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    Old 12-10-2003, 12:40 PM   #1
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    Phycosis - Please Help me!!!!

    Please Help!
    My son is 16 and currently admitted for psychotic disorders. The doctor put him on rspiradal(sp) before. It worked before and he was out of the hospital for a month. Then it came back severely.

    For the past 2 years my son used to tell me that he was stressed up and that he wanted to take time off school. Guess, I wasnít listening. We saw his pediatrician and he said he was going through the developmental stages.

    Respiradal appears not to be working this time and the doctor is now combining Haldol, zyprexa, cogentin and Klonopin. He replaced respiradal with zyprexa. When he added klonopin, I see some improvements and the doctor tells me that he wants to put him on another medication that needs close monitoring or death may result. I donít know what to do. Please help me. Can stress or anxiety cause psychotic behavior? He has been on the meds for seven weeks. I believe the doctor should focus on stress treatment for now. What do you think? Please email me at [removed]. I am meeting with the Doctor tomorrow.

    P/S: His disorganized and confused too.

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    Old 12-10-2003, 02:16 PM   #2
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    Re: Phycosis - Please Help me!!!!

    I am phycotic and have been for the last 3 years. I was put on risperdal at first but that made me so sleepy I was then put on geodon. Stress and anxiety precipitated my outbreak if you can say that. I had lived under constant chronic pain for 4 years before the doctors were willing to send me to a pain specialist who did something for me. The doctors say I just snapped. I was hospitalized for a month. I was put on 300mg of effexor as well for the depression. It has kept my phycotic symptoms under check. I still have some problems with depression. The way it acts it seems like this will be a lifelong battle.

     
    Old 12-10-2003, 09:48 PM   #3
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    TedA, are the disorganization and confussion the only symptoms he's showing? That can definitely be just anxiety. I have severe panic disorder with episodes of derealization. I don't fear dying....I fear being crazy. With my derealization episodes I feel like I'm in a dream or I question if I'm dead cause I can't grasp what's going on around me. I've even had periods where I've completely blacked out for moments at a time. I went through a stage where I thought it had to be split personality. My most recent concern was I thought I had schizophrenia. I was in a constant state of panic and would hear things that weren't there. I at times thought I saw things that weren't there as well. My doctor believes it was only because I was in such a heightened state of panic. I have been on Paxil for a few months now and I am back in control of my life. These things don't happen anymore. Occassionally, I still feel like I'm losing my mind, but I stop and relax and remind myself I'm fine. Are you talking with your son? Find out all of his symptoms that he's expressing to you and what he keeps to himself. If you notice things get worse with certain medicines let the doc know immediately. My nephew is Bi-Polar and some meds make him very angy. He talks about killing his little brother and he says the devil is always talking to him. Mental health issues are tough to deal with. I know you are very supportive since you are coming here asking questions. Please stay by your son's side and help get him through whatever is going on. Make sure you document all the things he does or says that seem out of the ordinary. I wish you both the best! Take care!!

     
    Old 12-11-2003, 02:23 AM   #4
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    Thanks for your reply:

    Before the episode, my son will come from school complaining about how stressful it is for high school. At some point he was not interested in school and the teachers suspected ADD. The Pediatrician said it was ad-lesson problems. One day he copied words and definitions about schizophrenia and showed me. He told me that he was schizophrenia and I refused to accept it. When he snapped, he told me to felt his heart pounding and that he is afraid he will die from thinking and seeing things that werenít there. We went to the ER and he was in the hospital for two weeks.

    He went back to school and snapped while on respiradal. He was taken to the hospital again. He was off. He didnít recognize me as his Dad. After two weeks, he was coming out of it. When I took him out on passes, I could hear him breath heavily as if he was stressed up, and trying to hold back his thoughts. I told the Doctor that I saw signs of stress or anxiety. Since he was a child, he has been reading comic books and obsessed with action figures. When he is off, he believes that he is badman or superman. He believes that he can see evil and protect people. Sometimes he doesnít know what to do for Example taking a shower. And he says things like I can turn into Mr. Evil and have two horns. He touches staff. I donít know why. He does not take to instructions. When I tell him that if he doesnít change, the doctors wonít let him go home & he replied: ďI donít careĒ. I canít take him out in this state for fear he can hurt himself such as going to the streets and getting struck by a car.

