:10 PM   #5
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Re: help high T and high Estrogen levels

Arimidex will stop most of the conversion of testosterone to E2. But it is expensive. I take a half pill 3 times a week.

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