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    Old 11-29-2006, 10:30 PM   #1
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    Well, tomorrow's the day I'm off out of town to see about getting my refill.....for those of you who've followed my recent problems. It's a seven hour round-trip drive, which sucks, and there's only a maybe 50/50 chance I'll get anywhere. It costs e over $100 to go, when I'm on disability to begin with, and not even sure if he'll care to help me. I have to get some sort of documentation from this other doctor I've seen a little bit....seem as how my doctor's completely disappeared, putting me in this predicament to begin with. I will be out of my meds sometime tomorrow...hoping to just make it to the appointment w/out running out and being in such excruciating pain. I've been cutting back for a whole week, just to get this far on the remaining pills.

    Everyone, please wish me a lot of luck. Say a prayer if that's your thing....I really am worried about this. If this doesn't work out, and he won't even give me something ELSE (if he won't give me my regular pills), my only lst option is to go in the hospital until the 21st....and I have two kids who desperately need me. Everyone please hope for the best for me....Iam still scared beyond belief of the physical pain PLUS the withdrawals if I can't get my medication refilled. I am still so angry at my "doctor" for his lack of professionalism and ethics, and for literally endangering my life.

    Anyways, I will post nd let you all know if I got anywhere....if not, then I'll be in the hospital and won't be allowed access to a computer until Xmas. Thanks for all the help guys; I do appreciate it.

     
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    Old 11-30-2006, 02:40 AM   #2
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    You got it - prayers and hugs.

    Can your friend go in with you to kind of vouch for you? Take your pill bottles - might help to show him that you have stretched them out - and when you last got them filled, etc.

     
    Old 11-30-2006, 02:26 PM   #3
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    Hey Zuzu: I'll be thinking of you and even saying a little prayer, that things go well for you and this doctor will help you out. I'll been in situations like this a couple times over the years, but nothing as drastic as yours. Saying that, I know how you must be feeling. Let's hope this doc has a little compassion and understanding for you and you'll come through this ok.

    Good luck to you.

     
    Old 12-01-2006, 12:49 AM   #4
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    Well, I just got home @ like 12:30 a.m. exhausted. I had these vivid nightmares all last night so I only had maybe 2 1/2 hours sleep. My 2000 car had troubles twice on the way there, and by the time we *finally* arrived there, me and my kids were very stressed out. By then, the doctor's office was closing in 3 hours, and I was worried about not getting in after all that stress, so we had to skip lunch, except for snacks the kids ate all morning. Anyways, we waited at the doctor's the whole 3 hours they were open for, then 10 minutes before they were to close, I inquired for about the fourth time what was up, and finally got in.

    The doctor came in, and I smiled and said hello, and asked how he was. I've always been taught to respect doctors so I'm ALWAYS polite, sometimes too much so. He glared at all of us (even my kids) and kinda mumbled. Then he goes, "Who wants the Endocet and what for?" So I told him it was for me and gave him my diagnoses, and how long I've been on the medicine. I showed him my last Rx bottle, from October, and he just goes, "I don't prescribe those." So I said, "Oh" b/c the nurse I spoke to monday basically said you know, I can't TELL you he will help, but you really should try coming ll this way here. So I really didn't know what else to say. Then he sat down and asked more things, so I thought maybe that was just his initial response to everyone, so I answered them all, honestly, and not exaggerating any of it. But then he said again after about 5 minutes of this that he can't help me. I asked if there was anything else that may help, that he WOULD prescribe. Immediately, he said, "No." As if there was NOTHING we couldn't TRY. I guess he just is one of those doctors who has a one-size-fits-all opinion for all chronic pain sufferers.