    He has been on all the medications listed in my email and appears not to be responding. Things improved when the doctor gave him a relaxers such as adavant. It appears that the doctor should start focusing on treating the depression. Is this suggestion correct? Before this doctor, one psychologist told me that the problem had more to do with depression and he suggested prosaic. I asked if there could be a lesser medication to use for depression. I am meeting with my sonís doctor today. Should I insist on treating depression? His doctor told me that he has not seen anxiety so far. My son was about to get his black belt in karate and was thought meditation and self restrain. Can he be hiding his depression? I see him sweat on his nose and breath heavily as a sign of some sort of panic attack. His MRI and EEG are fine.

    Any suggestions?

     
    Old 12-11-2003, 09:26 AM   #5
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    His symptoms do sound common with something more serious. I am no doctor, but I would look into Manic Depression/Bi Polar. Of course my nephew is only 9, they do sound a lot alike. The only thing I'm not sure of is my nepew will have periods where he is just very violent and then go to being extremely happy and then crying like his best friend died. He also always talks about "poor me", as if everything is everyone else's fault. He has been pushed from med to med and nothing is working so far. Most of the meds make him worse. So was their final diagnoses Schizophrenia or have they even given him one yet? As for hiding depression, I know my nephew is able to control his outbreaks infront of certain people. Most doctors will tell you that's not possible with bi-polar, but we've seen it first hand. A lot of his symptoms could be related to being in a constant state of panic. That's why it's really important to document everything. Then you have something to stand on when you go to the doctor. With many doctors you do have to come across a little forceful and tell them what you think. If you don't they'll only see part of the picture and try to diagnose from there. You see him/his behavior all the time. The doc needs to realize you are in very close contact with your son's health and you are demanding a correct diagnoses and proper meds to help treat him as soon as possible!!! You definitely have a tough road ahead of you and I only wish I had more answers to help you. With mental health it can be something as simple as panic to something as serious as some type of psychosis. Another thing I noticed with my sister is for a long time she refused to believe her son had a mental illness. I'm not saying this is the case with you, but sometimes parents don't want to believe the worse. Please remember that a proper diagnoses is required to help whatever might be going on. People with serious mental illnesses can lead a normal life with the right treatment. Take care of yourself and your son and if there is anything I can help you with please let me know. I have experience with Depression, Manic Depression, Panic Disorder, and Dissociation disorder (the last 2 referring to myself).

     
    Old 12-11-2003, 01:27 PM   #6
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    Thank you all for your help!

    I just want to help my son and it scares the hell out of me. He is my only son. He has a 13-year old sister. I had similar problems when I was 18. I have a cousin who is a doctor and he handled it well. He is overseas. When I talked to him, he told me that my son is going through what I went through. I was overseas then and the environment is not fast paced as here in the USA. After, I went to college and now working as a Computer Scientist. I live a normal life with good and bad days. More good days! Bad days from over work and stress! I told my son this: "If you don't have stress, you are not living". You just have to know how to manage stress.

    Then, I realized that he is just 16 with so many chemical imbalances going on: Girls? Everything appears to be crashing on him now. He just can't leave behind the batman and superman stuffs.

    I want to pull him from the hospital and off Meds. Take time off work and stay with him at home for at least a month. On the other hand, I strongly believe that he has stress/panic attacks that he tries to control by pacing, talking to people and touching staff. It is his form of distraction I guess. I was also thinking that by believing that he is superman, he feels he can control of his destiny. Could it be a form of denial that he is human? And that by believing he is human, it means he can die. He once told me that he is afraid to die.

    He is not violent and has not or tries to hurt anyone or himself.

    Question: Is it right to put a label on a 16 yr going through ad-lesson problems at this time?

