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    Old 05-16-2003, 06:11 PM   #1
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    Red face "Geographic tongue"

    "Geographic tongue". This is the diagnosis I got from my doctor the other day after
    I began to notice small fissures and bare spots on my tongue where the taste buds had sort of sloughed away. My tongue burned and was pretty raw and red. Eating spicy foods was pure torture. Eventually, most of my taste buds were replace by smooth tissue.

    I'll give you a little history now and see if any of you can makes some sense of it. About a month and 1/2 ago I developed a tooth infection. I was put on Penicillin VK for 10 days. The infection cleared up and I had the tooth extracted followed by another 10 day course of Penicillin VK. Then, I developed a urinary tract infection along with epididymitis and was put on Sulfameth/Trimeth for 5 days but then switched to Cipro for 20 days. Everything cleared up but then I decided to take another round of Cipro, this time, for 5 days. A few days later I developed a severely sore throat which I was told was something that was "going around" my area. I was given Doxycycline which I took for 5 days but stopped because I suspected I was having an allergic reaction to it. Then I was put on a course of Azithromycin (Z-Pak) and Methylpredisolone (a steroid). I felt good for a few days but then developed "geographic tongue" and a yeast infection (trust me, you don't want to know where) so now I'm taking several different anti-fungals.

    I'm guessing this is what happens when you take numerous antibiotics for a long period of time. You end up on an "antibiotic merry-go-round" and It weakens your immune system and depletes your body of vitamines (particularly the B vitamines). People with a vitamine B deficiency are known to develop problems with their tongue (ie; "sore tongue syndrome", etc). Steroids also weaken the immune system.

    About me: 40 year old, heterosexual male with a history of excellent health. I am HIV negative and have been abstinent most of my life because that is how I choose to be. I was feeling great before all this began. I do have a history of OCD, anxiety disorders, panic attacks and hypochondria. I also stress a lot over my health but these are real symptoms that I was diagnosed with and that I can see). I do not smoke, chew or drink (although I used to) and I get plenty of excersize. I have spent probably 10 years accumulating shoe-boxes full of tests and everything has always come back normal. I also suffer from GERD, Irritable Bowel Syndrome, Turette's Syndrome, Acute Sinusitis and Alergic Rhinitis but none of these things prevent me from enjoying life. Anyway, there's some history.

    Anyway, there is no "point" to all of this per se. I guess I'm just throwing this information out there to see if anyone else has gone through this same experience after prolonged use of antibiotics, steroids, etc.

    Just curious about something...does an oral yeast infection always present as "white patches" or does it also present with the symptoms I have described above?

    - Peace

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    Old 05-16-2003, 06:42 PM   #2
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    Y INTERESTING......HOW SEVERE IS YOUR TOURRETTES???? TICS OR WHAT?

     
    Old 05-16-2003, 06:59 PM   #3
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    Y INTERESTING......HOW SEVERE IS YOUR TOURRETTES???? TICS OR WHAT?
    It's fairly mild. Basically, I just jerk my head around and make yelling noises from time to time but no bouncing off the walls or anything. I have found that Klonopin works well in controlling it when it gets out of hand.

     
    Old 05-16-2003, 09:27 PM   #4
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    Hi Jim,

    My daugher has "geographic tongue". She is almost 11 yrs old an and our GP spoke with me about it quite a few years ago. He didn't seem too concerned about it and neither did she. I got the impression that it's no big deal and over the last few years we haven't had any problems. She is a trooper though and though she has complained about "itchy mouth" ocassionally it doesn''t seem to be a big issue for her.