    So even with stretching my pills out for like 12 days, my last one was on the 3 hour drive home. Now I'm out. I had asked, in case this happened, about those Morphine Statex pills I have that don't help the pain and make me sick....if they would help with the rest of the withdrawals I'll undoubtedly start having in the morning. Anyone have advice for getting through the withdrawals? How much of that Morphine stuff will "help" with the problems I'll have now? And what do I do the first time the pain hits its crescendo, and I can't bear it??? Any advice really is appreciated. And thanks anyways for the thoughts and praters.....please if I can ask for one more, please pray for a *safe* couple of days or week until I can maybe get this whole nightmare fixed.

     
    Old 12-01-2006, 12:49 AM   #5
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    Well, I just got home @ like 12:30 a.m. exhausted. I had these vivid nightmares all last night so I only had maybe 2 1/2 hours sleep. My 2000 car had troubles twice on the way there, and by the time we *finally* arrived there, me and my kids were very stressed out. By then, the doctor's office was closing in 3 hours, and I was worried about not getting in after all that stress, so we had to skip lunch, except for snacks the kids ate all morning. Anyways, we waited at the doctor's the whole 3 hours they were open for, then 10 minutes before they were to close, I inquired for about the fourth time what was up, and finally got in.

    The doctor came in, and I smiled and said hello, and asked how he was. I've always been taught to respect doctors so I'm ALWAYS polite, sometimes too much so. He glared at all of us (even my kids) and kinda mumbled. Then he goes, "Who wants the Endocet and what for?" So I told him it was for me and gave him my diagnoses, and how long I've been on the medicine. I showed him my last Rx bottle, from October, and he just goes, "I don't prescribe those." So I said, "Oh" b/c the nurse I spoke to monday basically said you know, I can't TELL you he will help, but you really should try coming ll this way here. So I really didn't know what else to say. Then he sat down and asked more things, so I thought maybe that was just his initial response to everyone, so I answered them all, honestly, and not exaggerating any of it. But then he said again after about 5 minutes of this that he can't help me. I asked if there was anything else that may help, that he WOULD prescribe. Immediately, he said, "No." As if there was NOTHING we couldn't TRY. I guess he just is one of those doctors who has a one-size-fits-all opinion for all chronic pain sufferers.

    So even with stretching my pills out for like 12 days, my last one was on the 3 hour drive home. Now I'm out. I had asked, in case this happened, about those Morphine Statex pills I have that don't help the pain and make me sick....if they would help with the rest of the withdrawals I'll undoubtedly start having in the morning. Anyone have advice for getting through the withdrawals? How much of that Morphine stuff will "help" with the problems I'll have now? And what do I do the first time the pain hits its crescendo, and I can't bear it??? Any advice really is appreciated. And thanks anyways for the thoughts and praters.....please if I can ask for one more, please pray for a *safe* couple of days or week until I can maybe get this whole nightmare fixed.

     
    Old 12-01-2006, 07:03 AM   #6
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    I can't believe your doctor would leave you in a lurch like that. Mine did that to me once also but there were other doctors in her clinic then so I was okay. What is endocet? Its not something I'm familiar with. Is it a narcotic? I'm definitely no help to you because I'm not sure what morphine stuff your talking about!! I sure hope you can find some help fast though. I'll be thinking of you.
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    Old 12-01-2006, 07:13 AM   #7
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    Re: At a major fork in the road.....so worried about tomorrow

    Zuzu-
    I am so sorry you went all that way and were not able to get even a little bit of help. I just don't even know what to say. Can you do a web search for PM doctors in your area?

    I know that where I live, you can go to the local hospital web sites and do a search for different doctors specializing in different areas. I know this probably doesn't help, but it might be worth a try.

    I just think that it would have been nice for your regular doctor to at least let you know that he would be leaving for an extended amount of time. Please stay in touch and let is know how you are doing.