     
    Old 12-11-2003, 07:25 PM   #7
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    I spent 12 1/2 years with a number of diagnoses including schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and schizoaffective disorder. I was on many medications including antipsychotics. I did nothing but deteriorate and had many, many hospitalizations. Eventually medication treatment was declared a failure and I was forced to have shock treatments. I was scheduled to have 6-8 but only had two. The two I had left me in a delerium. My family signed me out of the hospital AMA. I stopped all my medications and never saw my doctor again.

    It has been 15 years now since I left the hospital. My bipolar and schizoaffective symptoms ceased once I stopped the medications. I have had no further hospitalizations.

    In the last 15 years, I have been diagnosed with temporal lobe epilepsy and ADHD. The epileptologist tells me that based on symptoms, I have had epilepsy since childhood. My doctor has explained to me that the symptoms I had (bipolar, schizoaffective etc) while on the medications were in fact caused by the medications themselves and the effect they had on my undiagnosed epilepsy.

    My EEGs have been normal. This can occur if no seizures are occuring during the EEG, if the seizures are deep in the brain, and commonly if they are simple partial seizures. A negative EEG does not rule out epilepsy.

    If your son is not responding as expected to his medications, if he seems to be having them piled on with no improvement - I strongly recommend that you get another opinion or 2 or 3 regarding his diagnosis.

    I would also STRONGLY recommend that you read in DETAIL about his medications and their possible side-effects.

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    Old 12-11-2003, 11:04 PM   #8
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    I'm sorry, I'm such a dumby, that didn't even cross my mind. I use to deal with patients with seizures and at times their behavior was "different". I don't think he's showing typical symptoms of any type of psychosis if he's not having those outbursts like most people do. What happened at the doctor's office. I don't think you should put a label on a 16 yr old unless he has absolute signs of one thing or another. That's what stinks about these illnesses, most of them have syptoms that are so much alike it's hard getting that definitive diagnoses. I agree if meds make him worse don't use them. I know when I developed panic disorder I also started showing symptoms of OCD, obsessive compulsive disorder. I often obsessive about being something better then I am. Not so much an action hero, but someone famous or rich. Of course, I choose not to express my thoughts to others, but I constantly see myself as being those people. I know I'm throwing different things out there, but I'm just trying to give you a few ideas on what I know about. I sure as heck don't know everything or even close to it, but I definitely agree with you that he's probably got some serious panic going on. Where that stemmed from...who knows right now! Maybe it's just hereditary and he was hit hard. I know I was. Also, as I've said when I was in that heightened state of panic I heard things and saw things that weren't there. I swore I had schizophrenia. I couldn't eat, I stayed up all night crying to my mom waiting to hear something else that wasn't there. It was very scary. Most people experience just that fear of death with panic disorder, but not everyone. You can have a numerous amount of fears. I know I'm rambling, but it's hard to see someone who cares so much not have the answers they deserve. You are doing the best you can and I truely hope things get better for your son soon! My Prayers are with the both of you! Take care!

     
    Old 12-12-2003, 07:36 AM   #9
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    Great and thanks.

    I am about to make the same decision. I am slowly moving to signing him out. I will take time off work for about two months to stay and monitor him.

    The medications appear to be not working.

    Thanks so much for sharing.

     
    Old 12-12-2003, 07:54 AM   #10
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    I feel better today because I am not alone in this world. Hmmmm! It's so sad to see many children going through the same stuff. We adults can handle it. The danger with the Medical field sometimes is, the Doctors try to use logic such as if A, B, C, therefore the patient is suffering from X (conclusive statement). The accuracy of this statement for mental disorders is about 50% or less, I guess. If the logic always evaluated to true, then we should design a robot to treat the cases. Then we don't need humans, right?

     
    Old 02-22-2004, 12:43 AM   #11
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    Question for Karla-
    I see that you have schizophenia. Is that definitely inherited/hereditary or am I wrong? You say that doctors say that you just snapped and I'm terribly afraid that one day that will happen to me, especially since many of my family members have mental disorders, and my father is paranoid and hallucinates. (Although he is a former alcoholic). I realize that I cannot spend my life worrying over something that may never happen, but it is a little scary.
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