    As I see it it doesn't seem to bee a problem though I an imagine that meds would aggravt=ate it,

    As I have said before I have been following your postings with interest aand I feel thaat you should focus on the more important aspects of your trearment. "geographic tongue" is the least of your peoblems!...Tager
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    Old 05-16-2003, 09:30 PM   #5
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    PS my dayghter has never been on an antibioticn her life!
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    Old 05-19-2003, 10:38 PM   #6
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    Hi Jim
    I have suffered from geographic tongue in the past usually when I was taking penicillin, the doctor now prescribes an anti-fungal to go along with the penicillin and I haven't suffered from it since! You are right about the Vitamin B too, I have addisons anemia (unable to absorb B12) and that makes you more susceptible too.
    Seems like you have quite a few worries in the health department, it would be nice if you could at least clear this one up quickly.
    All the best
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    Old 05-19-2003, 10:49 PM   #7
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    Hi Jim
    I have suffered from geographic tongue in the past usually when I was taking penicillin, the doctor now prescribes an anti-fungal to go along with the penicillin and I haven't suffered from it since! You are right about the Vitamin B too, I have addisons anemia (unable to absorb B12) and that makes you more susceptible too.
    Seems like you have quite a few worries in the health department, it would be nice if you could at least clear this one up quickly.
    All the best
    Jules
    Thank you for the reply!

    Very helpful indeed. Yes, I was in fine health before I started on this antibiotic binge so I figured this was the cause. Now that you've shared your own story with me, I feel confident that it was indeed the antibiotics. I even read a story about some guy who took Cipro and got geographic tongue. Let me ask you this though: Once the taste buds slough off and your tongue gets real smooth, how long does it take for them to grow back again or don't they grow back at all?.

    Thank's again!


     
    Old 05-20-2003, 02:15 AM   #8
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    Hi jim:
    The denuded areas will return to normal.
    [url="http://www.mayoclinic.com/invoke.cfm?objectid=53998698-D829-407A-A9119B1580CB2F2A"]http://www.mayoclinic.com/invoke.cfm?objectid=53998698-D829-407A-A9119B1580CB2F2A[/url]

    Hope you can stay away from all those meds and finally get comfortable!
    I know how anxious you've been, but regarding your oral problems, nothing is going on here that is life-threatening, nor is it permanent.

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    Old 05-20-2003, 07:59 AM   #9
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    I'm 48 yrs old and have had a geographic tongue for as long as I can remember.
    It's kept me away from alot of acidic fruits (grapefruit, pineapple, etc.) but in general it really hasn't affected my life or who I am.
    Count me as a "no biggie" on the issue!

     
    Old 05-20-2003, 03:54 PM   #10
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    Interesting...

    I just spoke to my mom and she told me that she also had geographic tongue. I explained to her that I developed it shortly after I'd taken about 20 days worth of Penicilin VK and she said "that's funny, I just took a course of Penicilin myself before this thing showed up" and I'm like...Whaaaa???.

    Ok, now this makes like a 1/2 dozen people so far that have told me similar things and I think maybe there's a link between Penicilin antibiotics and geographic tongue (perhaps other oral disorders too).

    Just my thoughts...ramblings...

     
    Old 05-20-2003, 04:19 PM   #11
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    Jim- Geographic tongue is another word for benign migratory glossitis and is often caused by overuse of antibiotics. Use your search engine and you'll find the connection reported often! With all you've been going through, you must be the numero uno researcher by now.....

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    Old 05-20-2003, 05:27 PM   #12
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    hey jim - my thrush is gone now (I started that other thread about it in this forum). But I have bumps on my tongue now!!! Its like I have real tiny bumps on the tip, and bigger bumps on the back. The ones on the back of my tongue look gross, but I am thinking they are normal, and I can just see them cause the coating on my tongue is still gone.

    Any thoughts anyone? What are these little bumps on the tip of my tongue? Should I get these checked out?

     
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    Jim,

    I'm sure that geographic tongue may have a connection with antibiotics, so many meds have weird side affects. But my daughter has geographic tongue and as I stated she has an amzing immune system (Asian background, adopted) and has NEVER been on an antibiotic. She is about to turn 11 yrs old...Tagger
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    Old 05-20-2003, 08:23 PM   #14
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    Jim again PS, My daughter does however have some allergies, dust, dustmites. Maybe that has a contributing factor to her "geographic tongue"?...Tagger
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    Old 05-20-2003, 09:59 PM   #15
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    Hey tagger- Guess what?

    Geographic tongue is significantly more common in people who are sensitive to the environment -- those with allergies, eczema, and/or asthma ....

    Also more common in diabetics and in people with psoriasis.

    I read this in an Oral Surgery magazine about a year ago...

    zuzu xxxxx

     
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