     
    Old 12-01-2006, 08:22 AM   #8
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    endocet is percocet.I feel so badly fo you zuzu,really.thats just so appalling,to not even offer you ANY sort of actual help here.to do nothing for you at all espescially after all you have gone thru just really breaks my heart.you deserve so much better treatment than this.do you have any other possible doc options availiable to you?i DO feel for you.good luck hon,hopefully you can find a doc that actually gives a damn that you are suffering like this.hang in there,thinking about you,Marcia
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    Re: At a major fork in the road.....so worried about tomorrow

    Dear Zuzu,

    As many have already stated, I just cannot believe what I am reading!! How can a physician leave you in such a lurch??

    As well, I don't know what to say or suggest because I'm sure you have searched and searched around your area to find help. This is ridiculous.

    I wish there was a way that our compassion for you could turn into a physician helping you immediately. We are with you, Zuzu, and I wholeheartedly believe that you will find the help you need.

    Please hang in there because help must be near.

    Sincerely,
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    P.S. What is the strength of your Morphine stuff? What is its exact name, strength, and manufacturer (sometimes it will say the manufacturer's name on your Rx bottle)?

     
    Old 12-01-2006, 05:29 PM   #10
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    Hey Jon, I just posted on another thread of her's (Long-term use...) that I found the med and I think it's only available in Canada. They are a blue pill and I think they are a IR Morphine, 10 mg (Morphine Statex). I told her she could use them to keep the wd's in check.

     
    Old 12-02-2006, 01:28 AM   #11
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    Dear Zuzu,

    As many have already stated, I just cannot believe what I am reading!! How can a physician leave you in such a lurch??

    As well, I don't know what to say or suggest because I'm sure you have searched and searched around your area to find help. This is ridiculous.

    I wish there was a way that our compassion for you could turn into a physician helping you immediately. We are with you, Zuzu, and I wholeheartedly believe that you will find the help you need.

    Please hang in there because help must be near.

    Sincerely,
    Jon (Conductor)

    P.S. What is the strength of your Morphine stuff? What is its exact name, strength, and manufacturer (sometimes it will say the manufacturer's name on your Rx bottle)?

    Okay, it says this: STATEX TABS 10MG BLUE MORPHINE SULFATE and the instructions say: Take 1 or 2 tablets every 4 hours as needed. I have about 25 of those left. Anyone have an idea of a therapeutic dose to minimize pain and mostly for the withdrawals?????

    And a note to all who have helped me with suggestions, advice, support, compassion and understanding---- a HUGE Thank-You!!!! It really has been the only bright spot this whole week. Since last wednesday when I found out my doctor went AWOL, it's been one thing after another, and I still don't know how I'm still (sort of) sane lol.

    And also to try and explain again, b/c I know how odd this all sounds....all I can really say is that I live in Canada, and U.S. and Cda. are much different with regards to many aspects of health care; not saying one's better than any other, just different.

    And to top that off, I live in a city of only 60,000 with even smaller values. This city truly is "the town that kept growing" in many aspects. We have a total of maybe 20 doctors here, for probably 150,000 total patients, and that's including specialists and surgeons and everything. Most specialists here are for seniors diseases (our senior ratio is the very highest in all of Canada) and seniors don't normally take narcotic drugs, so doctors here assume anyone "asking" for them HAVE to be junkies. It really is ignorance, but what can we do, right?

    There are only 2 rare doctors I know of here that will EVER prescribe some of these meds.....one is my doctor who took off lol, the other is a doctor who, no matter what the diagnosis or what you can PROVE to him, will only prescribe 2 Percocets a day for me (and even that, he always has told me to make them stretch to 1 a day.) So if I take 6 a day, the bottle he'd give me lasts 10 days MAX. And then I couldn't see him for 50 more days. The only time I've seen him was when my doctor takes all his time off/holidays.

    My doctor takes off: Every Friday, one whole week a month, about 4-5 days/month for surgery assisting, and at least a total of 3 months a year off for his "holidays." LOL I know, I know. He works Monday-Friday, only about 6 hour days, too, so to take another few weeks off every month is ridiculous. No wonder if he's been my primary pain doctor for almost 3 years and he's only in the office maybe 50% of the time, I've been so stressed out on a constant basis!!! I wonder now, looking back on this, how the hell I made it 3 years this way.....alwaays wondering if I'll have a way of getting medication I need to function even somewhat!!! Geez!

