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    Old 02-09-2014, 01:29 PM   #1
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    Do the symptoms add up?... scared.

    Hi Board --

    I hope I can get some clarity or more info here...thanks for taking the time to read.

    I have a low back injury at L5-S1 that has contributed to a lot of pain and degeneration issues....because of the back I live in constant pain. But there have been a lot of unexplainable symptoms recently that aren't related.

    In order of severity -

    -Hip & leg nerve pain - severe and crippling -- although this could be bc of my back injury. I take pain & nerve meds to try and cope.
    -Chronic urinary retention. Takes forever for urination to start and rarely ever feels complete. Also a lot of post urination dripping. Gets much worse at night and I have to go multiple times at night every night.
    -Sometimes I wake up at night with severe KNEE pain - I mean awful, awful pain & stiffness. At 32 I can't imagine having arthritis that bad but maybe?
    -Leg muscle spasms - constant and painful (again - could be from back injury).
    -Worse than normal "vertigo" -- like it seems like I get 'head rushes' worse than anyone else.
    -Body twitches at night like someone is shocking me

    Constant depression / anxiety issues that has really affected my marriage. My wife has ordered me to therapy. I just can't seem to "snap out of it" and have always been a very upbeat "go-getter" - but just have been in a rut for the last year or so.

    Lastly -- I know that vision issues are a tell tale sign and the only issues I've ever had is random eye twitches (mainly when really tired - like they buzz back and forth) -- and I have tons of "floaters" in my vision. Neither particularly alarming.

    None of this would have ever made me think of MS until I started searching for reasons for the urinary retention -- then things started to add up.

    Thanks for taking the time to read. I am making the appt to see my DR tomorrow but was hoping for some feedback here.

    Thanks all.

     
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    Old 02-09-2014, 03:23 PM   #2
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    Re: Do the symptoms add up?....scared.

    tradeof1jack,

    Welcome.

    I do not know how you injured your lower back, but the trauma and pain over a prolonged period can lower your tolerances and grief can add to the woes. Anxiety/depression will often follow trauma, especially when we lose or "normal" life. While MSers can certainly experience anxiety and depression- many do- not every case of anxiety/depression is MS related. However, anxiety/depression can mimic MS.

    Your urinary problems can be related to stress, the injury itself, or anxiety/depression. Urinary problems can also affect MSers, but it is not universal.

    Your eye floaters can be a normal process of aging and many people experience floaters.

    My non-medical opinion is that while you may be experiencing MS like symptoms, your anxiety/depression are the likely causes. Were you to seek out an MS Specialist, they would likely treat you for the anxiety/depression to eliminate any symptoms attributable to that.

    I would encourage you to attack and confront your anxiety and depression. Some patients can deal with it with meds, others with oral counseling, and some with both. Something helpful to do is to accept your current limitations as normal. That is, if you have gone as far as physical therapy will take you and your injury has healed as much as possible, then you should reset your benchmark of normal. With a new benchmark, you can learn to live with yourself and not grieve that which was lost. It is not easy, but it does work and the longer you live with your new "normal" the easier things will get. Chronic disease and physical injuries can often cause grief for the loss of the old normal. As we age we naturally change our benchmark, but some people even grieve aging and go through problems (mid-life crisis....).

    If MS is remotely suspected, please seek out an MS Specialist. Again, thanks for sharing!
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    Old 02-09-2014, 03:34 PM   #3
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    Re: Do the symptoms add up?....scared.

    Thanks so much for the response, I really appreciate it. I don't know what's causing a lot of this -- but I can assure you that anxiety/depression is not the root cause of the physical symptoms.

    (Which I also know can fall under the 'youre living in denial' - 'no i'm not!' category - but still - I know my body).

    Depression isn't causing me to stand....and stand...and stand....waiting and hoping to begin urinating. Nor does it cause the 4-5 times I wake up and have to go each night.

    I have spoken to my back dr's about the urination but all agree the injury should have nothing to do with urinary issues.

    Also like last night -- waking up with excruciating pain in my knee like its permanently locked straight and trying and trying just to get it to bend.

    The constant leg spasms and muscle atrophy can and most likely will always be attributed to my back, so who knows. He

    Floaters yes -- but the weird twitching?

    Again - thanks for the response. I know this is inherently difficult because so many symptoms can mean so many things. But like I said -- I'd love your thoughts if you suspend the idea that depression is the root cause.

     
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    Re: Do the symptoms add up?....scared.

    tradeof1jack,

    If you see an MS Specialist, they will hone in on anxiety/depression. Stress can play a factor in urinary problems. When stress begins to build in me, urinary and bowel frequency increase and I take an intervention which eliminates the problem in a few days. Stress can come from physical or emotional pain.

    The twitching of your eye can also be stress. If you want to focus solely upon your vision, an ophthalmologist or a neuro-ophthalmologist can be seen. These are medical doctors whose specialty is our eyes. The neuro-ophthalmologist is very specialized as they are in the neurological field, but either would be able to provide you with answers to any vision concerns you might have.

    Anxiety/depression will have to be eliminated in any diagnostic process due to the affects. The symptoms are as real as MS caused symptoms, but are entirely treatable. A large percentage of people who suspect MS are in fact found to have stress or anxiety issues which were entirely treatable.

    Due to your lower back injury, anything from your L5 and down could be connected to that injury, especially if you are having nerve damage. Since your bladder is connected above the L5, stress/anxiety can certainly be a factor. As a separate check, a urologist might be able to provide you with better answers. Cutting back on liquids prior to bed has helped me. It is not 100% effective, but on a good night, I might only get up twice. On a bad night, 5 -6 times. For me, this is stress management and with stress relief, I get better. I also eliminate liquids 3 hours before sleeping.

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    Re: Do the symptoms add up?... scared.

    Im just going to add that I hope you get answers when you have your appointment, but please dont be so quick to write off the injury as being the route cause of your problems.

    You wrote" Depression isn't causing me to stand....and stand...and stand....waiting and hoping to begin urinating. Nor does it cause the 4-5 times I wake up and have to go each night. " Actually, it could be depression and anxiety causing those things. It's not the back injury...but knowing that you are are having urinary issues- knowing as soon as you get to the bathroom you are going to face "Will I be able to go" and "Will I be back here in another hour trying again" type questions, could absolutely be causing the problems you describe here. Anxiety and depression are closely related and stem from internal conflict. Your injury in your back doesnt cause the urinary problems, but the fear of why you are having them can most certainly cause them to worsen.

    MS doesnt present anything like you are describing. You have not mentioned a single other MS problems and the issues you do list are not MS like in nature. I think you can safely write that off.....my non medical opinion is that you have to get a handle on the issues your wife is noticing, as this is starting to show up in a physical way. I hope you get some answers soon. Living in pain is horrible and anyone doing so has a right to be "not themselves" but there are answers and solutions....from drugs and PT to strengthening and mental therapies, there are so many things you can try. I hope youll find the one which works for you.
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