    So anyways, this is where I stand now: The other doctor I spoke of I made an appointment for Monday so I can get some at least. The pain today SOO VERY LUCKILY has been only mild-moderate and the Morphine so far is staving off most withdrawals. I can feel them still though, and it has made me pretty sick already. And the more days I take them, the sicker I'll get. But after Monday at least I'll have a few to buy more time with. Hopefully, if I only take 1/2 pill at a time and only take a full pill when I'm climbing the walls, they'll last until my doctor makes an appearance.

     
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    Re: At a major fork in the road.....so worried about tomorrow

    I can't believe the situation you are in either, Zuzu. Here is my best advice for you.
    1. Gather whatever doccuments you have at home that verify your medical condition.
    2. Go to your usual pharmacy and ask for a print out of your prescription history for the last 6 months.
    3. Take the two items above and go to the closest emergency room to your regular doctors office. The staff at that emergency room should know of your doctor and should be able to verify that he's out of town. Show them your prescription history and other doccumentation and ask them to cover your meds for you until your doctor is expected to return.
    4. Don't bring your kids with you, but do bring another adult who can help to advocate for you. And don't take any of the morphine before you go, you want them to see you in pain.
    5. If they refuse to help you ask to speak to the director of nursing. If that doesn't get you some action then ask for the medical director. If you still don't get the help you need tell them thank you anyway. Then explain that you are afraid of the medical consequences of abruptly withdrawing your pain meds, so you are just going to sit in their waiting room so that help will be nearby for you when the withdrawl starts, then go park yourself in their waiting room.
    6. The when all this is over, report your regular doctor to whatever agency licenses physicians in Canada for patient abandonment. In the US your doctor would be disciplined for leaving his practice unattended. I'm sure there must be some similar provision in Canada.

    Oh, and 5mg of Oxycodone (the narcotic in Endocet/Percocet) is roughly equal to 7.5mg of oral Morphine according to Lexicomp's Drug Information Handbook.

    Good Luck!

     
    Old 12-03-2006, 04:11 AM   #13
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    I am in the US so i am not sure if it is the same but i had the same situation but had nothing for withdrawls when i was writhing in pain soaked in sweat my DH took me to the er they actually took great care of me and gave me ivs with setatives to ease withdrawl pain they sent me home with enough meds to get me till my dr return. Do you have any ativan or valuum they are very helpful for the withdrawls i wouldnt take the morphine if it makes you sick. I would go to the er. here they cannot turn you away. They have to offer some form of help.
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    I've been thinking about you, Zuzu and wondering how you are doing? How about an update for us?

     
    Old 12-14-2006, 03:42 PM   #15
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    Hi ZuZu just checking in on you, the post just stopped coming so I am sure all of us want an update. Did your doctor ever come back? What did you end up doing? I kinda know how you feel, I have never had a doctor just up and leave but when I moved the new docs wouldn't give me what my others had. I ended up taking a 10 hour one way trip back once a month to get the help I needed until I found someone here to help. Hope all is better


    Smackliet--that is wonderful how the ER treated you. I had to go to the ER last month I think because I was having trouble getting my insurance to fill me meds, not the doctors. So I had been without anything for about 48 hours maybe a little more before I went. They looked at me like I was a drug addict. I explained my doctor told me to come and they could call him. They didn't care. I was in a stretcher in the hall for like 6 hours sitting up rocking back and forth from the pain and the withdrawel, and they finally gave me 2mg of morphine and then right before they discharged me they gave me 2mg more. Thats it. I was soooo mad. It was a waste of money, with the high doses of pain meds that I am on the morphine didn't even take the edge off. So there went a couple hundred down the drain.

    hope everyone is ok
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